how can i make sure pkg is using packages for my version of freebsd?

edit the repo and change the priority

where is that located?

in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf

url: "pkg+http://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/quarterly",

PRIORITY: integer Set the priority of the repository. Higher

values are preferred. Default: 0.

url: "pkg+http://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/quarterly",

change lucifer.conf to 10

and it will try to use lucifer.conf as much as it can and fall back to FreeBSD.conf

if you dont like cats well change it some something else

i think i installed packages for a newer version of freebsd and that broke the package

well thats on you

sometimes you learn the hard way

so my repro is "quarterly"

but how do i change it to 12.0?

${ABI} ist the 12.0 amd64 or the like

quaterly stands for how often to build the ports as packages for that release

so it is always grabbing packages for 12.0, then?

use `freebsd-update fetch; freebsd-update install; reboot` from time to time for the system (allthough 12.0 might be to old)

with ${ABI} it is

i have a custom kernel installed. won't that hose something?

custom curnal: than no freebsd-update mechanism

i think that'll make my system unbootable if i did freebsd-update install, right?

huch—don't know. Don't think so. But I think, 12.0 is too old anyway. I have an old 12.1 and it says:

WARNING: FreeBSD 12.1-RELEASE-p13 HAS PASSED ITS END-OF-LIFE DATE.

Any security issues discovered after Sun Jan 31 01:00:00 CET 2021

will not have been corrected.

i should update to 12.3?

I don't have mutch expirience with such updates.

ahh

what is the latest 12.x version?

looks like 12.3 and 12.4

freebsd.org states 12.4 and 13.1 are the latest releases (in the middle at the toü)

Title: The FreeBSD Project

and freebsd-update fetch will fetch the minor version?

oh, wait, that is just security packages

patches

`man freebsd-update`

it is `-r`

`freebsd-update -r 13.1 upgrade` could be it

not sure

yep

so i'd stasy on a minor version

but it looks like i'd have to copy the original kernel back

so the problem is that if i use the generic kernel, it's sound drivers conflict with oss

so i have a custom kernel to disable freebsd sound drivers so oss could load

OSS: what did you have to change? And by the way: a problem in 12.0 does not necesserely persist in 13.1

CCFL_Man: you have to run that around 6 times

first one updated the kernel second update world third just cause fourth just cause

i can't use 13.1 because i built a lot of software on 12.0, so i want to stick with the minor version

pkg's no good?

so i had to comment out the freebsd sound driver in the kernel source so it would not load at boot

i use a lot of software not im ports or the repro

such as?

gpsd, vlfrx-tools, ebnaut

There are no security updates for 12.0 and even 12.1 since a long time (for the latter since nearly two years)

wow

the gpsd package in freebsd does not support the hardware i use

earthworm too

States that no problem to your system

so much of my software would need to be rebuilt

and fetchmail would break too

yes—from time to time we tend to do that.

why would fetchmail break?

i updated it once and it stopped working. i had to revert back to the version i was using

because of which error? What did the logs state?

and this is why you dont build things by hand

(TM)

cpet: no, I don't think so. It has its merits in many ocasions. Many knobs are not default knobs and might be needed.

you can create a port and use poudriere

build for x OS and upgrade to y OS

instead of this situation

I am using poudriere, but I am setting many options to something that is not the default without necessarily creating a new port for that

think you are missing the point to what I said but thats ok im too lazy to continue this discussion

Kalten: i forget. i think it had trouble connecting or depreciated option

hi

damn, it is hard to use firefox-esr 102 :(

i had 92 and worked great but i had to upgrade because old version stopped working

after system upgrade :(

it looks like single process and single thread app lol

why firefox sucks so much on bsds?

try firefox not esr.

I do not have FreeBSD-specific issue with Firefox. Or, experience the similar issues on Rocky Linux 8, Windows 10

my firefox-est chokes even on mousehover bookmarks button in toolbar

yo9fah there is no firefox in pkg

yes, was, but isn't

Is your machine resource-starved?

my machine is 15 yo

it is grandtop :)

from the list of modern browsers only firefox is usable. 92 was fine.

