rwp: iirc ntpd opens a port, as well, cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/libexec/rc/rc.conf#n408

Title: rc.conf « rc « libexec - src - FreeBSD source tree

I am not sure which detail from that file you wanted to call my attention to. I'll need to buy a clue? Thanks.

By default ntpd is peer-to-peer in that it will share time by default. That's usually desirable. So it will normally open UDP port 119.

On a large machine collection site I recommend selection three stable well connected systems and having them peer time among themselves and pool from the outside Internet WAN.

Then have all other systems on that site use those three LAN systems to serve time to the LAN.

aiui ntpdate is used to consume ntp, and ntpd can serve and consume ntp?

The LAN will have low latency and jitter and then all LAN systems will have a good common shared time base. And the global servers never see too large of a load on them.

Yes. Local ntpdate would connect to a remote ntpd to sync the time.

And ntpd is peer-to-peer with other ntpd. And other time daemon programs implementing NTP too.

i wonder if you know how people whom use i3/awesome/qtile/icewm may change mouse cursor.

i have tried via Xresources, gtk2 and gtk3 config - only firefox use my cursor theme

do you xrdb your .Xresources?

(I do remember issues with i3 and mouse cursor in the root window, don't remember the solution though)

as i said i have tried

xrdb -merge didn't do anything after relogin

Xcursor.theme: VS11

xrdb -merge is in xinitrc

I use i3 and the mouse cursor is chosen by the window with focus. That is, XTerm gives me a "I" pointer and Firefox changes that to an Arrow pointer and so forth.

i3 itself uses a pointer icon for the pointer.

in icewm it dowsnt work, i will check in fluxbox

weird it works with icewm

so, question 2: how can I change theme on the fly without relogin?

previously I put X settins to ~/.Xdefaults and cursor theme to ~/.Xresources

I xrdb -merge `d both files from xinitrc

and it didn't work

I moved theme to ~/.Xdefaults and it works

maybe xinitrc script has misspelling

nope it is good

`.xinitrc` (dot at the start)

yea, but it would be gread to change cursor theme on the fly without relogin

i have no idea how lxapperance does it

and out of some reason symbolic link `.xsession` to it, i.e. `ln -s .xinitrc .xsession`

i am looking for solution to change all themes (gtk2, gtk3 and cursors) just on fly from script

maybe restarting the windowmanager without closing programs (sometimes programs do close though) `icewm --restart` it seems to be

(might have to do with the session leader of such processes)

nope

Xinitrc does not affect already launched apps

so root window too

and root window is not from wm but X

ROTFL!!! icewm theme user-images.githubusercontent.com/7…73c-ba6b-11e7-8e6a-29da6f910ec2.png

downloaded, ugly ;)

"icewm" already does gives very strong impression of a "Windows" theme even without going through the effort to create a even stronger resemblance

Then again there is helloSystems so🤷‍♂️

is there a command line utility that uses cdparanoia and cd-discid to make cd rips automatically naming files to cddb track listings?

s/Systems/System/

looks like

Title: cdrdao(1)

i think i used abcde for that in like, 2003

uh, i'll be damned

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rwp: thanks for the insights!

what scripts can be configured to run after resume from suspend to S3?

you mean to S0

yeah I noticed.. 13.1 laptop.. you suspend it to S3.. leave it overnight.. resume in the morning and the clock stays at the old time.

I had to run ntpdate to fix the clock

pertho: lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-…alization/2022-December/001073.html

Title: VM Wakeup Events

not the same thing, but, rc.resume(8) should be what you're looking for

found this: bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=264729

Title: 264729 – RTC clock is set incorrectly upon resume if NTP is in use

but I'm running openntpd not base ntpd

pertho, I think any rc.d script with "KEYWORD: resume" will be run on resume, but I'm not sure you can tell from which suspend state within the script. So check /usr/local/etc/rc.d/* or add a custom script there.

