02:07:39 <adiabatic> I just upgraded to FreeBSD 15 with the usual <https://www.freebsd.org/releases/15.0R/installation/> but now, after the "reboot into a fully FreeBSD 15 installation" part, when I run `pkg update`, I get `ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libutil.so.9" not found, required by "pkg"`. What should I do now? Use `/usr/local/sbin/pkg-static install -f pkg` to install an updated version like ChatGPT suggests?
02:08:56 <SponiX> adiabatic: well running "pkg-static" should help resolve this...
02:09:22 <SponiX> I ran into that prior and wiped my whole install before someone told me pkg-static existed LOL
02:13:13 <adiabatic> well, I'm out of my depth again and I wanted to make sure I wasn't getting totally hallucinated recommendations, especially since I've never had this problem before with all my upgrades in the years prior…
02:14:15 <adiabatic> so I came in here, and thought "well, if 'you should at least go a cursory Google search' before asking is a thing, at least I should plug the problem into ChatGPT and see if it has an answer that passes a _basic_ sniff test"…
02:25:38 <adiabatic> interesting. seems like `pkg bootstrap -f` did the trick.
03:19:10 <SponiX> it wasn't " pkg-static bootstrap -f " ?
03:51:04 <MelMalik> I usually use pkg-static bootstrap -f in that case
03:51:37 <MelMalik> ChatGPT is not homomorphic with a Google search and it's dangerous to presume that it is
03:52:52 <scottpedia>  
04:07:02 <cpet> so chatgpt is bad and google is bad
04:09:06 <kenrap> chatgpt is worse, it legitimately makes people stupider
04:09:38 <cpet> itd all bad
04:10:27 <cpet> the way i see it if I need help with say regex where does it matter where I get the answer to my question ?
04:11:57 <cpet> shit prting mesen 2.x i fixed a few build issues by asking chatgpt
04:12:16 <TommyC> cpet: Google will give you results from other people (as wrong or right as it may be, usually things like StackOverflow's upvote/downvote system can filter that for you quite well). ChatGPT is using an Artificial Neural Network to guess and then generate text based on that guess.
04:13:15 <cpet> well i dont normally ask for help here so bleh
04:14:29 <TommyC> cpet: I'm just answering your question: "where does it matter where I get the answer to my question ?". My answer can be summarized as: a human gave you an answer and a prediction model gave you a guess. The choice is yours of course.
04:31:51 <cpet> if that guess helps me to go oh shit ok and fix the issue which has happened a few times with firewall issues
04:31:55 <adiabatic> SponiX: no. the messages that popped up while/after I upgraded said to use `pkg`
04:32:28 <cpet> adiabatic: pkg-static is more of a last resort
04:32:46 <cpet> adiabatic: kind of like my vps povider installing bash and making root's shell bash
04:32:48 <adiabatic> I would have figured a linker failure would have meant that `pkg` would be totally unusable, but guess not
04:32:57 <cpet> not realizing that booting into single user mode kind of fails
04:33:21 <cpet> adiabatic: a lot of time you have to "guess" to fix your issues
04:33:52 <cpet> adiabatic: also theres a reason why pkgsrc is still experimental
04:33:57 <cpet> er pkgbase
04:33:59 <adiabatic> does single-user mode just blindly use the default shell without making sure that the default shell is actually available in single-user mode?
04:34:09 <cpet> pretty much heh
04:34:19 <cpet> this is why you dont touch root's shell
04:34:46 <cpet> i told them to change the script to install bash-static instead
04:34:53 <adiabatic> this is why I haven't touched root's shell even though I prefer fish
04:35:10 <cpet> i just keep it at csh
04:36:56 <cpet> adiabatic: you can compile it staticly and copy it over to /bin
04:37:16 <cpet> but in reality you shouldnt touch root's shell
04:38:10 <cpet> /bin/sh is guaranteed to be available in single-user mode
04:38:10 <cpet> FreeBSD’s root shell defaults to /bin/sh because it is:
04:38:10 <cpet> statically linked or always present in the base system
04:38:10 <cpet> available even when /usr is not mounted
04:38:11 <cpet> required for emergency and single-user mode
04:38:15 <cpet> guess chatgpt is wrong
04:38:35 <matt|home> Hello.
