shbrngdo: i have compiled my updates since i started using FreeBSD, the only time I use poudriere are for port build and even so small edits don't need a full blown poudriere setup as the internal ports testing is enough

and I will probably continue to do it even more now, I have a build script that bsically just says Compiling kernel: done Compiling world: Done would you like to install the kernel and world [yY/nN] ehich can be bypassed by adding a .dontbitch heh

cause I really dont need to see all the build magic

vkarlsen - here were a couple of machines like that, had to toggle a boot address then load the tape and hit the button. things like that

The PDP-11/34 had a better system though. Data General Eclipse needed the toggle

the PDP was a simple system

ack - 11/34 had a ROM-based loader and a keypad where you could examine RAM. OInly toyed with it, usually just type in command on console to boot it

my freebsd system runs like a champ once you add in X it crashes every 2 days

video driver probably. some nvidia xfree86 style drivers leak like sieves

NV will not fix for older hardware probably

they shouild open source the old stuff

my AMD works like a champ

my i915 intel device does not

ouh - I have never had trouble with intel vid - maybe use VESA see if that fixes it or look for bad HW

this is a 2025 CPU

i expect issues

the device has a manu date of 11:30:2025 heh

ok driver not up-to-date then. someone's gonna want your crash dumps

its up to date based on the latest drm from ports

the only interesting thing is the driver wants tigerlake firmare when the CPU is alderlake

so I may test it and remove the tigerlake stuff

now I dont know wtf the guc and tuc stuff is but

i dont think alderlake should want tigerlake tuc/guc stuff

well I'd guess drivers are gonna be up to a year behind bleeding edge - is it a closed BLOB or all source?

intel doesnt have blobs lik nvidia

kinda wish I went with the ryzen as i have never had issues with amdgpu

my desktop has ran with uptime of 90+ days with X running with no issues

ok so can be troubleshot. Linux driver compare miht malsop reveal something [probably have shared code between them]. Is it Xorg or that newer fork - they use differing ABI's, just szayin'

but this is a gen 14 CPU so i dont expect it to run "yet"

i havent used wayland with it yet

I wouldn't bother.

dont think we have a choice

think the gfx world is Linux based or else we would still be using our own drivers vs ported linuxkpi stuffs

Xorg has a fork now, just may not be in ports. I'll resist W like I have systemd, pulse audio, and anything "Poettering" on Linux

cracking sounds kill pule sound works fine (TM)

heh

Xlibre - theregister.com/2025/06/10/xlibre_new_xorg_fork

yeah saw that

thats not in ports

and I dont think it would fix my intel issue

If NV and AMD cannot keep their drivers up to date with X I'll stick with hardware that CAN.

the issues lies with drm\* not X itself

My work relies on use of the 'DISPLAY' variable

latest is 6.9 while the latest kernel is 6.18

so it lagging a lot :P

but i dont expect a gen 14 CPU to be 100% useful

Xlibre has a different ABI so the drivers need to be recompiled BUT should work with minimal adjustments... probably

most linux distro default to Wayland as thats the norm

I deliberately exclude that option. W drives me to religious warfare heh

like using Devuan for Linux boxnen and VMs. There was an attempt to have DreeBSD on Debian a while back though. Wish it would have happened!

I wasnt happy when freebsd decided to remove drm and make it a port

as thats just makes it harder for average joe to un X and a desktop

something I like about openbsd

well... drm is a "slap on" when you look at how X evolved... but lots of things are ports-only now, including bind and perl (and gcc)

whats the pint in gcc when you have clang ?

