are official FreeBSD 15 torrents coming or should I just get them from FOSSTorrents?

darwin: i'm not sure we've ever had official torrents? iirc one developer maintains them as a side project, or at least did in the past

ok; thanks

Oh, he left. There's wiki.freebsd.org/Torrents

Woohoo updated my media server to 15 and pkgbasified it too

Still works

mason: yeah, that's what i was thinking of

once upon a time we did

have torrents

now i personally dont understand how downloading a torrent is any faster than downloading freebsd iso at 119MB/s

but i guess it helps in serving it

I prefer torrents cause my network can be bad sometimes

doesnt that starlink go down when it rains ?

when I had viasat it did

our rural satellite-to-tower Internet can go down in heavy precipitation

but thats higher orbit sats while starlink uses lower

i'm at 2600 Club!

only provider we had in the barracks

and it sucked

i used to buy my 2600 magazine

are you your computer's pet because it attained artificial intelligence?

i stopped

actually cpet is first letter of my first name first 3 letters of my last name

i endorsed 2600 Club once--without explaining what it is--in UNIX/*BSD and/or GNU/Linux channels and got criticised. I'm not saying you HAVE to attend your local club, but it may be the only such they know what your OS is and some use it

installed FreeBSD UNIX & Slackware GNU/Linux on my new (second-hand) ThinkPad 20SA... but seems the GRUB2 from 2022 is too old to boot FreeBSD 14.3?

i.e., I use Slackware to boot everything

heh FreeBSD UNIX

i read something changed with filesystem journalling since then I may need to do a more manual filesystem setup

UNIX-Like*

that's what it was called in official documentation when I was in college. It's a 'genetic UNIX' (according to the definition on Wikipedia)

even if all official UNIX code is gone now, it's just replaced/replicated by free versions that do same

this saddens me

anyway, what about the filesystem thing--I have to manually setup the old type of journalling before or after I do newfs?

the only way UNIX can be called UNIX is if certified by the open group

and so fare its AIX HP-UX Solaris and Mac OS

Mac OS is certified POSIX UNIX now?

has been for a very long time

I did not know that.

let me google

darwin: You shouldn't need to do anything for the (FBSD) bootloader to work. Not sure what you would have to do with Slack.

cause you know wikipedia is a good source of info

yeah, that works, I guess, but I want to use GRUB2... which there hasn't been updated (for stable OS) since 2022

Doesn't surprise me. They have the money to pay to be certified as compliant.

ek: slackware is old

and i dont know what the deal with in regards to releases

current is acive but the dewd releases a new release once every blue moon

I would think a GRUB2 loader would handle FBSD's stuff just fine. Unless there's "fancy" stuff missing for UEFI or something?

i always like using the elilo loader

but I have gotten used to 1 HD per OS

rather dual booting

i don't know that it's UEFI... might be

elilo is UEFI aware lilo is not

yeah, it's not using UEFI

however you dont get the cool logo when you use elilo

whats your cnfig say ?

should work

Dual boot!

I haven't dual booted in years.

i just buy another drive

than deal with boot loader bullshit

used to have similar to that but now just trying to chainload

i can't put another drive in the ThinkPad

yeah and this is why i cant do laptops

the only reason why I have 2 mini PC is cause i cant have 3 desktops

i kind of like my full tower which can fit like 14 drives in it

Well, and there's VM's. I don't think I've dual booted since those were a thing.

but I wanted to install windows and play games again so

i found a lenovo mini PC at bestbuy for 699

so I installed freebsd on that

That's some $$.

ek: VM's are fine until you have to use windows with its stupid requirments

ek it wasnt bad i added another NVE in it so it has mirror as a minimum

cpet: I don't really run Windows very often, but I don't have problems with VB or Fusion (on my laptop).

ek: I wanted to play warcraft 2

heh

Yeah. That'd be different. I'm not a gamer.

neither am I but i do like to play the occasional game

I just boot it to run some software specific to Windows or something when there are no other options.

wine plays most games fine

but not modern games

i can play ff7 in wine fine

but I can not play FF& remake in wine

what about KRogue?

if it takes more than an hour to setup I give up

i dont have the patience any more for that

Sounds like some work.