04:38:42 <cpet> hello
04:38:50 <cpet> state question and take a number
04:39:07 <adiabatic> I assume '42' was taken decades ago?
04:39:42 <cpet> numbers reset every 24 hours
04:39:44 <matt|home> Nope. Just a bit homeless and having a hard time sleeping. Needed to see some human activity
04:40:40 <cpet> the other day when I was driving around the dogs saw someones askig for money gave them 20 bucks and he said oh shit im going to go get something to eat
04:40:43 <adiabatic> oh yeah, I got the runaround from ChatGPT a while back trying to figure out why I couldn't reinstall Debian (the actual fix was to update the bios from "ancient" to "renaissance") so I don't have all _that_ much confidence in its output without sanity checks
04:40:50 <cpet> i was impressed that he immediately went to go get something to eat
04:41:34 <cpet> adiabatic: it happens some people get butt hurt hen they didint know the answer and a AI did
04:42:04 <cpet> matt|home: are you a veteran by chance ?
04:42:37 <adiabatic> well, it's _hard_ not to get mogged at least _some_ of the time by the crystallized wisdom of the Internet
04:42:42 <matt|home> Nope. Don't want money, just hard to sleep in position
04:42:46 <cpet> matt|home: if you are you can have a place to stay for a week, and they have some services to help
04:44:01 <cpet> adiabatic: guess we need to add references to evrything now
04:44:07 <o0x1eef> Hey matt|home
04:44:15 <matt|home> In car. Family issues. Welp I can't sleep and it's close to midnight so tech talk I guess. If any of you are familiar with the modifications made to the PlayStation fbsd kernel, how extensive are they?
04:44:18 <matt|home> Hihi
04:44:29 <cpet> matt|home: i would ignore o0x1eef, he may call you handicapped for being homeless
04:44:38 <o0x1eef> >_>
04:44:53 <matt|home> https://ibb.co/dJP2jFL4 <== came out p cool
04:45:18 <cpet> i dont see anything
04:45:21 <matt|home> Yeah it doesn't matter I'm not capable of feeling anything right now, anyhoo
04:45:56 <cpet> you dont have any hand warmers ?
04:46:13 <matt|home> I like the idea of using fbsd for a console but supposedly it was only possible because of how much money sony threw at it for drivers. Anyone know if this is true?
04:46:36 <cpet> well
04:46:43 <matt|home> South Florida, it's p hot out rn
04:46:44 <cpet> i dont know if sony threw money at it
04:46:52 <cpet> i do know they used freebsd due to licensing
04:47:10 <cpet> GPL requires you to give back the src BSD license does not
04:47:30 <cpet> matt|home: it's 55 here dogs seem to like it i dont
04:47:47 <matt|home> I had an idea for a game console and really wanted to go with fbsd for it, but apparently there's just more Linux support for that sort of thing on an indie scale. Idk
04:47:49 <cpet> matt|home: mkes my knees and hand hurt, and neck
04:48:34 <adiabatic> matt|home: the kids (and everyone else these days) calls it the Gabecube
04:48:35 <cpet> matt|home: if you make a decent device with decent games
04:48:39 <cpet> the os shouldnt matter
04:48:39 <matt|home> Yeah I get that. Sadly I don't tolerate heat well and do a lot better in cold, which is very rare
04:49:33 <cpet> in theory most people dont really know what goes under neath
04:49:55 <matt|home> Well, it matters for the software. I really wanted to use monogame for the engine, it's not a complete requirement but it does several things I quite like
04:50:14 <matt|home> And I just dunno what support it has for bsds
04:50:17 <cpet> with time, money, you can pretyt much port anything
04:50:21 <matt|home> Sure
04:50:45 <cpet> some developers are ok with patches some are not
04:50:58 <matt|home> ... I have to pee -_- and I am in public so what the hell...
