I do apologize for that outburst earlier...

:3

conversation earlier about FreeBSD as a desktop

I use it for my desktop and my laptop

working great for most of my needs occasional software not built for BSD like some remote desktop software

anydesk works on freebsd and chrome remote desktop

FreeBSD is reaching past server only

You may have to select specific hardware in some cases

signal and telegram both work on FreeBSD for chat

obs works good for screen recording

I'm happier on FreeBSD desktop than I was full time on OSX or Windows

and poeple think you the man when you answer "FreeBSD" after asking what linux distro you use.

unless you have to use docker or some other linux only cruft :|

docker on debian on bhyve on freebsd just isn't quite as streamlined

I don't care about docker

think docker is really closer to freebsd jails

than bhyve would be to docker

podman in linuxulater could be not terrible

ixmpp: there's a lot more fucking around than you would expect

ixmpp: oi (;

every couple of weeks i am reminded that classful IP addresses are still a thing: bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=268976#c1

Title: 268976 – Traffic will not route across two bridges on the same /8

classless addressing has been 30 years now, that's 13 years since I started using / learning computers, and I still had to learn about them.

(personally, I blame cisco)

ifconfig has been like that forever on the bsd boxes

solaris, etc. too

(which is kinda bsdish...)

so what netmask should have been implicitly used?

265.255.255.0

yuripv, cpet, honestly, maybe just /32?

that would be less surprising than /8

nacelle: i am not forever years old, however

how long is forever?

paulf 64-bits?:)

Cidr non cidr

why not /32 if only address was specified?

yuripv: I think it would and most sense

s/and/make/

Morning all from Florida.

What Amazon ec2 instance type would be good for testing freebsd current builds on?

When I build with the current hardware I have access to at the moment a build takes about 2 hours.

make buildworld I mean.

Man src.conf look at ccache

And install ccache static

Then use -j higher than the recommended

And should be a bit faster

cpet: Cool. Found I can disable bluetooth and a few other things that I don't need on the test system.

Yes but make sure you update ports before you do make delete-old-..

I find -jX where X is 1.5x cores works best.

2.5

Think that’s what is actually the maths in the makefile

How does cURL know which CA file to use?

When I use the verbose flag it shows "CAfile: none and CApath: /etc/ssl/certs/"

but it's not actually loading all the CA in /etc/ssl/certs

use/local/etc/ssl

Most ports use local and don’t touch the system

Or you can use lsof to see what it’s actually loading

tuaris, AIUI curl uses libssl from core which uses --capath /etc/ssl/certs by default.

He would know if is ran lsof

curl runs very fast and is unlikely to be easy to catch while running by lsof.

That’s why you pipe it to a file or more

`troff someprogram` tells more ;-)

I think truss is the superior tool in this case: bsd.to/tWP0/raw

Title: tWP0

wrong command... hmmmm

Ah! I ment truss, yes

:-)

Kalten, What are three typo'd letters among friends? :-)

rwp :-) I am using that command toooo seldomly (lukily)

Lsof would show what files are opened as well

yes, but lsof you have to time right. truss runs from start to finish of the programm

lsof works excellently for daemons which run persistently and hold files open for a long time.

But curl opens, reads, closes, files in milliseconds. It would be hard to run lsof at just the right millisecond while curl was still active.

rwp: mostly, yes. And by far easier to handle

rwp: do strace / dtrace it is, then

You only. Wes to see. The files once ssl lives in one location all you need if it loads from base or local

meena, truss is trivial to run but dtrace is not so trivial and I have not mastered the dtrace skill.

rwp: dtruss is a truss like wrapper using dtrace underneath

It apparently dtrace needs some configuration to use: bsd.to/9Mhe/raw

Title: 9Mhe

dtrace needs to be run as root. On FreeBSD it'll work on the stock system, on Macs you need a csrutil command.

cracauer: I tried that, but had ca zero success, and so gave up in MacOS as actual OS, and just used it as Editor / Hypervisor

hello folks. i'm having some issues with an elantech touchpad and was hoping someone might be able to give me some insight

i've read the handbook and forums and tried probably to many things on the related topic

xinput registers 2 devices " ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad " and " CUST0001:00 04F3:30FA Mouse ". sysctl shows all the expected hw.psm.elantech things but none of these settings have any effect. i suspected the CUST device is what actually being used

i confirmed by disabling it with xinput so it seems like my touchpad is being seen as a generic mouse even though elantech device is detected

i'd really appreciate any help that could be offered. trying freebsd after years of linux. so far i love it but not being able to scroll is kind of a show stopper on this machine

meena: yeah, DTrace on macOS feels like an unwanted pet by now. Too bad, the tool knows some nifty tricks.

reppard: scroll ? Cli or x ?

it's a show stopper to press pgdn?