I was lucky that my gfx issue was a cable

but running KDE

Mem: 1013M Active, 4312M Inact, 311M Laundry, 9167M Wired, 2056K Buf, 625M Free

my need to get more ram but bleh

There's some fun FPS browser games as well

KDE3.5 was the last KDE I liked

you can play warcraft 2 in a browser

someone told me KDE2 or KDE1 or the pre-1 like beta versions were better

but if you already own it for 15 years

darwin: they were

i first tried KDE in the lat 1.x series

i use KDE when HW can support it or xfce4

you mean 1.n or you're talking about something like pi after the decimal point?

im sorry that not adding an e at the end doesnt make sense for you

let me retype it just for you

i first tried KDE in the late 1.x series

the issue was using x (for reals, or non-terminating decimals) rather than n (for natural numbers)

i got the 'late'

how do you get KDE and 1.x and get pi?

because of using x rather than n to denote

recall earlier algebra?

still doesnt make sense

but ok

when they introduced variables, they maybe said n=1, m=2, etc., then some other variable names for rationals (terminating decimals) like a=1.5, b=2.5 then finally x, y for non-terminating (infinite) decimals

like x,y could be pi, e (Euler's constant), phi, etc.

shit and o0x1eef said im handicapped

hah

or even something like 1.000... just the zeroes go on forever

so if I say freebsd 14.x

Technically I did not say that but I'm not going to relive that again.

you will still get the same ?

yes

i might think it's something like 14.314159265358... and the numbers go on forever

hrm

if you said 14.n, then n=1, n=2, or n=3 and it stops right there

how old are you ?

47

ok ill take it

it's not required, just the mathematical convention with these variable names

same with x86 versus n86, etc.

so if I go windows 9x

same thing ?

yes; there was no 3.14159...x86 (pi 86) or windows 95.000... with infinite zeroes

pi goes on forever

technically you could call Windows 95 one that had infinite zeroes if you want, then some later versions numbers like OSR 2.1

think you need to use some common sense when omeoens goes freebsd 14.x

and not go back to math 101

but they didn't do that. Like '1', '1.0', '1.000...' are all the same thing

it's a little farther than math 101 but I always go back to mathematics

how about freebsd 14.x x=3 ?

you can say so; just it's unconventional

Hey, are most of you on this channel runnig FreeBSD as a desktop OS? Or should I go to the #freebsd-desktop channel to find people who do that?

i use it mainly for desktop but also use it on a few servers

Just ask your question and see who replies

Okay, cool

that desktop channel might have more to do with X Window System, Wayland, etc., though desktop historically also just meant command-line

meidam: just ask here if you get a stay on topic well just ask again

Okay cool, makes sense

or do what I do and get regex.pl and just filter it out

I've tried once in the past to install freebsd on a usb stick and installed kde plasma on it. Worked fine. Followed a video by RoboNuggie for the post install stuff. I've been thinking now that it could be interesting to try installing freebsd on my extra m.2 ssd, since I have an extra one now. To try it out

I run linux on my main one

i run freebsd as my main OS

when I want to play games I switch the LCD to HDMI

Reminds me, we're going to poke around with Steam on FreeBSD this weekend.

We want to try both Linux compat and WINE.

Getting steam deck/steam machine/steam frame just to install FreeBSD on it would be quite based

Speaking of games, deadshot.io is good fun

Works in the browser, works on BSD

i still play Pingus

;/

and viruskiller

:D

I forgot how bad it is to play FPS on a trackpad. I think I'll look for a strategy game. Something like command&conquer but browser-based.

ahh cool you can play Red Alert 2 in the browser chronodivide.com

you can play a lot of game

just older games

That's amazing. Thanks!

wasnt there a handbook article on hw to update a ports tree installed from bsdinstall ?

dogs arent happy with me :(

cpet: maybe? Occasionally it might get weaker

what are you on about ?

o0x1eef: I'll have to try that game

The starlink

I'm reading backlog

Apologizes

for what ?

*apologies

I can't spell

neither can I

I should've clarified what I was replying to

where do you live that requires a sat inet option ?

I need to figure out my dual boot for this media server so I don't have to keep going to bios

Rural area

i live in gulfport MS

now its your turn

so I can understand installing src from bsdinstall

as tat chances of you need to update it is slim

but ports ?

would be nice if there was an howto that explains how to update it without rm -rf /usr/ports/* then cloning it again

cpet: Just don't install ports from the installer. Pull the clone "--depth 1" and be done. It's the quickest way.

wheres the fun in that ?

I dunno. Time saving?

i am a disabled veteran

i have all the time in the world hah

Well, then, quit yer' bitchin'! ;D

im not bitching im asking

im basking

:P

You're always bitchin'. :)

the world is a better place if you bitch

Bitchsking*

I agree. No need to stay remain stagnant.

Hi guys, new here and stumbling through trying to teach myself BSD. Just wanted to say hello!

s/stay //

if I didint bitch then navy fed would still only limit me to 300 deposits

snegopady: hi

snegopady: Hello! Welcome to FBSD!

