I just upgraded to FreeBSD 15 with the usual <freebsd.org/releases/15.0R/installation> but now, after the "reboot into a fully FreeBSD 15 installation" part, when I run `pkg update`, I get `ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libutil.so.9" not found, required by "pkg"`. What should I do now? Use `/usr/local/sbin/pkg-static install -f pkg` to install an updated version like ChatGPT suggests?

adiabatic: well running "pkg-static" should help resolve this...

I ran into that prior and wiped my whole install before someone told me pkg-static existed LOL

well, I'm out of my depth again and I wanted to make sure I wasn't getting totally hallucinated recommendations, especially since I've never had this problem before with all my upgrades in the years prior…

so I came in here, and thought "well, if 'you should at least go a cursory Google search' before asking is a thing, at least I should plug the problem into ChatGPT and see if it has an answer that passes a _basic_ sniff test"…

interesting. seems like `pkg bootstrap -f` did the trick.

it wasn't " pkg-static bootstrap -f " ?

I usually use pkg-static bootstrap -f in that case

ChatGPT is not homomorphic with a Google search and it's dangerous to presume that it is

 

so chatgpt is bad and google is bad

chatgpt is worse, it legitimately makes people stupider

itd all bad

the way i see it if I need help with say regex where does it matter where I get the answer to my question ?

shit prting mesen 2.x i fixed a few build issues by asking chatgpt

cpet: Google will give you results from other people (as wrong or right as it may be, usually things like StackOverflow's upvote/downvote system can filter that for you quite well). ChatGPT is using an Artificial Neural Network to guess and then generate text based on that guess.

well i dont normally ask for help here so bleh

cpet: I'm just answering your question: "where does it matter where I get the answer to my question ?". My answer can be summarized as: a human gave you an answer and a prediction model gave you a guess. The choice is yours of course.

if that guess helps me to go oh shit ok and fix the issue which has happened a few times with firewall issues

SponiX: no. the messages that popped up while/after I upgraded said to use `pkg`

adiabatic: pkg-static is more of a last resort

adiabatic: kind of like my vps povider installing bash and making root's shell bash

I would have figured a linker failure would have meant that `pkg` would be totally unusable, but guess not

not realizing that booting into single user mode kind of fails

adiabatic: a lot of time you have to "guess" to fix your issues

adiabatic: also theres a reason why pkgsrc is still experimental

er pkgbase

does single-user mode just blindly use the default shell without making sure that the default shell is actually available in single-user mode?

pretty much heh

this is why you dont touch root's shell

i told them to change the script to install bash-static instead

this is why I haven't touched root's shell even though I prefer fish

i just keep it at csh

adiabatic: you can compile it staticly and copy it over to /bin

but in reality you shouldnt touch root's shell

/bin/sh is guaranteed to be available in single-user mode

FreeBSD’s root shell defaults to /bin/sh because it is:

statically linked or always present in the base system

available even when /usr is not mounted

required for emergency and single-user mode

guess chatgpt is wrong

Hello.

hello

state question and take a number

I assume '42' was taken decades ago?

numbers reset every 24 hours

Nope. Just a bit homeless and having a hard time sleeping. Needed to see some human activity

the other day when I was driving around the dogs saw someones askig for money gave them 20 bucks and he said oh shit im going to go get something to eat

oh yeah, I got the runaround from ChatGPT a while back trying to figure out why I couldn't reinstall Debian (the actual fix was to update the bios from "ancient" to "renaissance") so I don't have all _that_ much confidence in its output without sanity checks

i was impressed that he immediately went to go get something to eat

adiabatic: it happens some people get butt hurt hen they didint know the answer and a AI did

matt|home: are you a veteran by chance ?

well, it's _hard_ not to get mogged at least _some_ of the time by the crystallized wisdom of the Internet

Nope. Don't want money, just hard to sleep in position

matt|home: if you are you can have a place to stay for a week, and they have some services to help

adiabatic: guess we need to add references to evrything now

Hey matt|home

In car. Family issues. Welp I can't sleep and it's close to midnight so tech talk I guess. If any of you are familiar with the modifications made to the PlayStation fbsd kernel, how extensive are they?