102 animate every freakining ui element. This is issue as i see

Minimum resources I have is <8 GB RAM, Intel i5-6300U CPU, OS runs in VM on Windows; But then I just use Firefox for Windows to avoid switching between VirtualBox & other Windows windows

parv: i watch youtube video in firefox now and chat. 50% of memory usage.

wikan: there is also pkg with firefox. I have no problems with firefox either. I have with the rest of the browsers

chokes are firefox fault for sure. I watched cpu usage. When I moved mouse over bookmark -> 100% on moth cores

wikan: freshports.org/www/firefox

Title: FreshPorts -- www/firefox: Web browser based on the browser portion of Mozilla

maybe there is no firefox pkg on x86?

nope. checked. No firefox

Is it possible to somehow get the latest libc++ along with llvm-devel-16.0.d20230109? I instaled the compiler, but it complains about a missing source_location header which should be part of libc++ for that release

i suspect new database

I tried doing a pkg search for 'libc\+\+' but that doesn't give me any results, so any pointers to the name of the package would be really helpful :-)

seems to work bugzilla.mozilla.org/1352069

Title: 1352069 - Introduce a pref that allows for disabling animations (toolkit.cosmeticAnimations.enabled)

firefox stopped chocking

I now found a bug report from 2021 (bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=260139) saying that libc++ is tied to the freebsd release and as such cannot be updated as a seperate package. Is this still the case? And if so, I guess what I'm trying to do isn't possible until a new freebsd version is released based on libc++-16

Title: Invalid Bug ID

sum1

oops, wrong window

Hello

Any chance of libc++-16 making it into FreeBSD 14?

deva: I think we only just vendored 15. not sure if it's integrated yet

That's a shame. But thanks anyway :-)

I guess I will have to wait for FreeBSD 15 in 2024 then :-)

or use llvm-devel or whatever

I already tried llvm-devel, but libc++ does not seem to be part of the llvm-devel package

cgit.freebsd.org/src/log/contrib/llvm-project still at 14

meena, That seems like a really solid "no" answer to my question :-)

might still be time to get onto 15: freebsd.org/releases/14.0R/schedule but, yeah

Title: FreeBSD 14.0 Release Process | The FreeBSD Project

deva: what exactly do you mean by "getting libc++-16 into FreeBSD 14, though? As in update the code, or just get a compiler that's capable - because llvm15 is in ports/packages and is the full LLVM package, not the stripped down version in FreeBSDs base.

The ports/packages are, so far as I know, unmodified.

debdrup: reading the bugs, i don't think llvm from ports installs libc++, tho

debdrup, libc++ supplies the STL for the compiler and I have a project where I needs support for the std::source_location feature which was fixed in a recent clang build (clang++-16). I have access to the compiler through th llvm-devel package, but it seems that the libc++ is not included there. Instead it is using the older libc++ of the system which does not support std::source_location

On other systems it is possible to install llvm-16 separately from the system one, including libc++

deva: you might have to modify the port then, to include libc++, and see how badly that messes things up

No libc++ supplies the standard library STL != standard library (since it includes lots of things other than the original STL containers/iterators/algorithms)

cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/devel/llvm15/Makefile doesn't seem to mention excluding CXX

Title: Makefile « llvm15 « devel - ports - FreeBSD ports tree

you can try building llvm-project from source but it's often broken when I try to build it (looking at the llvm-devel patches may help)

One day I need to look to see how std::source_location is implemented

Ans std::stacktrace_entry when I do

I initially thought that std::source_location would just be a simple header-only implementation in the STL (ie. libc++), but this (reviews.llvm.org/D136554) shows that my thoughts couldn't be more wrong ;)

Title: Login

This is the github issue that tracks the task: llvm/llvm-project #56379

Title: std::source_location line number wrong when used as default argument value · Issue #56379 · llvm/llvm-project · GitHub

56379 – Patch: Update port java/jmp 0.33 -> 0.34. bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=56379

paulf, Building it would likely solve my issue, but I would rather wait and have official package support, so I don't have to manually build things on my CI VMs

Wait a while 16 should be imported soon

cpet, Do you mean clang-16 or libc++-16?