<3 ty!

I need a drink. It's Friday, correct?

so

git clean -fg && git pull git.freebsd.org/ports.git

works

ek: so hah

nice to see my raidz expansion running again. i love how it started at 14 days until complete like 8 hours ago and now it's down to 9 days :)

expanding ?

yes

i'm growing a vdev/pool

which i now call eliminating the weak.. since 2 disks died in the process. they were probably on their way out regardless.

seems like after 14 days of doing this you would be adding mroe wear and tear to the drives than you would if you just compiled world 5 times

probably :) i doubt it's actually going to take 14 days. like i said it's dropping like a rock.

i'd have to agree with you inasmuch most people would probably expand when their pool is becoming full so the expectation is that people expand when it would have the most impact on the lifespan of the disks

either that or (like i was planning to do) they'll start with a small vdev and just buy a new disk every month or so to max out whatever they're using. like i have a 36 bay isilon from the before time

given how the reflow works... i wonder if it actually fixes free space fragmentation

32.3T / 69.2T copied at 48.8M/s, 46.67% done, 9 days 03:58:21 to go

it was 8 days 6 hours like 15 minutes ago

*9 days

is this personal of work related ?

personal. if it were work related i'd use mirrors.

yeah I dont know how I would ever have 70 TB of anything

but the wear a tear you are giving your drives while doing this kinda makes me just want to backup to a ext USB and redo the array

if they still sold smaller drive I would buy those

Macer: you only have 70TB -- Those are rookie numbers LOL

rookie numbers ?

i always wondered why people would rather download a movie than stream it when most ISPs offer unlimited BW

I guess to own it and have access to it all the time. That would be my mind thought on it.

If it disappears from streaming, you can't watch it anymore.

you dont own it

that's why i buy, not stream.

It's now your data.

Sure. Or buy it. You have the data on-hand any time. No reliance on BW or a streaming service.

whats the point in having BW if you dont want to use it ?

Well, when a service goes down or no longer exists, what's the point in paying for it?

you go outside and do shit

Sounds dangerous

It sure does.

Outside is scary.

says the person who called me handicapped

you people are weird

Says the cripple.

Technically I did not call you that

directly or indirectly you did

I said your pattern of behavior when it comes to debate is handicapped, which just means it is to your own disadvantage, but yes, it is completely valid to understand it how you did, and I apologize for that

i had an old lady call the cops on me for parking in a handicapped spot, when the cop arrived he just smailed have the lady a ticket for wasting his and my time told me thank you for your service.

o0x1eef: Well said. You're alright in my book.

ek: how is basing how you percieive something automatically make you appear handicapped ?

You are conflating identity with behavior, and we're more or less back where we started

hrm

«says the cripple» naked ableism out of ek

cpet: That's not what I was saying. I was saying that o0x1eef apologized even though they didn't really need to. It was the good thing to do.

MelMalik: I'm just giving cpet a hard time as we know each other a little better than most. :)

In other words, you identify as a disabled person (or as you said, handicapped) but my comment did not claim that about you at all, it said a pattern of behavior puts you at a disadvantage because you don't try very hard to understand the other person you're talking to

He's not a cripple (although, he pretends to be)

even worse

«pretends to be disabled» is a common trope ableists use to deny disabled people needed accomodations.

ek: explain why i get a pay check every month from the VA is "i am not cippled" ?

heh

MelMalik: I think you're slightly misunderstanding the jest that cpet and I banter about. He gives me a hard time and I retort. It's all in good fun. He isn't by any means being degraded (by me). Just catching some crap in return.

This isn't the zone for amical banter. That can be done at your local pub, or over a 'cue.

o0x1eef: you do realize i really dont care and you are appoligizing for the mear benefit of giving you a hard time about it ?

cpet: Stop faking, sir! You can't just beat up elderly ladies whenever you want.

MelMalik: dont start with your stay on topic non sense

MelMalik: I think that might be the problem with cpet and I. We basically treat IRC like the pub sometimes.

ek: why not ?

Sans cues, obviously.

cpet: You're too agile.

bleh

ek: if koobs was here we both would of been banned by now

ek: :P

FWIW there's also #freebsd-social

Surprisingly enough, koobs never kicked me. I do only seem to get into trouble when you're around, though.

ek: sometimes streaming services will lose licensing to something and no longer have it. Or it will move to another service.

ek: heh

Macer: Correct. That's my argument. If I can have it available all the time, it's worth the purchase.

o0x1eef: this channel is quiet enough to not require constant stay on topic

And I think most people are kind of sick of having to get a new streaming service for anything and everything. It’s like old school cable on steroids. You’d wind up paying $5,000/year if you decided to get all the services.