04:51:14 <cpet> i would just send it
04:51:16 * matt|home thinks
04:51:29 <cpet> funnel and bottle
04:52:20 <matt|home> There's a gas station p close to me open 24 hrs.. fam goes there tho on weekends so I'll wait a bit later
04:52:46 <cpet> cant piss in the car heh
04:53:02 <matt|home> What version are we up to.. I read in eliebe believe on register there was a recent major overhaul
04:53:03 <cpet> im not going to tell you how we piss in a tank ;/
04:53:07 <cpet> 15
04:53:58 <cpet> 15.0 we need to be careful now as some people get confused with .x and .n
04:54:39 <matt|home> If I have to I will, I'm not so upper class I won't accept plastic charity :p man.. I lucked out like you wouldn't believe
04:55:15 <matt|home> I had an older desktop which didn't have Microsofts new line of supported CPUs, and I'm stuck on 10 still
04:55:21 <cpet> just open the door and piss
04:55:55 <matt|home> But after reading about the utter travesty of this fckin AI nonsense and whatever the hell MSs business strategy is, I am so damn glad I wasn't forced to upgrade
04:56:38 <cpet> matt|home: just uninstall cortana using ccleaner
04:56:40 <cpet> :P
04:56:42 <matt|home> I'm not against AI, just against how were doing it
04:57:03 <cpet> im not against it cause it snot going any where
04:57:21 <cpet> if companies dont have to hire 500 people and can hire 40
04:57:24 <cpet> comanies will do it
04:57:32 <matt|home> No joke. Apparently there are severe issues in the 11 kernel which break UI, so start menu file explorer etc all crash tonbluesxree now
04:57:54 <cpet> thats cause of AI generated code
04:57:55 <matt|home> To blue screen*
04:58:30 <matt|home> Things AI is good for: protein folding. Secure captchas
04:58:34 <cpet> i played doom 3 for like 2 hours last night
04:58:37 <cpet> no issues
04:58:39 <matt|home> .......... I can't think of anything else :p
04:59:15 <matt|home> Ever play something called cyberpunk? 2077 specifically
04:59:21 <cpet> yeap
04:59:30 <cpet> i did not like it
04:59:51 <matt|home> My wife & sister were both racing about it, sadly my hardware doesn't support it and it was on sale some time ago
05:00:03 <cpet> time to buy new HW
05:00:10 <matt|home> Raving*
05:00:45 <matt|home> Not in this economy:p I got $1.11 USD to my name and that's going to breakfast tomorrow
05:01:10 <cpet> i have .17 cents :D
05:01:13 <matt|home> I was playing uh, a deus ex game the other day
05:01:26 <matt|home> Mixed feelings. I think I'm just bad at games -_-
05:01:41 <cpet> i used to goto churches and get some free meals
05:02:09 <cpet> it has taken me about 20+ years to beat FF7
05:02:46 <matt|home> I'm way overweight, they're not gonna give me anything I don't think.. I'll just use this as a weight loss trial~ hey question for ya
05:02:51 <cpet> freebsd has some decent games if you look at ports/games
05:03:03 <matt|home> Was just gonna bring that up lol
05:03:21 <cpet> nexuiz is a nice game
05:03:59 <matt|home> Was wondering if the games port was still active
05:04:05 <cpet> freebsd took away the games for i forget why
05:04:11 <cpet> but you can install bsdgames
05:04:19 <cpet> and play some old school console games
05:04:41 <matt|home> I forget what it was called but when I was a kid I played that stupid windows pinball game way too much
05:04:55 <cpet> they took out the insulting fortunes as well
05:04:58 <matt|home> Space escape or some nonsense I don't recall
05:05:02 <cpet> cause you know lets not upset people
05:05:06 <matt|home> Aww, laaaaame
05:05:52 <cpet> partly why they changed the logo as well
05:05:59 <matt|home> Yeah I'm not sleeping tonight -_- balls
05:06:06 <cpet> cause you know charlie posing in converse is thretening to some
05:06:10 <matt|home> No.
