Macer: shouldn’t let your drives die like that

hello. i have an Ivy Bridge laptop, using integrated graphics; since updating to FreeBSD 15.0-Release, i no longer have graphics hardware acceleration, only software rendering. tried every version of drm-kmod available, doesn't help. anyone else have this issue? anyone know how to fix?

it was working before when still on 14.3-Release

Alright I did the bug report about the wifi and didn't die lol

˜/42

errr too many windows lol

seriously

CorvetteZR1: what cards and have you checked the hardware list?

it's the integrated graphics that comes with i7-3667U

dmidecode says?

dmidecode says what? what should i be looking for?

your cards?

this is in docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/x11/#x-graphic-card-drivers

pciconf -lv lists it as: device = '3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller'

the i915kms driver for this device comes with the drm-kmod driver which is installed

well then you have some debuging to do

yea, that's why i'm here :)

the i915kms driver is loaded, i get a display...i'm using hexchat and typing this from the said laptop. but without hardware acceleration...so, no opengl,vulkan,webgl

which was working ok in 14.3

how old is the devices? and you only posted one out of three lines of the four I got on six of my freebsd devices ^^

so just wondering; anyone else here using this kind of hardware and/or seen similar issue since updating to 15.0-Rel? known bug?

your search engine is your friend right now :P..

yea, i tried search engine, couldn't find much. this isn't a straight foward issue...it's either a bug in 15.0, wayland, or something more low level then i'm familiar with

I just updated FreeBSD for the first time and I broke my system

so an old x230?

pkg

ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libutil.so.9" not found, required by "pkg"

mr_sm1th: pkg-static

it's an x1 carbon gen1; same board as x230, yes

sudo

ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libutil.so.9" not found, required by "sudo"

mr_sm1th: man pkg-static

 pkg-static bootstrap -f ?

mr_sm1th: you tell me.. I have never had that problem

pkg: failed to extract pkg-static: Can't unlink already-existing object

Bootstrapping pkg from pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/kmods_quarterly_0, please wait...

pkg: Error fetching pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/kmods_quarterly_0/Latest/pkg.pkg: Not Found

A pre-built version of pkg could not be found for your system.

wrong setup of /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf

I think I just wasn't root

i have a feeling you have a L in there? :P

an and not l

when I try "pkg update" I get "pkg: Repository FreeBSD has a wrong packagesite, need to re-create database", "Unable to update repository FreeBSD", "Error updating repositories!"

yeah.. check your /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf

Wait... I'm not familiar with 15.0 pkg c onventions, but "quarterly" and "Katest" (or "latest") in the same URL feels wrong.

s/Kat/Lat/

yeah..

should I just nuke that file?

nuke all the files

ok nuking it seems to have worked

nice!

maybe in 30 years I'll be a good FreeBSD sysadmin

I think it's funny how analognowhere got me to try freebsd and now I love it

"No space left on device"

uh oh

How big is your drive

Maybe try cleaning the package cache? Idk

I'm not good at this

10GB apparantly

but it should be 20GB

asking ChatGPT how I can resize it

NAME SIZE ALLOC FREE CKPOINT EXPANDSZ FRAG CAP DEDUP HEALTH ALTROOT

zroot 18G 17.3G 767M - - 75% 95% 1.00x ONLINE -

oh boy

do you have any snapshots lingering that you can remove?

JetpackJackson: you know analognowhere, we hang out in #unix_surrealism

come join our weird chat

zfs list -H -t snapshot

Oh yeah I forgot about that chat

I'll join

oh I do

ok, if you don't think you'll be rolling back, you can remove them and reclaim some space

when you run freebsd-update, it takes snapshot automatically. in case update breaks stuff, you can boot to previous working version

that's nice

I am using Hetzner

but I see I can get 40GB for the same price I am paying now

I thought I was grandfathered in a good deal, turns I am grandfathered in a bad deal

nice after pkg update sudo works again!

cool!

Nice!

I need to head to bed, thanks guys

(guys m/f)

mr_sm1th: see ya

Having an odd issue...when I run `make installkernel` I get: Mounting from zfs:zroot/ROOT/default failed with error 45.

I can recover to the old boot environment due to different boot environments...but how do I fix this problem with a new kernel?

farhan: what is the difference between the new kernel and the old one? are you upgrading? did you change the kernel config?

no, no changes to the config. But I compiled with -O0

eliminated opitmizations...its a dev environment.

can you show the full output from the loader, the contents of /boot/loader.conf, and the kernel config (unless it's a stock config like GENERIC)?

sure...I believe its generic, but let me show just in case.

btw...i don't really know how to manage boot environments, so I don't know if booting into the old environment changes things...

so...let me boot into the working environment...not sure if that's what will help.

if you did not add a KERNCONF= to any config file you are using generic

I didn't.

then there s o point

ah..

the old generic kernel boots. yay. But I don't know why the new one doesn't.

hm...this worked on another machine. Not sure what is causing this.