... provided it's something I actually want to purchase.

Macer: if you own a amex platinum card its free

up to 20/m

so for me thats peacock and disney

I’m not a fan of “digital purchases” either. That just sounds like lifetime renting and still relies on having someone feed it to you instead of pulling out a disc lol

so waiting on 70TB's to expand

is justified i guess

Or those crazy overseas IPTV services that are $100/year for everything under the sun. Some of that is wild. I don't trust it.

Well. It isn’t the expansion that was the problem. It was the two disks breaking in the process. lol

It’s storage Darwinism.

Only the strong survive.

turn tv on, load hulu watch movie

loop until bored

But it’s my first time doing it.. took a long time to get raidz expansion. That’s great stuff.

yes but if it takes a week to expand

which can cause excess use on drives whichc ause them to fail

i dont see the point

It doesn’t take a week. I was just commenting on the time estimation. :)

now you sound like o0x1eef

i didint say that

i said this

I don’t know. Disks will live or die. I have disks in that same server that have over 10 years of run time and are still tip top.

yeap i once bought 6 drives

poped them into my 3ware raid array

a day later 1 died :(

i dug a hole and laid it to rest

Yup. I’ve had the same happen to me. New disks and one died out the box. It’s hit or miss. But I love you can scale now.

expand an array takes a week

backups and resotre and create new array

less time

You need the space for the backup.

If you don’t have another huge pool you’re sort of out of luck.

Or some other means.

well I dont backup.. movies, pictures, emails, chat logs, logs,

so my backup is about 15megs

I’m actually going to make a new pool with 4 giant disks and just scale it until the isilon is filled up. Just to future proof it.

youll be done in a month

Like buy a 20TB drive every so often.

I wish. I don’t have money like that. Which is where expansion makes sense.

do you actually have 20 TB of data or you just like having large disks ?

i wish they still sold 128GB SSD's

I just like having large redundant data storage. It’s nice knowing it’s there. It’s all fun and games until cloudflare goes down and takes 3/4 the internet with it.

shit when the internet goes down I take the dogs and goto the park

really said to see that the whole world shuts down when internet goes down

sad*

Yeah well… it’s either use it or go back to clay tablets.

i cant look at twitter

oh noes

I can’t either. I just use mastodon.

i dont do any of that social media crap

with the exception of late night youtube shorts

I was on a big thing trying to move over to decentralized services and killed off all my conglomerate accounts.

i did that years ago

Like mastodon and matrix etc

i dont know I would rather tell ek hes a weirdo in person than online

but thats me

I was a little shocked that there aren’t any decentralized chat apps.. simplex and session are probably the only two.

And simplex is more of a supernode one.

i kind of miss AIM

Matrix is federated.. and it gave me nothing but grief but can do some neat things.

In the end I just got rid of matrix and went back to irc. Tested and true.

Maybe I’ll try out xmpp again later.

jabber

was fun

see if that old server is in ports

I mean irc would be fine if it could just do a couple more things but…

nope

I’ve used irc since the 90s … so it’s just eternal.

And being niche nowadays it keeps the riffraff out lol

if you say so

Oddly enough. This isn’t true for usenet. I set up usenet just to see what was going on… and it’s essentially endless viagra spam.

I hadn’t used it in years… I just thought it would be nice to go retro “forum”

thats kind of what I think when I hear people have lots of data to back up

"{

:P

At some point I need to get back to seeing if I can swap everything off proxmox and use bastille to work on migrating everything to jails and bhyve

Using fbsd

yes seeing how bhyve is included in freebsd

It’s their thing.

it is ?

Afaik yes. It’s developed by the fbsd team.

FreeBSD is just so awesome with everything it does. IMO if it is an option for people they should be using it for their servers.

im sure they do

or some do

i run openbsd and netbsd on it

already crashed 15.0 twice

crb: It'd be useful to report bugs if possible.

mason: yep totally would but this is a headless systems that run my DNS so when it goes down I can't get into the BMC, but I

ouch

is there no crash log created?

didn't see anything in /var/log/messages

var/crash?

I really need to get Ethernet when I move out

ethernet is always a good thing to have

I need to also set up a syslinux boot entry for fbsd so I don't have to keep going into bios to switch to the media server

I had one for chimera cause that was my original media server so I might be able to modify that config once I SCP it over

Can syslinux chainload the fbsd bootloader?

I'd like to use the batocera Linux boot menu (syslinux) to pick either bato or fbsd

is it grub2 ?