05:06:24 <matt|home> They didn't get rid of my precious demon you're lying ;_;
05:06:35 <cpet> yeap
05:06:41 <matt|home> Nooooooooo
05:06:51 <cpet> youll get ovr it man
05:07:16 <matt|home> He's still on the front page ? Ah whatever I hate this world
05:07:23 <cpet> hah
05:09:13 <matt|home> *yawn* fuck it, if I get into a fight tonight so be it. Need to hit up gas station. Thanks for humoring me cpet, take it easy /o
05:54:49 <shbrngdo> it's that time again, time to rebuild my server in a VM and then do a brain swap.  Installing 15.  Ran into a little glitching with manually partitioning, created ufs for boot+OS and swap, thenm rest zfs.  zfs did not mount on boot as part of /etc/fstab.  Did the zpool import and ended up re-creating it the eay I wanted anyway (had to export first, said 'belonged to another system') and then imported.  commented line
05:54:49 <shbrngdo> in fstab.  my experienc, once imported it should be available on boot.
05:55:42 <shbrngdo> so there is an edge case for ya, heh.  Using packages this time.  Trying jto have ports collection that matches, though, not always easy.
06:16:14 <rtprio> shbrngdo: you should never need anything in fstab regarding zfs
06:17:30 <rtprio> but you probably need zfs_enable=yes in rc.conf
06:20:47 <nwe> hey, does someone know when chromium will be avaiable as package in freebsd 15 ? looks like it failing to build or timing out.. https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/builds/default:default:headi386PR226685:2018-03-22_16h00m12s:package23 maybe I was to fast to upgrade to 15 when it came out. Because I had to wait a couple of week for it be avaiable in 14.X too.. because it also failed  pkg-status.freebsd.org
06:33:15 <rwp> A watched pot never boils and a watched build never completes successfully.  It will be ready when it is ready.
06:43:52 <MelMalik> wut
07:04:07 <deimosBSD> watched pots boil for me, not sure what laws of thermodynamcs you follow. ;)
07:05:32 <MelMalik> the pot doesn't care if it's being watched
07:16:21 <SomeVisitor> never heard of shy pots?
09:01:11 <darwin> if there was one thing I could change it'd be add 1 GB RAM huge-pages
09:29:49 <nxjoseph> pkg: wrong architecture: FreeBSD:14:amd64 instead of FreeBSD:14:i386
09:29:49 <nxjoseph> pkg: repository Poudriere contains packages with wrong ABI: FreeBSD:14:amd64
09:29:51 <nxjoseph> i'll go crazy
10:43:07 <mzar> Good Afternoon
10:43:22 <mzar> hello shbrngdo, are you still running FreeBSD ?
11:07:15 <Macer> 62.5T / 69.2T copied at 81.9M/s, 90.37% done, 23:42:03 to go
11:07:25 <Macer> i'm about to get some pompoms to cheer it on.
11:08:27 <MelMalik> I suggest instead taking a bike ride
11:15:11 <Macer> it's snowing.. hard
11:15:28 <Macer> the trials and tribulations of living in the north
11:31:35 <MelMalik> sleep?
11:32:24 <angry_vincent> with truss what is analog of `strace -k` ? if any
11:32:32 <angry_vincent> that is stack traces
12:48:18 <Macer> at least if this expansion works.. i know the disks that survived can do it. i have another drive to put in to expand it more so i'll have to do this all over again. i wonder if the reflow defragments free space
12:48:21 <Macer> probably not
12:49:08 <Macer> or maybe defragments blocks.. ie: puts them next to each other during the reflow instead of randomly putting them in free space
12:49:35 <Macer> i'd have to read up on how zfs expansion works. i wonder if there is a paper somewhere on it
13:11:21 <Demosthenex> i think it used to be once you made a vdev, you couldn't easily expand it
13:11:28 <Demosthenex> newer feature to do so
13:12:18 <Macer> yeah. i'm using it now on a vdev to add a drive.
13:12:24 <Macer> i'm just curious how it works.
13:12:46 <Macer> notably how it rearranges the data when it reflows
13:49:58 <futune> Macer, have you seen this picture? https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/raidz-expansion.png
13:50:25 <futune> that gives some intuition for the source and target states, at least
13:51:28 <futune> if you're asking how it is able to transform the source state to the target state without putting the pool in a potentially vulnerable state temporarily, I don't know...