thanks I'll do some investigation.. I wonder if ntpdate needs to run on resume regardless.. ntpd may not be enough to correctly 'skew' the clock

anyway I think that bug I linked above is what happened

I'd compare, have not and never before looked at this, linux code and (open)BSD code

like, does openbsd store suspend and resume timestamps in RAM?

pertho: by default, ntpd refuses to correct a big skew, maybe just changing the flags could fix the issue

openntpd can be compelled to correct the skew on restart, but it seems it'll happily sit there for hours doing nothing about it

morning all

FreeBSD's base ntpd has a ton of options, but.. it's not clear which one to use

e.g. -x, --slew : Slew up to 600 seconds. <- Won't that only be useful if your clock is under 10 minutes difference?

looks like it might be -g

just restart ntpd service?

Title: src/acpi_wakecode.S at master · openbsd/src · GitHub

(having ntpd_sync_on_start="YES" in rc.conf)

yuripv: does having ntpd_sync_on_start="YES" mean ntpd_enabled="YES" has to be in there too?

or does the sync on start just run ntpd once and quit?

pertho: pgrep is your friend

hello

is there any rc that meant to be run for each login?

which is not user specific rc. i mean admin-configured rc but for each login

hey all... got a problem with freebsd 13.1, i have a lenovo 14p laptop, and my touchpad doesnt work, added moused_enable and dbus etc to /etc/rc.conf and still does not work... installed xorg etc nothing makes it work... went back t linux and touchpad works ok...

need help dont know  what else i should do

use an external mouse?

would be a simple solution, but want to use bsd on my laptop

Is this a non-Thinkpad Lenovo?

yeah

lenovo 14p

it is

tried with synaptic and libinput but no luck

I don't know about those regular ones. They might contain whatever hardware. I've never had problems with that on the Thinkpads.

:(

Have you tried running hw-probe on it?

nope

will do so

is the portsnap volunrability resolve? if not, is this why new handbook does not introduce portsnap?

micttyl, portsnap is being deprecated. Plans are for it to go away, but I'm not sure in which major version.

everyone just using git instead now?

ixmpp: likely

good 🙂

meena: I think you're right.. openntpd does absolutely nothing until you restart

at least as far as time skew

I don't happen to have a laptop capable of resuming with FreeBSD at the moment. My Thinkpad x201 has the black display after resume problem.

But if it were me I would configure such that "service ntpd restart" happened after resume so that the clock would get updated.

i wish i had a freebsd laptop, mine doesn't work because no touchpad drivers

well.. /etc/rc.d/ntpd only has KEYWORD: nojail shutdown

You might find this funny but I can't remember if my x201 is the model with or without the touchpad. :-)

that simplifies things :p

rwp: have you tried sysctl hw.acpi.reset_video=1 ?

I have not. Looking up the details of it now...

acpi(4)

Also I found description of it in docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/config

Title: Chapter 13. Configuration and Tuning | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

Thank you for the acpi(4) reference. I had not looked at it before. The combination of documentation is very useful!

rwp: give it a whirl see if it works on your thinkpad! :)

I just finished reading the first pass through the various docs. I'll boot it up and give it a try right now.

So far I have just been doing a full shutdown and boot on the laptop. But suspend-resume is one of the things needed to really make it useful.

does hibernate (I think that's 'S5'?) work at all?

I don't think FreeBSD has 'ZZZ'

It has zzz (all lowercase)

rwp: in theory, rc.resume should work

pertho: it does; /usr/sbin/zzz

pertho, Unfortunately reset_video=1 causes it to never wake up from sleep. (I typo'd that as zleep, corrected it but zleep might become a new favorite word for me now.)

meena, The difference between theory and practice is the difference between theory and practice. :-)

pertho, Suspend S4 appears to hibernate to disk and shutdown okay but upon boot does not resume the previous state.