a .000001% speed increase doesn't sppeal to me

15 warns you that the psm driver is depracated - supposed to use that other thing now [but xorg-server is not hauling it in as an auto dependency - oops]

i have a USB mouse

so thats not a problem

and shouldnt be for most people

it uses USB mice also - supposed to help with hot-plugging if yiou also use a tablet

yeap im sure that would piss off the people who still use a 90's era PC

i have a recent MSI mother baord with a PS/2 dual port

evdev - that's the one - replaces functionality of moused and psm

not sure why though

bios says I have a com port as well

PS2 still needed for older KVMs and a lot of people [prefer PS2 KB performance, like ganers

but not sure how to actually use it if there is no DB9 port

my dual-port boards do not sdeem to work with my KVM switch though. I probably need to rrplace it. That means running cavles... bleah

I bought a splitter cable, mouse+KB female to singlwe 'dual port' male

i had a blackbox KVM

works except with the KVM, so I end up using PS/2 to USB

however the IPKVM are exp as hell

most people like to use the most recent stuff i am more of "if it works leave it alone"

so i still run plasmas with x11

I found a cheap 8-port online with cables, just need to get it. Next year. but is HDMI not VGA so may have to adapt one machine that does not have HDMI [it's not that old, had winders 10 on it, but not 11 compat]

:(

also it only has USB but that means 2 easier-to-deasl-with cables to 8 machines (not 4). Netter.

my be another test to try and see if xfce4 runs better

plasma = dpsce heater ha ha ha

space heater

i stopped liking gnome after version 3

and I was a fan of E and even manage to create a mailing list and group for it

but they release so many releases that it makes it hard to keep up

oh another thing I noticed, seems sendmail might be on its eay out, allegedly being replaced with dragonfly mail (go fig). My imap setup still needs updating to newest sendmail, gonna work on that next.

thats been a thing for a long time

we dont need a full blown mail MTA

shit the only reason for that is to have crontab be sent to us

when we can get rid of it by adding all that to a log file

mate is a lot like 2, and cinnamon uses gtk 3 but also similar. Personally, as long as I can nuke 'Adwaita' from high orbit I'm fine with any gnome-like environment that does not force too wide of spacing between things (like gnome 3 panel)

ive grown to like my 2 options

xfce4 for low end HW KDE for higher end

anything named after a breakfast meal doesnt appeal to me

I liked KDE until it got all MS Metro "2D FLATTY" especially window decorations. 'TraditionalOK' is what I typically use.

i like it cause its the most complete WM

i instal it and I have the most basic shit installed

while most others i need to customize

the fact that it looks or resembles windows means nothing to me

it was like MS, Google, Gnome, KDE, and everyone else who'd never worled in console-only mode suddenly "felt" like the display ought to look like a 4 inch phone screen... with hideous color combos that blind you and too much white space

its an irritation that no amount of hydrocortisone can stop... the 2D FLATTY vs 3D Skeuomorphic.

thats some deep shit man

hah

fortunately in the OSS world we support thingass like TraditionalOK and so on. I have not had time but want to re-write a webkit-based browser that uses an early-2000's looking menu+yab system instead of hamburger menu

thats like going to FTX with only the bare minimal essentials

i wish netsurf was still a thing

Komqueror used to be nice. I thought it did a great job of doin the minimum

if it runs the web and bare minimal youtube support

im in

shitbook, instashit, and all that other crap i dont care about

youtube likes kto break older browsers. I don't know why the target has to remain moving like that...

but i need my youtubes ;/

I hang out on X and use grok a lot. Grok saved me a few hours getting my system up in a VM

the AI shit from that asshat musk ?

its knowledge of FreeBSD and Linux rival the ents

sometimes it's wrong but so far it leads me in the right general direction

google does that for me

despite the hate here

let me ask on IRC and wait a day when I can search google

google is too slow. too much tasil chassing on clickorama 'circular links'

yes google is slow if you are on a 56k modem

I'd actually tell someone who's being too much of a n00b [not researching] to post on grok.com and save the output. write your own manual to RTFM, heh

back in the early 90's thats all you got when you asked

RTFM

it's not bandwidth slow - it's "getting to the answer" sllow

shbrngdo: you need help with X RTFM

shbrngdo: you need help compiling freebsd RTFM

now you say that people get upset

or call you handicapped

heh

heh, not that bad I hope, or IRC channels like this stiop being relevant

librechat stop being relvalnent when you have topic whores

asking you to goto #freebsd #x11 #help #$@

in theory being old and foggy vision and using a cane would qualify

i have a 1100 page VA medical file

i think that qualifies more

heh

seriously though lemme give you a gok I did...