Hihi

matt|home: i would ignore o0x1eef, he may call you handicapped for being homeless

>_>

ibb.co/dJP2jFL4 <== came out p cool

i dont see anything

Yeah it doesn't matter I'm not capable of feeling anything right now, anyhoo

you dont have any hand warmers ?

I like the idea of using fbsd for a console but supposedly it was only possible because of how much money sony threw at it for drivers. Anyone know if this is true?

well

South Florida, it's p hot out rn

i dont know if sony threw money at it

i do know they used freebsd due to licensing

GPL requires you to give back the src BSD license does not

matt|home: it's 55 here dogs seem to like it i dont

I had an idea for a game console and really wanted to go with fbsd for it, but apparently there's just more Linux support for that sort of thing on an indie scale. Idk

matt|home: mkes my knees and hand hurt, and neck

matt|home: the kids (and everyone else these days) calls it the Gabecube

matt|home: if you make a decent device with decent games

the os shouldnt matter

Yeah I get that. Sadly I don't tolerate heat well and do a lot better in cold, which is very rare

in theory most people dont really know what goes under neath

Well, it matters for the software. I really wanted to use monogame for the engine, it's not a complete requirement but it does several things I quite like

And I just dunno what support it has for bsds

with time, money, you can pretyt much port anything

Sure

some developers are ok with patches some are not

... I have to pee -_- and I am in public so what the hell...

i would just send it

funnel and bottle

There's a gas station p close to me open 24 hrs.. fam goes there tho on weekends so I'll wait a bit later

cant piss in the car heh

What version are we up to.. I read in eliebe believe on register there was a recent major overhaul

im not going to tell you how we piss in a tank ;/

15

15.0 we need to be careful now as some people get confused with .x and .n

If I have to I will, I'm not so upper class I won't accept plastic charity :p man.. I lucked out like you wouldn't believe

I had an older desktop which didn't have Microsofts new line of supported CPUs, and I'm stuck on 10 still

just open the door and piss

But after reading about the utter travesty of this fckin AI nonsense and whatever the hell MSs business strategy is, I am so damn glad I wasn't forced to upgrade

matt|home: just uninstall cortana using ccleaner

:P

I'm not against AI, just against how were doing it

im not against it cause it snot going any where

if companies dont have to hire 500 people and can hire 40

comanies will do it

No joke. Apparently there are severe issues in the 11 kernel which break UI, so start menu file explorer etc all crash tonbluesxree now

thats cause of AI generated code

To blue screen*

Things AI is good for: protein folding. Secure captchas

i played doom 3 for like 2 hours last night

no issues

.......... I can't think of anything else :p

Ever play something called cyberpunk? 2077 specifically

yeap

i did not like it

My wife & sister were both racing about it, sadly my hardware doesn't support it and it was on sale some time ago

time to buy new HW

Raving*

Not in this economy:p I got $1.11 USD to my name and that's going to breakfast tomorrow

i have .17 cents :D

I was playing uh, a deus ex game the other day

Mixed feelings. I think I'm just bad at games -_-

i used to goto churches and get some free meals

it has taken me about 20+ years to beat FF7

I'm way overweight, they're not gonna give me anything I don't think.. I'll just use this as a weight loss trial~ hey question for ya

freebsd has some decent games if you look at ports/games

Was just gonna bring that up lol

nexuiz is a nice game

Was wondering if the games port was still active

freebsd took away the games for i forget why

but you can install bsdgames

and play some old school console games

I forget what it was called but when I was a kid I played that stupid windows pinball game way too much

they took out the insulting fortunes as well

Space escape or some nonsense I don't recall

cause you know lets not upset people

Aww, laaaaame

partly why they changed the logo as well

Yeah I'm not sleeping tonight -_- balls

cause you know charlie posing in converse is thretening to some

No.