Suspend S5 says it is not supported. Though hw.acpi.supported_sleep_state reports S3 S4 S5

This laptop OS image is slightly behind at 13.1-RELEASE-p2 so I will upgrade it now to the latest and test again.

i haven't figured out my thinkpad sleep either :|

I am running zfs on this laptop. With the iwn wifi driver. There are only 10 drivers listed in kldstat that are not iwn and none appear to me to be video drivers.

rwp: sometimes i kldload a glob in /boot/kernel just to see what lands

I wasn't planning on debugging the laptop issues today. Though when help is available one should take it!

I'll take all of this down in my notes and return to the problem later. I have to do some $WORK for a bit.

anyone here?

looks like 650 people are, my dude

Yoohoo999: you generally want to ask the actual question first.

thumbs: I'm entirely new to freebsd. I have windows on my computer. I shrank my C: drive partition to give about 32 gb to freebsd, and then I installed freebsd 13.1 from the amd64 memstick img. When I boot my computer, it goes to the freebsd logo screen and there I can select "boot multiuser".

thumbs: However, I want to see the boot0 boot manager and select between windows 11 and freebsd.

thumbs: I ran "boot0cfg -B [whatever my disk was called]", but it still won't show the boot0 boot screen.

Yoohoo999: right, but you don't need to keep addressing me; address the channel in general.

thumbs: ok

Hey, boot0 isn't showing on startup of my computer. I just installed freebsd on a computer with windows 11 and want to see the boot manager so I can boot either os easily. However, it just goes to the freebsd and I have to select exit to boot loader and then type "quit" to get to windows. I

installed boot0 with boot0cfg, what could be wrong?

Yoohoo999: is your system uefi?

yes, unfortuneately

you can add windows back with efibootmgr

and use it to select

hi, how can I find the service file for a running process?

rtprio: ok

drg99: either /etc/rc.d or /usr/local/etc/rc.d

rtprio thanks

Man sysrc as well

I was looking into ps aux and service status but could not find

services -l

cpet: I am looking for something like systemd, where I see the path of service definition in status

not so important, but would be nice if there is some way of doing it

We don’t have systemd

Luckily we only have two locations system and ports

i am still learning freebsd and its not yet natural for me to know the paths

drg99: it takes some time

rtprio: yes, but it worth's the time, I like it so much

Yeah

rtprio: i used efibootmgr to make sure that windows was in the boot order, and running "boot0cfg -v [my disk]" let me know that boo0 has the 0xf mask, which means it should see all 4 partitions. Any ideas as to why the boot0 boot manager isn't showing a menu on startup?

when i dualboot i have to hit f12 to override the boot device

^ what I do too, everything else seemed to not work with UEFI

rtprio: that works :(

and windows

but it does list the items in efiboot, in my case windows and freebsd (or fedora when i had it)

I mean

uefi menu

f12 boot menu

is it really any different?

?

i have in the past put freebsd into the windows boot menu

but all this is generally why i'm not super keen on dualboot

you could with dnsmasq PXE for pretty much everything not windows

i was playing with that idea too

I have a mediatek wifi card that freebsd apparently doesnt support, and I want to connect my machine to my wireless network, so I'm thinking of using a VM with freebsd and internet access to fetch the package 'net/wifibox' which supports my card, and then putting that package on a usb drive so my

non-network-connected freebsd machine can access it.

is this a good idea?

it is not actually to bad to get working, few hours cocking about

Yoohoo999, depends on budget, if you have a few spare quad/dollar, try a powerline adapter or a ethernet/wireless converter; if you have no spare <currency> then yeah you can vm something that supports the card and as long as the bios supports vt-d pass through the wifi card to the guest vm and use the bridge network to get out via it

er, i have a uefi only computer. would 'wifibox' or another service where a linux vm manages my wifi work

what is vt-d?

its a way to pass through hardware to a vm, its more the underlying technology required

* a cpu flag

ok

is that a hypervisor setting or a bios setting

it's a capability of a cpu

ok

to be fair though, the answer is yes

(its both a hypervisor setting and a bios setting, generally)

if you're at the point of doing that, get a new nic, they're cheap.

yeah, a new nic would be better

ndiswrapper was bad an i can't imagine wifibox being that much better

it could be okay?