I don't even understand the issue in order to fix it. It seems to be ZFS-related. ZFS bug?

chatgpt will lie to you and will not course correct when told

farhan: please show the output of the loader (during boot) and the contents of /boot/loader.conf (on the BE which isn't booting)

yes, one moment. I'll share the image (I cannot copy it)

also, I apologize for being short. Just a bit frustrated.

ivy: Please find the image I shared.

farhan: sorry, when i say "loader" i mean before the kernel boots - so every after when you press enter and before the start of the kernel output (Copyright (c) 1992-2025 The FreeBSD Project., etc)

it should include something like "Loading /boot/kernel/kernel"

is there a way to scroll up to capture that? It sorta rushes by.

let me see if I can do so quickly

err, I can use proxmox's suspend feature.

i forget how the default loader menu does this, but if you put beastie_disable=NO into /boot/loader.conf, it'll wait for 10 seconds after loading everything and before booting

er, =YES i mean, not =NO

so, boot into the old kernel, put beastie_disable=YES, reboot into old kernel, that'll give me time to grab a screenshot.

yes, if it works you won't get the graphical boot menu, just some text saying what it's doing then the press enter to boot print

This looks like it: postimg.cc/LYRtZFGB/d68cb8d0

farhan: that's right, but that looks fine. can you boot to the mountroot> prompt now and type '?' and show what it says? i would ask for a full dmesg, but i suppose that's diffiult to capture over a video console...

When it fails to boot and drops me to mountpoint>, typing will give me gpt/zfs0 gpt/swap0 gpt/gptboot0 ada0p3 ada0p2 ada0p1 ada0 iso9660/16_0_CURRENT_AMD64_BO cd0

I think I typed that correctly.

are both BEs running the same FreeBSD version?

(also, which version?)

16.0-CURRENT, I believe they're the same...I can verify.

NO!

They aren't!

wait...before I say that so definitively, let me double-check...not sure which repo I cloned.

How do I boot back into the old kernel without a beastie menu? ):

there's a loader variable you need to change... one sec, let me find what it is

farhan: interrupt the prompt (press space), 'unload kernel', then 'set currdev=zfs:zroot/ROOT/thebename:' (note trailing colon), 'load /boot/kernel/kernel', 'load /boot/kernel/zfs.ko', 'boot'

that seems to boot the new kernel, which is not working.

let me try /boot/kernel/kernel.old

cannot find /boot/kernel/kernel.old or /boot/kernel.old/kernel

okay...I'm mistaken. When I run load /boot/kernel.old,, I am told "kernel already loaded". But when I load /boot/kernel.old/zfs.ko, it says "kernel exists but wrong version.

sorry, try "unload" instead of "unload kernel"

done.

now I presume I can load /boot/kernel.old/kernel?

if you set currdev correctly it should pick up the kernel from that BE... but yes, you could try kernel.old

that did it...

you are correct, my hero and helper.

I was using old kernel source.

but that didn't fix the original problem, did it? or did you find what was wrong?

It appears that the issue, at least based on what you said, was an old kernel source against a new install. I was progbably using 15-CURRENT source from a few months ago on 16.0. I checked, its about 5 months old.

ah, then probably the issue is the zfs pool was too new for the old kernel

listen...thank you for walking me through that.

I would *never* have figured that out from the mountroot> prompt

Gotta put this 2 year old to sleep, brb

farhan: fwiw, this discussion prompted me to finally look at why we don't have a loader command to switch BEs, so thanks :-)

we do have a boot menu which allows us to boot alternative BE's

thank you :)

I wonder if its possible to provide the installation process with a script or URL to a script to execute a series of commands...

I always end up doing it manually.

farhan: there is a way to run bsdinstall unattended, but that's the limit of what i know about that... i remember there was someone in here that does that

I just looked it up, it is a *lot* of steps.

I believe the guide requires you to download the ISO image, load it, update/add a script, rebuild the ISO and use that.

pretty much

you can do it with nanobsd as well

I'm thinking an option/flag that accepts a script URL.

farhan: if this is for VMs, have you considered using the VM image with cloud-init? we support that in base now

perhaps something that searches for a webserver on whatever IPv4 calls their fe80 addresses.

oh? not familiar with that.

cloud-init is the standard way to do automated setup of VMs, you provide some metadata to the hypervisor which makes it available to the VM, then a guest agent in the VM does whatever the init data says to do (typically things like adding users / packages, but i think it can run scripts)

wonder if proxmox can do that.

farhan: look at the installerconfig file

Is there a guide on this process? I am brand spanking new :)

I guess you have another cloudinit drive that is mounted?

you write a script that is loaded by bsdinstall

and you sit back and watch it do its thing

i've never used Proxmox, but does this help? pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Cloud-Init_Support

ahh...I think I got it...

hm...i added a cloud-init, updated the values. I was expecting it to "just work", but that didn't seem to happen.

note that for cloud-init you'll want to use the VM images, not the installer ISO... for unattended bsdinstall you'd still use the installer (probably)

ahhh...

cloud-init is very difficult to use...

at least on aws

best not to use it if a user-data script suffices your use cage

case*

scottpedia: I might have to, but I think using that as a fall-back is an anti-pattern.