They are two separate things

Not sure why you need such a new version but people do weird things

yup - which is incredibly confusing X-)

Been like that for a very long time

I need a new feature from llvm/clang-16 (which hasn't been released yet, but is available through llvm-devel) but this again requires libc++-16, which has been released, but hasn't been adopted by freebsd yet

Well this is one of those sit and wait or hack it yourself

deva: add in With_clang_extras if you want to add a few hours to the build and build all the other crap

cpet, So it is a real possibility tha libc++ will actually be include with llvm-devel if compiled this way?

Look at pkg-plist look for Libc++

cpet, I don' see it here: github.com/freebsd/freebsd-ports/blob/main/devel/llvm-devel/pkg-plist so I guess that means that even with the With_clang_extras flag set it won't be included?

Title: freebsd-ports/pkg-plist at main · freebsd/freebsd-ports · GitHub

... and since that version of the file is on main, this is actually even for FreeBSD 14, right?

?

just build them. known way to shorten build time is via dropping other projects in llvm

deva: the source for ports are the same for all branches of FreeBSD. Just rebuilt.

I see this in a lot of (config) files: $FreeBSD$ what is that about?

idents that were previously expanded by cvs/svn, and are not expanded by git

Jbo old cvs ids

ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/lib/gcc11/libstdc++.so.6: version GLIBCXX_3.4.30 required by /projects/indie/indie/_build/tailwind-freebsd-x64 not found

anybody care to enlighten me a bit here? I vaguely understand but not properly

tailwind-freebsd-x64 is a custom nodejs +js archive squished on the end,

built on FreeBSD 13.1-RELEASE x64 with gcc12

and I'm running it on 14.0-CURRENT x64 also with gcc12 installed

is there something I can sprinkle to get it to please run anyway?

make install ?

;-)

Does it really require gcc

in my jail, `ldd` reports correctly gcc12

but on my desktop, libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/local/lib/gcc11/libstdc++.so.6 (0x2f5a55800000)

cpet: I'd love to be able to compile this nodejs abomination statically and not need this c++ dependency

its already ~ 50MiB download, so adding another one will make no difference

but I don't know where to start with this custom nodejs build malarkey

Edit the makefile and add the flag

Just remember that doing so would require a manual port each time

Thinks it’s -static

For gcc

cpet: you assume there's just *one* Makefile here ...

anyway yes good idea I will give this a whirl

Port makefile if it’s compiled manually you’re on your own

dch: i think the hint is in version GLIBCXX_3.4.30 required

cpet: its not (yet) a port, if I can find a way to do it statically I might do that

meena: I have gcc12 here, why isn't it picking that up?

You have to set the env

CXX and Cc

i.e. by what mechanism does a random exe decide what libraries it chooses at runtime?

Says it in the after instal descr

FreeBSD defaults to clang

Either you make it work with gcc or it uses clang

hmm if I can pass these via LDFLAGS or similar that would be great`-Wl,-rpath=/usr/local/lib/gcc12 -static`

Can't just use libmap.conf?

Yes you can do that with configure cmaks ninja

Why does it require gcc is the real question

Plenty of things in ports do.

dch: maybe on 14.0 something causes the library to encode no, or a different version.

meena: well it's explicitly *built* on 13.1-RELEASE, with gcc12

dch: what did readelf / elfdump say about the library? oh

clearly I don't know what I don't know yet

wat

Create port as your doing it makes it a lot easier

Uses and the like

Or use

Use_gcc modes all the env magic

cpet: I'm pretty, and sure, that dch being a ports committer has probably done exactly that

He said not yet so

not yet, porting this stuff is horrible.... if I can make it static, then I can probaly port it

See

Read before you speak

i can't read tho

dch does /usr/local/lib/gcc12 -static include dynamic libraries?

seems strange to me

Guess then

Hi. Why do I have constantly (6 candidates) showing when running pkg upgrade?