They didn't get rid of my precious demon you're lying ;_;

yeap

Nooooooooo

youll get ovr it man

He's still on the front page ? Ah whatever I hate this world

hah

*yawn* fuck it, if I get into a fight tonight so be it. Need to hit up gas station. Thanks for humoring me cpet, take it easy /o

it's that time again, time to rebuild my server in a VM and then do a brain swap. Installing 15. Ran into a little glitching with manually partitioning, created ufs for boot+OS and swap, thenm rest zfs. zfs did not mount on boot as part of /etc/fstab. Did the zpool import and ended up re-creating it the eay I wanted anyway (had to export first, said 'belonged to another system') and then imported. commented line

in fstab. my experienc, once imported it should be available on boot.

so there is an edge case for ya, heh. Using packages this time. Trying jto have ports collection that matches, though, not always easy.

shbrngdo: you should never need anything in fstab regarding zfs

but you probably need zfs_enable=yes in rc.conf

hey, does someone know when chromium will be avaiable as package in freebsd 15 ? looks like it failing to build or timing out.. pkg-status.freebsd.org/builds/defau…6685:2018-03-22_16h00m12s:package23 maybe I was to fast to upgrade to 15 when it came out. Because I had to wait a couple of week for it be avaiable in 14.X too.. because it also failed pkg-status.freebsd.org

A watched pot never boils and a watched build never completes successfully. It will be ready when it is ready.

wut

watched pots boil for me, not sure what laws of thermodynamcs you follow. ;)

the pot doesn't care if it's being watched

never heard of shy pots?

if there was one thing I could change it'd be add 1 GB RAM huge-pages

pkg: wrong architecture: FreeBSD:14:amd64 instead of FreeBSD:14:i386

pkg: repository Poudriere contains packages with wrong ABI: FreeBSD:14:amd64

i'll go crazy

Good Afternoon

hello shbrngdo, are you still running FreeBSD ?

62.5T / 69.2T copied at 81.9M/s, 90.37% done, 23:42:03 to go

i'm about to get some pompoms to cheer it on.

I suggest instead taking a bike ride

it's snowing.. hard

the trials and tribulations of living in the north

sleep?

with truss what is analog of `strace -k` ? if any

that is stack traces

at least if this expansion works.. i know the disks that survived can do it. i have another drive to put in to expand it more so i'll have to do this all over again. i wonder if the reflow defragments free space

probably not

or maybe defragments blocks.. ie: puts them next to each other during the reflow instead of randomly putting them in free space

i'd have to read up on how zfs expansion works. i wonder if there is a paper somewhere on it

i think it used to be once you made a vdev, you couldn't easily expand it

newer feature to do so

yeah. i'm using it now on a vdev to add a drive.

i'm just curious how it works.

notably how it rearranges the data when it reflows

Macer, have you seen this picture? cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/raidz-expansion.png

that gives some intuition for the source and target states, at least

if you're asking how it is able to transform the source state to the target state without putting the pool in a potentially vulnerable state temporarily, I don't know...

yes

that was from the speech a few years ago

but it was just a basic example. i'm just wondering if for instance you have a pool that has high free space fragmentation... after a reflow is most of that fragmentation eliminated since it reflows the entire pool (or vdev.. not sure if it does multiple vdevs for just one vdev)

i'd guess maybe not with multiple vdevs and it just stays inside the vdev since you expand per vdev

in my case i don't have high fragmentation for that particular pool

sorry, getting disconnects. how can i get stack traces for an application ? ( analog of linux `strace -k` )

angry_vincent: you have ktrace(1) and truss(1), choose one

and how do i get stacke trace with truss? i did read man page and it has no stack trace mentioned

angry_vincent: freshports.org/sysutils/bstack ?