14:26:31 <Macer> yes
14:26:58 <Macer> that was from the speech a few years ago
14:28:38 <Macer> but it was just a basic example. i'm just wondering if for instance you have a pool that has high free space fragmentation... after a reflow is most of that fragmentation eliminated since it reflows the entire pool (or vdev.. not sure if it does multiple vdevs for just one vdev)
14:28:53 <Macer> i'd guess maybe not with multiple vdevs and it just stays inside the vdev since you expand per vdev
14:30:05 <Macer> in my case i don't have high fragmentation for that particular pool
16:13:17 <angry_vincent> sorry, getting disconnects. how can i get stack traces for an application ? ( analog of linux `strace -k` )
16:15:09 <mzar> angry_vincent: you have ktrace(1) and truss(1), choose one
16:26:04 <angry_vincent> and how do i get stacke trace with truss? i did read man page and it has no stack trace mentioned
16:28:25 <kenrap> angry_vincent: https://www.freshports.org/sysutils/bstack ?
16:33:26 <kenrap> Other than that, dtrace would be your best bet, but it's only good for tracing C apps (and C++ if you demangle them) and it's a bit of a domain-specific language...
16:33:37 <Remilia> I think I got hit by https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=285853 on 15.0-RELEASE huh
16:34:36 <Remilia> https://i.koumakan.jp/2025-12-07/1765125132.png is the bootonly ISO starting in Hyper-V
17:33:26 <nn0328> How does your impression of FreeBSD compare to that of OpenBSD and NetBSD? And do you have any views on BSD compared to Linux or Mac?
17:37:24 <markmcb> Does anyone know if there are docs on how pkgmir.geo.freebsd.org works? I notice that if hit it from my laptop, I get a geographically close mirror in the US. If I hit it from my FreeBSD server, I get Japan and very slow results.
17:38:23 <markmcb> Interestingly, my server is just direct to my ISP. My laptop is on a VPN in the same city. I'm guessing logic somewhere is coming to very different conclusions about my location and the nearest mirror.
17:45:04 <Koston> markmcb: it reads on the frontpage: We use MaxMind GeoLite based geo-dns to choose a close mirror for you.
17:48:00 <zi> markmcb: what's your 'server' ip?
17:49:21 <zi> markmcb: feel free to /msg to me if you dont want to share with the class
17:52:49 <mzar> markmcb: it depends more on resolving DNS servers that you are using and their attitude to the IP of origin of the DNS query
17:56:01 <markmcb> Koston, thanks. I saw that. I just couldn't find any logic for how it works.
17:57:07 <markmcb> mzar, I see. afaik i'm using the same dns servers (mullvad 194.242.2.2) for both setups, but i'll check.
17:57:24 <markmcb> zi, sure, i'll message you
18:18:31 <markmcb> thanks mzar and zi for the quick insights. it seems dns was indeed the issue. changing to 1.1.1.1 results in me getting the actual closest mirror.
18:18:46 <mzar> OK
19:05:05 <vtorri> hello
19:05:18 <vtorri> is https://gist.github.com/matthewp/431e0c89d9492ea5601ce9c01a5676af a goodway to create a package ?
19:05:32 <vtorri> the project i want to package is thorvg
19:09:13 <sixpiece> hi I am having trouble with my freebsd server
19:09:22 <Koston> vtorri: maybe, if you have no intention of ever getting your package included in official Ports collection
19:09:36 <sixpiece> ok basically I cannot connect via ssh
19:10:07 <sixpiece> it's after I tried to upgrade to freebsd 15 then something may have gone wrong so I put the backup and have had issues since is there any way to get assistance on this?
19:10:22 <vtorri> and if i want to include it in official ports collection ?
19:10:30 <vtorri> is there any guide ?
19:10:37 <Koston> vtorri: then read the official porting guide
19:11:02 <otis> vtorri: "poudriere" is your friend.
19:11:02 <mzar> vtorri: https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/porters-handbook/
19:12:07 <mzar> sixpiece: you have to access the console to fix it
19:12:20 <vtorri> i'll look at that
19:12:47 <vtorri> thank you
19:13:35 <vtorri> btw, the project i want to package is thorvg
19:14:03 <Koston> first read the porters handbook and familiarise with the makefile system the Ports use. after that, poudriere will help you automating things
19:14:05 <mzar> there are thousands of examples in the ports tree, follow the handbook and you will be fine
19:14:31 <Koston> exactly, if you can't figure out something just look at other ports' makefiles
19:16:03 <vtorri> ok
19:16:41 <sixpiece> yes mzar I do have access to the console
19:17:08 <mzar> cool
19:17:18 <sixpiece> happy to say I have freebsd installed on my laptop haven't tested everything but most things are great have to just the webcam next
19:18:18 <Macer> i just noticed that after an expansion zfs does a scrub
19:18:22 <Macer> so it's a one two punch?