As do I never cared to figure out why

If pkg upgrade doesn’t show anything I’m hoping bapt did his job right ?

mmm, libmap

cpet: what is this reading you speak of?

kodcode: what does that look like?

meena: bsd.to/Uny0

Title: dpaste/Uny0 (Plain Text)

debdrup: was it directed to you ?

kodcode: how macht repos do u have enabled?

*many

If done right that shouldn’t matter

That's a big if.

*or

typing (or, swyping, as it may be) isn't working great today

Have you tried having 3 or more repos ?

meena: bsd.to/nEJY - haven't added any /usr/local/etc/pkg/...

Title: dpaste/nEJY (Plain Text)

cpet: I have at most three. FreeBSD latest, my PkgBase repo, and one for my net/cloud-init-devel builds

If priorities set properly and you don’t have repos which are the full ports never has an issue

kodcode: I'd guess that it's the number of packages you installed explicitly and not the auto-dependencies

Mmn, I sometimes have similar. Sometimes it's 0, sometimes it's 1, sometimes it's 2, for me

so I don't think it's that.

yuripv: My guess is that there are way more than 6...

12

github.com/freebsd/pkg/blob/e32e8a3…4f609d5d94c/libpkg/pkg_jobs.c#L1624 it's duplication checking

Title: pkg/pkg_jobs.c at e32e8a35ef3e601bae6248bfa64ea4f609d5d94c · freebsd/pkg · GitHub

Looks like all the iflib drivers have been converted to ifAPI.

ifAPI is what drvapi turned into, and it dates back to here: lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arch/2014-May/015379.html

Title: Roadmap for ifnet(9) for FreeBSD 11

debdrup: still pending: ElseAPI.

meena: ha!

debdrup: this joke is stolen from jrtc27

ah

it's very good nonetheless

PL/I joke: if then = else then else = if else if = then;

jokeness: 10%

(So what if it's an iffy joke?)

if else = then

for in else if

V_PauAmma_V: i… hate it

keywords were invented because C programmers can't stand PL/I jokes

I never looked at the parser part of a PL/I compiler. (I value what's left of my sanity.)

V_PauAmma_V: I once tried to contribute to a PL/I frontend for gcc

which, i guess is my way of saying, i do not value my sanity

not much progress in the past ten years, eh? sourceforge.net/projects/pl1gcc

Title: PL/I front-end for GCC download | SourceForge.net

hi all

adilix: hey :)

Should I apply for the git

Hi guys. Can anyone point in the right direction wrt multiple routing tables on freebsd?

defaultrouter and staticroute

NuxRo: that depends on what tooling you're using, I guess

Normally you would use carp or something if using this setup as a backup

meena, cpet , I've just finished doing the same on some Linuxes, with multiple routing tables and ip route and ip rule. Looking at the FreeBSD docs I could find there's a way via pf/ipfw or via something called "setfib".

so basically I want each of the 2 NICs to have their own default gw, with their respective traffic coming/going on the same nic

I guess most of that still applies in 2023

Read man rc.conf

From 2011 ?

NuxRo, what problem are you trying to solve with separate routing tables for each network interface?

Should be able to use carp if it’s for backups purposes

V_PauAmma_V, requirement from customer, traffic coming in em0 should go out em0, same for em1, don't know more than this.

Title: Solved - FIB and route | The FreeBSD Forums

Is how you use setfib

cheers guys

yeah, carp wont help, is solution to different problem (seems similar to vrrp)

Uh well people do weird shit (TM)

lol

Can I get host, nslookup or dig to give me *just* the text in a TXT record? I know I could `host -t txt google.com | cut -d\" -f2` or `host -t txt google.com | awk -F\" '$2~/^v=spf1/{print $2}'` but those are a bit ugly...

Ah, `dig +short -t txt google.com`

The old-school traditionalist in me sees that and would have written it as: dig google.com txt +short

Also host does not seem so bad: host -t txt google.com | awk -F'"' '/text/{print$2}'

If you just want the version spf1 record: host -t txt google.com | awk -F'"' '/ text "v=spf1/{print$2}'