Other than that, dtrace would be your best bet, but it's only good for tracing C apps (and C++ if you demangle them) and it's a bit of a domain-specific language...

I think I got hit by bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=285853 on 15.0-RELEASE huh

i.koumakan.jp/2025-12-07/1765125132.png is the bootonly ISO starting in Hyper-V

How does your impression of FreeBSD compare to that of OpenBSD and NetBSD? And do you have any views on BSD compared to Linux or Mac?

Does anyone know if there are docs on how pkgmir.geo.freebsd.org works? I notice that if hit it from my laptop, I get a geographically close mirror in the US. If I hit it from my FreeBSD server, I get Japan and very slow results.

Interestingly, my server is just direct to my ISP. My laptop is on a VPN in the same city. I'm guessing logic somewhere is coming to very different conclusions about my location and the nearest mirror.

markmcb: it reads on the frontpage: We use MaxMind GeoLite based geo-dns to choose a close mirror for you.

markmcb: what's your 'server' ip?

markmcb: feel free to /msg to me if you dont want to share with the class

markmcb: it depends more on resolving DNS servers that you are using and their attitude to the IP of origin of the DNS query

Koston, thanks. I saw that. I just couldn't find any logic for how it works.

mzar, I see. afaik i'm using the same dns servers (mullvad 194.242.2.2) for both setups, but i'll check.

zi, sure, i'll message you

thanks mzar and zi for the quick insights. it seems dns was indeed the issue. changing to 1.1.1.1 results in me getting the actual closest mirror.

OK

hello

is gist.github.com/matthewp/431e0c89d9492ea5601ce9c01a5676af a goodway to create a package ?

the project i want to package is thorvg

hi I am having trouble with my freebsd server

vtorri: maybe, if you have no intention of ever getting your package included in official Ports collection

ok basically I cannot connect via ssh

it's after I tried to upgrade to freebsd 15 then something may have gone wrong so I put the backup and have had issues since is there any way to get assistance on this?

and if i want to include it in official ports collection ?

is there any guide ?

vtorri: then read the official porting guide

vtorri: "poudriere" is your friend.

vtorri: docs.freebsd.org/en/books/porters-handbook

sixpiece: you have to access the console to fix it

i'll look at that

thank you

btw, the project i want to package is thorvg

first read the porters handbook and familiarise with the makefile system the Ports use. after that, poudriere will help you automating things

there are thousands of examples in the ports tree, follow the handbook and you will be fine

exactly, if you can't figure out something just look at other ports' makefiles

ok

yes mzar I do have access to the console

cool

happy to say I have freebsd installed on my laptop haven't tested everything but most things are great have to just the webcam next

i just noticed that after an expansion zfs does a scrub

so it's a one two punch?

zi: killed efnet

zi: you bastard

Pure murder.

no explaination, no oh we fucked up, nothing

ek has been upset ever since

Nope. Just gone. And, it's been a while. Might've been a ddos or something and they just shut down instead of dealing with it. It'll likely pop back up at some point.

It is strange, though!

yeah

some rich person probably took it over

i think it was ek

Haha. It's possible, but doubtful.

it happened here it can happen there

Maybe EFnet just decided to merge with Libera.

with the topic people

:(

That's actually exactly what's happening right now with it down. All the users have trickled in.

damn it

Frickin' IPv6 stopped working. I loathe Comcast so much.

comcast sucks

It sucks bad.

Uh? I'm on an EFnet chann... oh, IPv6. Not sure in that case.

but not as bad as anythng operated by that other rich guy

oh look that one dewd is back

V_PauAmma_V: You're connected to EFnet IRC right now? Which server?

lies

ek: never trust what V_PauAmma_V says

Haha.

hello.

ek: something about those two V_

Matt|home: hi

Matt|home: Hiya.