i think we are the only ones here drinking beer

there is no other person that has as shity tpying as me

:p

this - solved a specific problem with rsync in vbox - x.com/i/grok/share/N2ECsTrJH5F1hrEaWwJB4ogjd

isnt that that AI shit?

i spent a day trying to block as many bots i could

next day I had the same shit but different IP's

gave up

now i just add in a regex with a block to my web server and it give 500 responces back

yeah, but I use a fun trick with these things. 1) create a guest-level user, 2 allow ssh from the login I use with Xorg, 3) set up a shell script that invokes the browser in the context of that user using DISPLAY (yet another reason not to use W), and then it logs in to a different user, runs the invasive web page, and maybe dumps history on the way out, all in the context of guest user

I do that for slack, X, and web sites where I must enable script. noscript for everything else

i just dont use that crap

its been what 3 years and X is still named as X formerlly twitter ?

no choice for me - need slack for work, and bill paying needs script

never used slack

i remeber when I was still in and they wanted me to use that secure messaging shit and I refused

which made my squad leader to manayly send me SMS messages

heh

but anyway the value here is that you have a history of all of your grok analyses. I clean it out once in a while, keep relevnt ones. Sometimes saves hours of brain-numbing circle-clicking

i dont want a history of anything I say

yeag true grok.com does not save it if you use anonymously

this is why I pretty much refuse any sign ups from any services that isnt deemed necesary

ack - same here - and the corollary, always go through privacy settings and disable all of it

i really wish that more sites used or offered yubikey auth

and I like that the VA id.me does

and from a sandboxed login, which in FBSD and Linuc you can clone as different login home directories easily enough.

VA - and Social Security and Medicare too.

yeah used to be just there ow auth

which I forgot my 32 char password and I had to get a letter sent with a new pass key

then they added id.me

never had to do it

too much identy theft. At least there's no captchas, or if there were I forgot [now that I saved their cookies]

i havent had that much scams from the VA

oh yeah is id.me the same asd the gummint ID site? One login or somethibng

login.gov is another

you need that to access usejobs.gov

that's the one. I had to sign up through that, then it's doen.

have not dealt with VA but technically is an option if I ever needed it. Unlikely now.

i goto the VA atleast once a week

hopefully you are getting proper med care there.

as long as its not mental health related the VA isnt bad

i was bitten by a dog at the park and went ot the VA and was taken care of paid nothing

the issue is mental health that shit is so fucked it aint funny

I'm in a Navy town (San Diego), could probably do that if I ever needed to.

im in a seabee town Gulfport/MS

evening.

i live about 15 mins to the Navy base and about 20 to Keesler

ack - Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most

lost mind

heh after 11PM Now. surprise. I still gotta fix sendmail on the new server

i started using opensmtd for years now

getting email to work is 1 line

getting smtps auth is 2 lines

anyway if I wee coaching someone on a difficult probelem I'd probably type it into gerok, then paste a link to the answer

an getting dovecot and imap is about 6 lines

cpet: sounds like Perl

nothing against sendmail

but m4 is not fun to play with

I'm using cyrus. Reasons, mopst f them to keep me familiar with enterprise-like solutions

most of my time ive used exim

i do not like psotfix

my ISP forwards to my server, ehich then receives it (sendmail), then routes to cyrus, which also has secure MAP my old tablet can use when out of home-office.