No it's syslinux

Alternatively, can the fbsd loader chainload syslinux?

moderh hardware relies on UEFI and with this method everything is possible

Hmmm

I'll try the syslinux setup first I guess

for BIOS boot you can use GRUB2 to chainload or load and boot FreeBSD kernel

GRUB2 know how to load and boot FreeBSD

knows*

Yeah I'll try installing grub if syslinux doesn't work out

so i found my config, it was for chimera's grub, in order to chainload syslinux

So now I'm wondering if I should somehow install grub on a USB and use that to dual boot?

aren't you using EFI on this machine ?

Yeah but I don't wanna mess with the batocera setup in case I make it not boot

What do you recommend I do? The two systems are on separate drives

refind

On which system?

it's system independent

Alright, but wouldnt it overwrite one of the bootloaders when I install it?

Oh batocera has instructions for refind

Cool

crb: you can't get into it using an ip?

i typically set up everything with ips for things like that vs hostnames just in case there are dns issues like that

i'm still giddy that i have sol set up on the isilon since i couldn't access the ancient java kvm interface anymore. it was a serious godsend :)

Installed refind on a usb, I hope this works

Wow nice it worked

New favorite bootloader

Later I'll see if I can remove the extra entries on the screen

Epic it was cause I had added entries thinking I needed them

But I didn't, it works fine without

Woohoo

mzar: thank you!

Now I wonder if I could use refind instead of ventoy to make a multi boot USB stick

expand: expansion of raidz2-0 in progress since Thu Nov 27 22:35:46 2025

the expansion that never ends. wow did those two broken drives kill me lol

43.0T / 69.2T copied at 61.9M/s, 62.24% done, 5 days 02:59:03 to go

yesterday it said 14 days... zfs transcends time.

what's the rush

rtprio, yep, if you have such big data, you shouldn't be in a hurry

does anyone get REALLY slow pkg updates with the default settings? if i manually configure a mirror it's lightning fast. if i use "pkg." it's slooooow (300k/s). it seems "pkg." is the only way to keep the connection https too.

what is pkg with the dot?

pkg.freebsd.org

iirc, it uses geographical redirection

vs. pkg0.tuk.freebsd.org for example

then it redirects you to slow one

it might not be accurate always

rtprio: no big rush. it does its thing in the background

i'm just saying the time estimate goes way faster than its estimate

300k seems like a broken mirror

markmcb: quite subjective on my end but default settings.. i am getgin 35-40m/sec for downloads on a 500/25 connection

yeah, i see similar when i manually config it. updates are instant almost

or just a slow mirror that has to omany hops

*too

maybe i'll dig deeper. whatever the logic, something seems off

yeah, i just did a test on one machine

well a jail.. and it is wired.. but i am holding off on that whole rabbit hole of 15.0 because my LLM is chugging through 5.8 million files

or find a bank.. that can give me a loan to be able to use a 3rd party embedding model provider.. to do my 44 billion tokens

does fbsd support the arcs?

i think i saw something about them being supported in 15 but didn't look too hard at it

what kind of arcs

any of them. the A3xx series are nice little workhorses

oh the Intel GPU series

yeah

yeah they're cute horses

i have an a310 because i needed something that was 1 slot for transcoding and it absolutely crushes it

plus out the box works in linux ... can't go wrong there either

Macer: I can free up 70TB or so if you need a place to "backup" ;)

Macer: i went nvidia route.. when you get into vectorization of data sets.. more cores == better and more RAM on the card.

Macer: i have been doing these tests for weeks now and learning how frameworks take the raw data and make these math models for eventual interaction with LLM to enhance their capabilities.. all this works on freebsd.. jails galore :)

Hey! I have a fresh install of 14.3 that boots fine, but if I connect a disk controller with an old ZFS pool, it panics during boot because it can't find init.

Does that old disk controller with an old ZFS pool have a same named root volume causing the boot to get confused and boot the old zfs pool?

If so then boot the installer, start a shell, rename the old pool.

rwp: That would be my exact guess. It's another bootable disk.

wipt: Can you attach the disk after boot to then import the zpool data?

rwp: it does not share a pool name with the root volume, and has never been imported to this install.

But on second thought, that pool may share the system host name.

import the pool manually with -N I think it is and the pool will import without mounting data sets which allows you to see where it wants to mount things without actually doing it

I concur the new pool has a filesystems who's mount point is / and when you import it that will auto mount over your current /

Macer: this is reply to an old comment of yours, yes I can get in by IP but I need to reboot it to look up the IP so I know it for next time