for some

not really

its generally pretty unstable, which is the opposite of what you want out of networking

I mean, granted, its been a while since i've done it, but ... dont do it. its a nightmare in the end when something goes wrong. troubleshooting has a lot of extra layers, where each extra layer multiplies the things you have to think about when something breaks.

ok, i have an amd ryzen 5000 series processor, and that seems to support amd-vi

will amd's virtualization thingy work just as well as vt-d?

new nic = yes, but ethernet/wireless converter box == absolute yes

they are a god send when you are in a pickle

and should be in everyones toolbox

i had a usb nic which was handy. slow, but handy

got a few of them ;D

10M is awesome when your only other option is ppp etc :P

Yoohoo999: AMD came up with it first, so yes

Wait, I think you're mixing terms.

Yoohoo999 has some big dreams, for sure

i just want what's possible with linux

:)

AMD-V, the vendor-specific implementation of hardware-assisted virtualization for x86, is the equivalent of VT-x on Intel CPUs.

ok

i deduced that from the product page

VT-d is IOMMU.

so bhyve supports this?

is it different? or do they use the same instructions

Yoohoo999, from the setup you are describing, it sounds like you would be better getting a freebsd VM or server and running linux on that wireless system

Yoohoo999: functionally identical from the point of view of the OS, as far as I know.

good point

Yoohoo999: well, this ain't linux. it's FreeBSD. you should just use windows and be done with it

freebsd and wireless / webcams are not really a thing

freebsd is better for servers and such

daemon: wemcams work fine.

my first freebsd box was a bunch of hand-me down parts, in a full tower case that was missing the cover

How do you think I've been participating in the last many FreeBSD devsummits?

some webcams work fine

Most webcams work fine.

er, so yall wouldnt recommend a laptop freebsd setup

Yoohoo999: it depends.

Are you a FreeBSD power user?

debdrup, fair point; but even so that does not excuse wireless :)

no, im new to freebsd

i saw it has a linux alternative

daemon: proprietary interfaces is why FreeBSD is lacking behind in that area.

i used freebsd on my old hp elitebook 2760p, named schoenefeld

daemon: FreeBSD is good with a lot of hardware. it's system agnostic and is not a "server os" or "desktop os"

Yoohoo999: then I wouldn't recommend it.

CCFL_Man, but it really does better in a server type enviroment

debdrup: ok

i think the only thing which didn't work was bluetooth audio, and the touchscreen

hmmmm

FreeBSD _can_ be used as a desktop OS.

Yoohoo999 is one of those "linux users" akin to a windows user when linux required brains to use

Yoohoo999, note, no one here is saying you should not get into freebsd, you can get vm's or dedicates all over the place

im not a linux user

daemon: it works great as a desktop too

CCFL_Man: please don't be like this

CCFL_Man, not in my opinion; but that is personal taste

Yoohoo999: I started out using FreeBSD in 2000, after having been a Windows user up until that point - s o it's possible.

well, i also have a freebsd im trying to set up on my windows machine, but that crashes

in a vm? or is that the dual boot one

in a vm

in virtualbox

it works perfectly well in hper-v and virtualbox

Yoohoo999: You should start with linux honestly. FreeBSD is promising for some who are new from Windows NT, but Linux derivatives are easier to work for those new to UNIX

daemon: it should*

ok

Yoohoo999: ubuntu linux user, right?

it does

daemon: Should. Yoohoo999 is reporting it Does Not work for them.

Yoohoo999, i.imgur.com/93OtAL4.png

CCFL_Man: I'm not a dedicated linux user in any respect, I just use WSL2 a lot and want it to be separate from windows

try hyper-v as a one off

LxGHTNxNG: instead of telling them to use something else, help them figure out the problem and solve it.

Yoohoo999: Can you help us understand how "it crashes" in your virtualbox?

sorry, lemme explain

FreeBSD *is* *not* Linux.

i know

lemme recreate the virtual box error so i can give details

debdrup: they are already overwhelmed with CCFL_Man disparaging them and calling them a linux user as an insurt.