these days with as much hassle it is to setup you own mail server

i dont bother any more

i just use proton

I've toyed with exim , that's about it [being the (old?) goto nailer for Debian derivatives for a long time]

you have to deal with DKIM, SPF, DMARC

and whatever crap big blue decieds to add in later

shbrngdo: you cant be that old

SPF is the important one, not too hard. ISP has instructions even for proplr who manage their own domains

people I mean

cpet: none of those are really a problem. it's the rabid anti-spam measures that waste a ton of time

it is if your IPs are classified of residential IPs

then all that doesnt matter as it all aut send to spam

I wouldn't mind the old RBL blacklists but I guess things move around too rapidly so nobody supports those

and proton does a decent job

i could setup a mail server on a VPS

but thats over kill

not long ago, I had to once again deal with some retard blacklister who decided to blacklist IP ranges based on AS links. in practice they had blacklisted an entire fucking A-class of IPs in one swoop.

you would think that having a biz line and a /29 you would be exempted

but nope

I'm hosting 4 email domains on my (home) server with postfix, backed by postgresql, with dkim, spf and dmarc, really simple

yeah nope

i condem doing any DB with email

if its not a enteprise with 5000 emails

fuck f ill setup a DB with my email systen

well domain handling for official web site is s rent-a-vm from opalstack, then FBSD with a /28 block from AT&T [which just got a bit more expensive last month]

fuck ATT

is all i can ay hah

i have sparklight

and I have yet to have any issues after 3+ years

ATT was breahed i think a few years ago and I wish it utter death

not only thst there infrature is utter shit

the ISP has mostly unlimited SMTP outgoing so I send everything through that, then SPF reecords on DNS includde it.

cpet, 100+ aliases

I guess it's a /29 block - 4 or 5 uisable addresses

running only an inbound MX server is very simple and painless, but outgoing SMTP is a nightmare these days

i like to setup email the old school way as in you login and tye in mail i dont care about imap and all that

true, easier to just forward it and make sure SPF stays up to date

hoever when your ISP has you whole block as residential and email auto sends to spam

there reay is no point is setting it up

SPF eliminates a lot of that need

simple things like moving the server to another location, IP address changes? well, you're not getting a single mail through to any microsoft managed address for the next few days to few weeks because they default to assumption that IP change = server hacked

most ISPs publish SPF you can include

ack - and instructions to make it easier for noobs

it doesn't also make diddly squat difference if you have SPF, DKIM, MARC etc all configured precisely correctly

now I have been paying for proton for years now and it include 3 hosted domains

so i just use that

one fairly large german mail domain refuses to take in any mail that comes from a server which' PTR record doesn't match A record + helo

oh ok - yeah that's opften simple. opalstack is lower level, but it uses a reasonable web interface and hosts linux vm's and dedicated for [I assume] reasonable pricwes.

i use contabo

i dont use any us based services as there resource to price ratio is utter shit

Koston - yeash they need to fix that - the HELO I mean. I don't blame the ISP in Germany

this is why I stpped doing my own email

spam should be done by the end user not the server

if you dont like spammer guy spamming you use procmail to kill it

it's still fun to play around with. I actually set up a system to snd mail through a local business connection some time ag - mailing daily spreadsheets to a customer. perl script and shell.

thats a direct connection to the same client

wont cause any issues

it's running on a Raspberry Pi behiond a firewall appliance at a customer's office.

sending email to microsoft or gmail

well they expect all that shit configured

and "properly"

it can be tricky. Fortunately Perl modules are up to date on that

the issue lies when you use gov stuff

I haven't yet dealt with OOTP though.

i have sent emails to the VA and it never getting sent due to filters and such

er, TOTP

cpet - yeah that is irritating.