20:12:03 <cpet> zi: killed efnet
20:12:07 <cpet> zi: you bastard
20:12:23 <ek> Pure murder.
20:13:08 <cpet> no explaination, no oh we fucked up, nothing
20:13:18 <cpet> ek has been upset ever since
20:14:16 <ek> Nope. Just gone. And, it's been a while. Might've been a ddos or something and they just shut down instead of dealing with it. It'll likely pop back up at some point.
20:14:27 <ek> It is strange, though!
20:14:32 <cpet> yeah
20:14:41 <cpet> some rich person probably took it over
20:15:07 <cpet> i think it was ek
20:15:13 <ek> Haha. It's possible, but doubtful.
20:15:26 <cpet> it happened here it can happen there
20:15:55 <ek> Maybe EFnet just decided to merge with Libera.
20:16:06 <cpet> with the topic people
20:16:07 <cpet> :(
20:16:24 <ek> That's actually exactly what's happening right now with it down. All the users have trickled in.
20:17:01 <cpet> damn it
20:17:17 <ek> Frickin' IPv6 stopped working. I loathe Comcast so much.
20:17:28 <cpet> comcast sucks
20:17:41 <ek> It sucks bad.
20:17:42 <V_PauAmma_V> Uh? I'm on an EFnet chann... oh, IPv6. Not sure in that case.
20:17:43 <cpet> but not as bad as anythng operated by that other rich guy
20:18:50 <cpet> oh look that one dewd is back
20:19:03 <ek> V_PauAmma_V: You're connected to EFnet IRC right now? Which server?
20:19:15 <cpet> lies
20:19:24 <cpet> ek: never trust what V_PauAmma_V says
20:19:32 <ek> Haha.
20:19:37 <Matt|home> hello.
20:19:41 <cpet> ek: something about those two V_
20:19:59 <cpet> Matt|home: hi
20:20:02 <ek> Matt|home: Hiya.
20:21:22 <cpet> Matt|home: did you finally took a piss or have you held it for hours ?
20:21:56 <Matt|home> i went. two gas stations and bad luck. apparently both of them got "destroyed" shortly before my arrival. i was not happy.
20:22:35 <cpet> yeah kind of why most gas stations dont allow you to use the bathroom
20:22:44 <cpet> if you bomb it aleast clean it up
20:23:02 <V_PauAmma_V> ek, whichever server irc.efnet.org sent me to the last time I had to reconnect, which is no longer in my backscroll.
20:23:25 <rtj> elfnet?
20:23:35 <cpet> rtj: remeber efnet ?
20:23:38 <Matt|home> i get to have a very unpleasant chat with family today. might wind up kicking someone out, although i'd prefer not to.
20:23:56 <rtj> Good afternoon
20:24:10 <cpet> Matt|home: drugs are bad
20:24:22 <Matt|home> ... you know i take drugs right
20:24:24 <Matt|home> without them i die
20:24:27 <Matt|home> so no, drugs are good
20:24:35 <cpet> those arent drugs
20:24:37 <cpet> you weirdo
20:25:30 <cpet> ERROR :Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Connection timed out)
20:25:30 <cpet> Connection closed by foreign host.
20:25:33 <cpet> still dead
20:26:03 <V_PauAmma_V> "127.0.0.1"?
20:26:25 <cpet> yeah
20:26:36 <cpet> ek broke it
20:27:50 <V_PauAmma_V> Whatever.
20:37:23 <vkarlsen> cpet/ek: I'm there, it's not looking that bad: https://paste.karlsen.tech/?548235c1f389a19e#GqUyTwNPUHyTywh9gKPHPFUz2EsYw1W6HEWkPhE5CASS
20:52:28 <ek> vkarlsen: I think it's just the v6 servers that aren't working right now. I can ping v4 servers (sometimes) but get d/c'd as soon as I connect.