Yoohoo999, run it and take a screenshot alt-printscreen then paste it ctrl-v into imgur

"linux users" deserve to be insulted

lets no be rude now

but calling someone a "linux user" who isn't is just rude

Yoohoo999: No?

every os has its strength

the bummer is that earthworm does not compile without significant source code edits

I used to be an anti-linux elitist for a while too

is "linux user" an insult these days?

I suppose we all did that at some point

yes

you seem to be using it as one ccfl

due to reddit linux users all wear fedoras now

Yoohoo999: how old are you?

like 12

and playing with freebsd, grats

no, i just dont tell ppl personal info

sorry

I don't think I was that young when I first mucked with FreeBSD

ok dokey

cant convey sarcasm in irc

your age is not personal info. ]

what is it then?

LxGHTNxNG, i mean, it is

LxGHTNxNG: linux has it's place. the scientific software i use interfaces with hardware best on linux, particularly alsa audio

dr shelton, get me the cyanide

i'm out.

and in embedded systems, linux is often a better choice to to hardware support

and honestly, in most situations, linux has better hardware support

I'll be honest I want to install DOS but can't because UEFI only computer

i would use freebsd on my laptop if i could, i think i said as much earlier today

you tend to build systems to have the support for open/free bsd now days

daemon: that's always been the case.

debdrup, ~ back in the 4.x days it was not so bad (except sound cardS)

where the heck do I remember ./MAKEDEV pcm0 from?

or snd0

to long ago -_-

Deaygo5: i use freebsd to process scientific data through the terminal and x11 forwarding

daemon: i mean

ffmpeg work too

ffmpeg + youtube-dl (awesome app) :)

Anyway, with virtual box when I press "1: boot multiuser" it displays text and then ends with the text "trying to mount root from cd:9660:/dev/iso9660/13_1RELEASE...." before crashing

sounds like a virtual box problem

mount the ISO as a sata/IDE optical drive

yep

daemon: ok i willl

you can use SCSI or w/e for the drives

but make sure the optical media is old school mounted

daemon: the iso is mounted as an ide optical drive

then there is no reason it should not work

dang

does hypervisor work for windows?

what host os is this?

windows whaty

host os is windows 11

windows what#*

type 'hyper-v' in start menu search

and see if it finds anything

almost as bad as windows 8

'hyper-v manager'

in particulat

in particular

i dont know why ms discontinued win7 support, it was so much better

^

if you see that

you have hyper-v enabled which may upset virtualbox

ok

i dont see that

that should be totally fine

are you sure your system supports any form of virtulization

virtual machine platform is enabled in windows features

can you boot anything else; like gentoo etc

i've booted windows 95 and ms-dos 6.0

that does not count

damn

uh, no, nothing else

try boot ubuntu, gentoo, debian; anything

something not in dosbox

because virtualbox should be able to handle freebsd with zero problems

when i booted dos and win95 it was on virtualbox

not dosbox

would me having wsl2 enabled be a problem?

that is not possible without hyper-v being there

go here: C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Administrative Tools

and look for 'Hyper-V Manager'

if that exists create the VM there instead

ya i don't have that

ok no idea :D

might be for #windows

but im pretty sure WSL2 infers hyper-v be the tier-0 hypervisor

which will impede virtualbox

but I can tell you with 100% certainty that both hyper-v and virtual can run freebsd with zero issues

what if i install hyper-v

and then use that

works for me

ok

get ready for a reboot and some beer time

i have home edition

so i cant just activate it

how do i install it off the web

I do not know enough about windows to actually answer you I just installed it (pro version)

nevermind

ill figure it out

I honestly think you should head to #windows

not being rude here

but I think your home version of windows might have some limitations that I am not 100% sure about

and certainly do not want to be wrong about

I KNOW there is no reason virtualbox should have a problem with freebsd

but I also know WSL2 infers hyper-v

so ... yeah

ok

ill stop buggin yall

until we know more ;)

;;)

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