cpet: favourite from few years ago, gmail stopped accepting mail after switching outbound smtp to a new IP. which was also hosted in GCP. best the gmail support could say was "fix your outgoing server" (which was perfect all along) and then mused "maybe it's some spam prevention but we can't tell you any more about it"

but to be fair looking at my history the idiots at the VA have called me and emailed me using the wrong contact info on more occations i can count

the only google service I use is youtube

after 11:30 - I should work on sendmail [was procrastinating]. later. my server is nesrly up, mail is the last step I think other than HD swap + test/re-config

mail is easy with sendmail on freebsd

cpet: google has become cancer

just read the Makefile

despite peope hate toward sendmail sendmail is still a powerful mail server

Koston: yeap nice to see thay had the same fate as MS did in the early 90 as a monopoly

cpet: my thoughts exactly

Koston: howeber I cant ay anything bad about bill gates as he has donated probaly more of his wealth than any other tech person

how many could've?

a few actually donae others dont

now donations are tax write ups

so theres a good and a bad to everything

can't operate a business in the US anyway without annually donating to some or other charity

same goes for secueity

as fare as I know there is no limit to that

so a company can donate a buck and still be valid

but people dont realize most donations are tax write ups

they double as that, but much more important reason is the american culture expecting businesses to donate to charity

somehow, you can run the most hawkish underhanded business known to man but as long as you make annual donations you're good

similar thing to giving tip for waiters in restaurants. you can refuse to tip, but that's generally a terrible idea

i tip if you trest me well

if not i dont bother

if that makes me an ass well

im an ass then :P

I tip or don't depending almost entirely where I'm at

in finland? almost never tip. in thailand? always tip.

there was a restaurant in GA that had a message on the menu we auto add a 15% tip

i dont like american beer so I asked for a guiness

anyone knows that pouring guiness takes a bout 5 minutes and it pours bottom up

i got mine in less than a 1 with 90% foam

i asked for a new one

i was charge for two i said im not paying for foeam

er foam

bill came i disputed they took it off

what pissed me off was the auto 15% tip

i paid and then I charged it back at my bank as shity service and not what i asked for

afer about 2 months i got my money back

i miss the no-tip culture

as yes the person who called me a jackass for trying to help him

hello

i apologize

there still is a no tip culture

you just have to fight for it a bit

and if you have a amex card that shit is gold

i meant in places like france

as they have a procedure that if you dont receive the service you asked for you get a refund for it

bill comes, pay, leave

well the US is garbage compares to most if not all .eu

heh

it is :|

and if you look at the politics

well :(

seems like my issue was resolved with bastille

this is nice

with a freshly installed freebsd 15.0 to upgrade/patch is it still freebsd-update that should be use or is it pkg update/upgrade? I guess freebsd-update will be removed in newer releases? or?

nwe: freebsd-update will be removed in 16.0 as it is now (effectively) deprecated

16.0 will be released in 2 years, 15.x will continue about a year after than

that*

so you will have approx 3 years before mandatory pkgbase

as for how to update a freshly installed 15.0, it depends whether you choose pkgbase or not in the installer, if you did then you use pkg, if you didn't then you use freebsd-update

freebsd-update will not run if it detects pkgbase as it will destroy your system

(or so I heard)

iirc you can check pkgbase by grep -i freebsd-base /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf

speaking of pkgbase how does that cope with __FreeBSD_version?

Can __FreeBSD_version affect more than one package? If so does that mean that they always get updated atomically?

polarian: on this newly re-installed I choose pkgbase, but Im not really follow when upgrading with pkg is it like pkg upgrade -r <release> ?

polarian: I have it in FreeBSD.conf... pastebin.com/ijTbFiQx but why is it no enabled when I during installation choose "PKGBASE" (new way) :)

nwe: afaik pkg upgrade will do it

or you have use -r flag to specify the repository of FreeBSD-base

its like on Linux

nwe: unsure, if you uncomment it I dont think there would be any harm

polarian: okey so pkg upgrade will replace both freebsd-update fetch /upgrade?

freebsd-update is completely redundant and wont work on a pkgbase system

as its delta updates

so later on its only pkg update for both package and "base" system ?