20:52:41 <ek> I'm not terribly worried about it. But #FreeBSDHelp was a fun little channel.
21:12:14 <Remilia> oh, devmatch_blocklist="hv_hid" fixed my woes with 15-RELEASE
21:14:18 <Remilia> …but only until I need to install a fresh copy I guess, since the install media won't be as pliable
21:14:53 <Remilia> it is a bit surprising that a RELEASE just outright panics on boot in Hyper-V
21:56:16 <JetpackJackson> so i installed yazi using pkg -M to skip installing the 6gb of optional nerd fonts, but now when i try to install or update certain packages, it tries to install nerd fonts, is there a way to tell pkg to not do that other than uninstalling yazi and installing it again afterwards?
22:10:28 <rtprio> nope
22:25:06 <JetpackJackson> Darn, alright
22:26:32 <JetpackJackson> I looked at how other linuxes and BSDs packaged it and they either didn't include nerd fonts (marked it as optional) or they included a symbols-only package of the font, should I make a request to change how the port is set up? Or should I just leave it be
22:34:59 <rtprio> you could always request it
22:42:45 <JetpackJackson> Would it be better to request the new font package or should I request that the optional deps for yazi to not be installed?
23:02:01 <ant-x> Hello, all. On my offline FreeBSD machine, the mailbox is filled with hundreds of cron messages titlted: /usr/libexec/sae-entropy and containing reports of successful execution. Is this the intended defatult behavior? I have not found a crontab file from which it is called in order to redirect 1>/dev/null to silence this...
23:02:42 <ant-x> * usr/libexec/save-entropy -- the title of the e-mails and probably the command of the cronjob .
23:12:15 <polarian> JetpackJackson: the optional dependencies will likely still be installed due to the nature of pkg iirc
23:12:26 <polarian> you could ask to compile the port without the optional dependencies
23:12:40 <polarian> not 100% sure :)
23:13:05 <polarian> it might already exist, if there is configuration for the package, you will get a ncurses UI to enable/disable features when you build from src
23:13:24 <polarian> git clone https://git.freebsd.org/src.git /usr/src
23:13:44 <polarian> then if you want the build to be automated but dont want to jail and stuff, portmaster is simple
23:13:48 <polarian> pkg install portmaster
23:19:47 <sixpiece> hello
23:20:06 <polarian> hi sixpiece
23:20:31 <sixpiece> hi polarian how are you?
23:20:47 <polarian> im good, thx, you?
23:22:02 <sixpiece> pretty good
23:23:06 <sixpiece> I want to go to dinner have so much to do as well like cleaning house, work, etc.. but I am trying to get my laptop that I just installed freebsd on to work in terms of the details most notably webcam and printer I think will be easier
23:23:56 <sixpiece> bluetooth could be cool then later I will do stuff like firewall I guess
23:34:22 <cpet> ant-x: man periodic.conf
23:34:46 <cpet> change all the mail peridocis to /path/to/file or /dev/null
23:35:07 <sixpiece> what are you up to polarian?
23:35:29 <sixpiece> the laptop finally works what a difference freebsd installation made
23:35:38 <sixpiece> but just a few things not working yet
23:35:58 <rtj> A little cleaning and a little hacking (not malicious)
23:36:16 <cpet> says the are tee jay
23:36:30 <rtj> Copious amounts of caffeine.
23:36:40 <cpet> this is good
23:36:50 <rtj> ;/
23:38:07 <Matt|home> god forbid microsoft adopt even a basic package manager -_- macos is interesting, i haven't used any of the new apple OS software since like the late 90s but it looks useful
23:40:45 <kenrap> Matt|home: they did, it's called "winget"
23:40:47 <sixpiece> I moved to freeBSD never to hear the word Microsoft again :) just joking
23:43:00 <Matt|home> does it work?
23:44:50 <rtj> Matt|home: Yes it works. There is this one too. https://chocolatey.org/
23:45:00 <Matt|home> i'll take a loko at it when i have time, ty
23:45:28 <rtj> np
23:45:43 <sixpiece> not really just working on it with deep seek
23:54:28 <JetpackJackson> polarian: right but I wanted to avoid compiling if possible