Prnt screen then pgup or pgdwn

khronos: what's the rush for buildworld? most people don't stand around waiting for it to finish

If you want to press your scroll button and have the cli or console scroll think that’s possible with syscons but not the uefi console

reppard: can you show how both are attached? (pastebin `devinfo -v`) not sure if i can really help, but could have an idea

cpet: scrolling in x

in any case the ".... Mouse" one is probably driven by hms(4), try blacklisting it

Have to map your keys in the configuration

yuripv: getting that dump now

pastebin: pastebin.com/AbNY2t3R

Title: nexus0 smbios0 efirtc0 cryptosoft0 aesni0 ram0 apic0 acpi0 - Pastebin.com

rtprio: yes it is. pretty sure most ppl are adapted to some kind of scroll mechanism

my keyboard is missing a few keys; i think you can adapt

both of my touchpad mechanical buttons are broken. i've adapted by using tap and two finger functions

reppard: tried input_mode sysctl in hconf(4) yet?

yuripv: nope but i'll give it a try

i can look into blacklisting as well. so long as i can figure out what to blacklist

i appreciate the suggestions

i thought that it's attached by 2 different hid drivers; looks like it's not, and only hms(4) is there (wonder why mouse driver is attaching though, may be that hconf setting would help)

sysctl dev.hconf.0.input_mode=1 < is this what you're suggesting?

man page says 3 for touchpad

ahh thanx

Google scrolling in x11 or xorg and it’ll show you what to add in and you just save it to xorg.d

no go on the input_pethod. xorg still tags it as a mouse

so yes, i wonder why hmt(4) is not attaching, however it should be here: unknown pnpinfo page=0x000d usage=0x0005 bus=0x18 vendor=0x04f3 product=0x30fa version=0x0002 _HID=CUST0001 at index=2

cpet: i've done that plenty. the config runs fine and xorg shows it applying the input options but its associated with "Elantech/.." and xorg ends up using "CUST:0001..."

Pciid

0x000d is "digiters", and "0x0005" subitem is "touchpad"

err, digitizers

reppard: you have hmt driver, right (/boot/kernel/hmt.ko)? not sure when it was introduced

lemme check

yeah i've got it

and verified its loaded

i'm not sure how to completely disable module loading other than temporarily moving it away from /boot/kernel/, try that for hms?

maybe hms_load="NO" in /etc/rc.conf?

_load go in loader.conf not rc.conf

it's autoloaded as a dependency, i don't think any loader.conf/rc.conf settings will help

i'm just wondering if it successfully attached hms on index 0 and stops there not even trying to attach hmt to index 2 for that device

(but hconf is there so i'm probably wrong)

i moved hmt and it results in CUST:0001* not being found or loaded

though now, i have no mouse/trackpad at all

:(

you mean hms, most likely; other than that, are there any errors from hmt in system log?

nothing

found a forum post that might provide some fruit

could you share a link?

Title: Solved - Making i2c ELAN touchpad work (ELAN0D07:00 04F3:3078 on A3511) | The FreeBSD Forums

slighly different model id, same vendor

same symptoms

Kld are based on pciid if it’s not in there won’t detect it even adding may still not make it work this is where you email the maintainer directly

Do it’s fixed and win win

which pkg do you have

pkg info|grep xf86

either xf86-input-libinput or xf86-input-synaptics depending on which possible solution i'm trying

i'm trying to stick with libinput as that seems to be the accepted wisdom

that doesnt answer my question

what ever works (TM)

sorry, i'm new in bsd world

sorry but in the BSD world sometimes you have to just accept that X doesnt work

can you clarify the question?

or learn how to addd in PCIIDs and recompile

that wasnt a question but a truth of using any BSD

i'm using xorg-7.7_3 if thats what you meant > < cpet> which pkg do you have

well you said I use x for something and y for something else

which didint answer my question as to which one you are using now

ahh i'm using libinput

tried synaptics ?

yup

is it seen as a USB device ?

if i try to force synaptics on that CUST:001 device it complains about the protocol

is this a VM ?

nothing in usbconfig that i can tell. not a vm, running on metal

what does dmesg say

as well as pciconf -lv

look for none*

if it says none next to it you may have to hack the driver or live with an external mouse

preferably msg me the listing I hate using those dumb pastebins

have to load x, then login just to view a paste

nothing in pciconf. just controllers and display

should show all the things as well as with usbcoinfig

i'm not opposed to patching and recompiling

which tells me its not being found

lemme try a different grep

normally touchpads are connected through USB so you can view them using usbconfig

but these days laptop are so software aware and no HW that it get weird

not in usbconfig. xinput shows it though

usiong libinput?

yeah

do you have moused running ?

no but i've tried starting it before

we;ll crap what does xinput list say ?

msging you output