Maybe the question already has been asked, but how does this work when upgrading from 14.3? Do you also get the choice, or does this require lots of (manual) work afterwards?

nwe: yes

there is discussions on whether there should be separation but right now afaik

they will be updated togerther

Afterglow: you update as usual, using freebsd-update, and then you use pkgbasify which is a script to convert from delta to package

then for now on you will use pkg upgrade instead of freebsd-update

thanks polarian, clear answer

that has all the corresponding information you might nee d

Afterglow: as for installation bsdinstall will ask you within 15.x whether you would like pkgbase or delta updates

this will be removed in 16.0

although someone said recently that theres plans to make this reversible?

I have also heard talk about an inverse script (depkgbasify) to convert back to a distribution set system...

^^^ this would be useful for those who want to update from srdc

src*

First line of the github page: "Both the pkgbasify tool and pkgbase itself are experimental"... I'll wait a bit then. Thx for the info though

Afterglow: its meant to be stable in 15.0 :0

:)

or so I heard

polarian: a stupid question, do you still use freebsd-update or pkg upgrade -r <release> etc? sound like the easiest way it to re-install the computer then run a convert-script..

nwe: I update from src as I hate pkgbase :)

but if I wasn't I would still use freebsd-update, its slow but it works

polarian: with make buildworld/kernel installkernel/world?

and also there is freebsd-rustdate in ports

nwe: yeah

I check you checked out stable/15 first :) or are you living on the edge and running CURRENT?

whats that freebsd-rustdate?

an implementation of freebsd-update in rust, as that is faster then the sh monster freebsd-update

i wonder if i should rewrite it in c

why would you throw away memory safety?

polarian: feels that it´s easier with the old way then :) in /usr/src

nimaje1, Rustland is a cult

cyric: works for me now.

there are more memory safe languages, lua would be an option if you want something in the base system, but ports have others like pascal, java, python, …

Rust is just a quite nice language, so I can understand that people want to use it.

I love how you'll find some app you want written in Rust. . . the README.md on the git repo says to use the 'cargo install <foo>' "package manager."

It creates a ~/.cargo/bin/foo file. .

Then you go to #rust and ask if there's a way to specify the destination and they first thing they tell you is "It's not a package manager!"

dvl: you mean pkg update? just checked, works for me as well

cyric: I refered to: ] <cyric> Ugh, is it just me? pkg: Failed to fetch pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/quarterly/meta.conf: Unknown error

dvl: so it didn't work for you as well back then?

cyric: I didn't try when you said. I was AFK then.

dvl: ah ok, wonder what the issue was (local or not)

cyric: All I tried was `fetch URL`

CrtxReavr: You can use --root <dir to install bins to> for that.

nwe: I am on origin/releng/15.0

aka RELEASE

I'm pretty sure cargo stands for cargo-culting and is meant as a warning that you shouldn't use it, no idea if there is a good build system for rust, but using rustc directly in a Makefile works ok-ish

nimaje1: cause rust is shit

MelMalik: +1

erk, I could also just manually create /usr/opt/bin/, add it to the system path, and toss it in there.

CrtxReavr: I meant cargo install --root /usr/opt/bin will do that for you, but yeah there is more than one way to do it.

erk, you realize cargo(1) makes no mention of that switch.

CrtxReavr: Yeah a bit odd, it is listed as one of the first things on `cargo help install`

LOL, termbin is apprently blocked here, I guess it was used to host malware or something.

Imo the 5 point list in that man page is quite clear.

After upgrading to 15.0-RELEASE I get the following: WARNING: sysctl vfs.zfs.min_auto_ashift is deprecated. Use vfs.zfs.vdev.min_auto_ashift instead.