Matt|home: did you finally took a piss or have you held it for hours ?

i went. two gas stations and bad luck. apparently both of them got "destroyed" shortly before my arrival. i was not happy.

yeah kind of why most gas stations dont allow you to use the bathroom

if you bomb it aleast clean it up

ek, whichever server irc.efnet.org sent me to the last time I had to reconnect, which is no longer in my backscroll.

elfnet?

rtj: remeber efnet ?

i get to have a very unpleasant chat with family today. might wind up kicking someone out, although i'd prefer not to.

Good afternoon

Matt|home: drugs are bad

... you know i take drugs right

without them i die

so no, drugs are good

those arent drugs

you weirdo

ERROR :Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Connection timed out)

Connection closed by foreign host.

still dead

"127.0.0.1"?

yeah

ek broke it

Whatever.

cpet/ek: I'm there, it's not looking that bad: paste.karlsen.tech/?548235c1f389a19…HyTywh9gKPHPFUz2EsYw1W6HEWkPhE5CASS

vkarlsen: I think it's just the v6 servers that aren't working right now. I can ping v4 servers (sometimes) but get d/c'd as soon as I connect.

I'm not terribly worried about it. But #FreeBSDHelp was a fun little channel.

oh, devmatch_blocklist="hv_hid" fixed my woes with 15-RELEASE

…but only until I need to install a fresh copy I guess, since the install media won't be as pliable

it is a bit surprising that a RELEASE just outright panics on boot in Hyper-V

so i installed yazi using pkg -M to skip installing the 6gb of optional nerd fonts, but now when i try to install or update certain packages, it tries to install nerd fonts, is there a way to tell pkg to not do that other than uninstalling yazi and installing it again afterwards?

nope

Darn, alright

I looked at how other linuxes and BSDs packaged it and they either didn't include nerd fonts (marked it as optional) or they included a symbols-only package of the font, should I make a request to change how the port is set up? Or should I just leave it be

you could always request it

Would it be better to request the new font package or should I request that the optional deps for yazi to not be installed?

Hello, all. On my offline FreeBSD machine, the mailbox is filled with hundreds of cron messages titlted: /usr/libexec/sae-entropy and containing reports of successful execution. Is this the intended defatult behavior? I have not found a crontab file from which it is called in order to redirect 1>/dev/null to silence this...

* usr/libexec/save-entropy -- the title of the e-mails and probably the command of the cronjob .

JetpackJackson: the optional dependencies will likely still be installed due to the nature of pkg iirc

you could ask to compile the port without the optional dependencies

not 100% sure :)

it might already exist, if there is configuration for the package, you will get a ncurses UI to enable/disable features when you build from src

git clone git.freebsd.org/src.git /usr/src

then if you want the build to be automated but dont want to jail and stuff, portmaster is simple

pkg install portmaster

hello

hi sixpiece

hi polarian how are you?

im good, thx, you?

pretty good

I want to go to dinner have so much to do as well like cleaning house, work, etc.. but I am trying to get my laptop that I just installed freebsd on to work in terms of the details most notably webcam and printer I think will be easier

bluetooth could be cool then later I will do stuff like firewall I guess

ant-x: man periodic.conf

change all the mail peridocis to /path/to/file or /dev/null

what are you up to polarian?

the laptop finally works what a difference freebsd installation made

but just a few things not working yet

A little cleaning and a little hacking (not malicious)

says the are tee jay

Copious amounts of caffeine.

this is good

;/

god forbid microsoft adopt even a basic package manager -_- macos is interesting, i haven't used any of the new apple OS software since like the late 90s but it looks useful

Matt|home: they did, it's called "winget"

I moved to freeBSD never to hear the word Microsoft again :) just joking

does it work?

Matt|home: Yes it works. There is this one too. chocolatey.org

i'll take a loko at it when i have time, ty

np

not really just working on it with deep seek

polarian: right but I wanted to avoid compiling if possible