Also as a jail spins up I see a note that bge0 is deprecated

mariuss: You're probably setting that in /etc/sysctl.conf. I know I was.

vkarlsen: indeed. Thanks for the hint!

polarian: okey, I think I will do the old way rebuild rebuild kernel and world.. all the tools confusing me, freebsd-update/freebsd-version and pkg etc :D

polarian: polarian

nwe: up to you

freebsd-update is simples

freebsd-update -r 15.0-RELEASE upgrade

reboot

freebsd-update install

reboot

done

and if you are pkgbasified then pkg upgrade

(uncomment FreeBSD-base from /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf if it exists)

polarian: hehe yeah :) I tink I will go with /usr/src :).

nwe: im a little reluctant to use pkgbase yet so src for me as well

cpet :)

lol

if in doubt, build from src :p

polarian: you can also build your own packages for pkgbase after successful build

mzar: yeahhh no.

f*ck pkgbase

:-/

why?

I have already aired my views on pkgbase literally everywhere, pointless me redoing it for the 50th

time*

plus I might get banned if I dont shhhhh :p

I will give it a try, at some point

Do thumb drives not have smart?

polarian: :p

Macer: they have

which problem did they try to solved when chaning from freebsd-update/fetch to use pkgbase ?

now it´s feels more confusing which tool we should use :P depending the first installation method you did :P and also use a lua-script to convert to pkgbase.. what I like with openbsd is their sysupgrade and syspatch really smooth :P

Macer: actually these USB sticks don't have it, at a glance I read it wrong

Yeah. Mine don’t seem to work.

I guess the ones with smart are actually SSDs with a usb interface.

Like a corsair gtx

No trim support either it seems.

nwe: speed

freebsd-update is slow

and binary patching is always going to be slow

binary patching has the benefit of small sizes, but in the mdoern day when bandwidth is more abundant downloading a gigabyte of packages to update is a non-issue for most

I completely disagree with it though

freebsd-update does binary patching? I thought it was a rip and replace with patching text?

yes, when you compare to make install{kernel,world} then frustrated is crawling

s/frustrated/freebsd-update

skered: afaik its binary patching

I haven't read all the src so I am not 100% how it works

0/36

polarian: I guess so. bspatch.

haha

bullshit patch

hahaha

and bullshit diff

hahahaa

im sorry... I dont know why I found it so funny

polarian, it's not necessarily bad, just its community is a cult

MelMalik: I dislike the lang :p

not just because its community is a bunch of toxic teenagers

usually soydev webdevs anyways

I think its a language which tries to do everything, and does nothing well

its low level, but then its not, its high level but then it snot

its memory safe, but then its not as you need to use unsafe for low level

there's better ways to express «soydev» w/o falling to toxic rightist stereotypes

for a neutral descriptor of the typical meaning, you might try «framework-using web dev»; a pejorative might be «framework addict».

has anyone experience the open termainl failed: not a terminal error when they perform a tmux a on a remote server?

i am currently trying to connect to my server, which has running tmux sessions, and when i try to do a tmux a i get an error open terminal failed: not a terminal.. never saw this before..

yeah, your client and server versions are mismatched. it was in the changelog, and the pkg message.

uhh

i am still on 14.3

that is very odd

version of tmux, not freebsd.

errr, that is what i get for not paying attention

i do not recall but if you say, i will run with it :)

check 'pkg info -D tmux' on that host.

voy4g3r2, Are you connecting to it over ssh and forgot to include the -t option?

the terminal error is a red herring. the problem is very likely the update

Although I appreciate the high reliability of FreeBSD and the ability to achieve high uptime sometimes it is still a good idea to reboot the system.

or you could just wait that nothing important is running anymore and then pkill tmux and go from there

rwp: i tried that option and did not work

ridcully: it looks like that will have to be the way.. even though i got some stuff

we shall see if my python code can handle the abrupt stoppage.. which it should

well it is all fixed and even killed the wrong tmux in the process :)

thank you

and look at that my python program detected the down LLM embedding model and restarted flawlessly

sweet!

ibb.co/album/z8Qzf9 <-- i made a philly. theoretically.