>>> World built in 1807 seconds, ncpu: 16, make -j16

so when I do a new install I like to change newsyslog and syslog to change the log files to all end in .log this makes truncating easier, however i find it interest that newsyslog has a newsyslog.conf.d while syslogd has syslog.d

cpet: that is a pretty good build time. What type of system is that on?

1800 seconds seems about typical for a 16-core system, i get ~2800 seconds with 8 cores, but they're quite slow cores (2.6GHz)

rwp: right you are. hitting '2' repeatedly cycles through the BE list

the menu is a bit strange, it has third entry listed as "bootfs: zroot/ROOT/default" and if you hit 3, the active changes back to that. no idea what the purpose of that entry is actually supposed to be; I thought the menu was buggy and was just failing to properly list the rest of the BEs

Koston: ah right, and this would explain why trying to install in a jail it will fail I assume?

install: /usr/local/jails/containers/lbmk/usr/tests/lib/libmd: No such file or directory

wtf?

welp I will just make the directory myself, but how come the Makefile cant handle this

install: /usr/local/jails/containers/lbmk/usr/include/private/samplerate: No such file or directory

and another missing directory...

this is 14.3-RELEASE and one of the patch releases, going to 15.0-RELEASE

the other jail I updated worked first try

install: /usr/local/jails/containers/lbmk/usr/include/private/yaml: No such file or directory

okay this is getting ridiculous

what do you do if theres missing directories then?

Under FreeBSD 15, during boot, after having "Setting hostname: xxx" in my dmesg output, I have few repeated lines with: "mixer: 100:100: no such device", this is a remote web server and I don't need any audio/sound card features. Any idea on how to prevent/disable this message?

Upgrading from 14.3 to 15.0-RELEASE, is it needed to do Bootcode Upgrade and also "zpool upgrade zroot" ?

(extra question^^)

tercal to have latest zfs features yes

zpool upgrade will tell you if you need to upgrade

rtprio: ???

this is missing dirs when installing 15.0-RELEASE

right now I am reunning make install over and over again making the missing dirs myself

polarian: run zpool status -v

ohhh sorry

tercal: you do not necessarily have to upgrade your zpool from the upgrade. the one in 14.3 should work more than dandy

if you upgrade you can't go back :)

ah

well.. you can't go back to something running a version of zfs that doesn't support the flags on the pool

would going back ever be needed? I wonder

if whole the upgrade went smooth and so

i think the bigger issue would be if you wanted to yank the disks and migrate to something else that doesn't or can't run a later version of zfs

like an appliance or something

so you wouldn't be able to import the pool

or if you have another nas running an older version of fbsd.. that would require upgrading to newer zfs before importing the pool

so just eliminate that use case.. but Macer is right, once you upgrade to 15.0 version of openzfs you can not go back

Got it, thank you all!

voy4g3r2: zpool updates does not explain missing dirs

lol

missing directories?

polarian: i got your question and tercal question mixed up :)

🤔

hence ohh sorry right after

why are you missing directories?

voy4g3r2: oh right

np

Macer: fuck knows

14.3-RELEASE --> 15.0-RELEASE and make install keeps failing due to missing directories

when I did this for my other jail it worked first time, but for some reason this jail is missing tons of dirs which make install seems to expect?

Ive had to mkdir and run it again like 20-30 times now

are you able to roll back the jail BEFORE your 15.0 and try again?

when i get into the situation you have. and running 20+ times you are just spinning your wheels and there is probably a variable that is NOT possible to figure out

voy4g3r2: its not missing dirs after the update

its during

make install using precompiled 15.0 used for my host and numerous jails

the other jails didnt have this issue

you going down old school route of upgrading freebsd-update or trying to the pkg option

its almost always in /usr/tests

where dirs are missing and install fails

due to missing directory

voy4g3r2: old school

oh neither

i take it just adding them with mkdir -p doesn't work :)

sorry

from src

voy4g3r2: no that is working but each time I got to restart make install

before you do the make install do you do a make clean? since you have been running this a few times? weird questions, just trying to get some context

shit I know what I did :)

I forgot the world :)

well pinky and the brain may not like the competition

so oops :)

it happens

I wonder how make install and make installworld differ

build(7) doesnt really say

that is outside of my expertise

which does not say much as i do not do a build of OS like you are.. i just stand up top of greatness and do my thing

make installworld DESTDIR=/path/to/jail

isley: I know that lol

I was an idiot this morning and forgot the world :P

it's okay I just fucked around for an hour with syslogd to find out it was something equally silly

Under FreeBSD 14.3, I was using mariadb105-server-10.5.29_1 - after upgrading to 15-RELEASE, "pkg check" reports:

mariadb105-client is missing a required shared library: libcrypto.so.30, libgssapi.so.10, libssl.so.30....

And obviously MariaDB server does not start now. "pkg search mariadb" reports minimum version as: mariadb106-server-10.6.23 - so 10.5.x seems removed under FreeBSD 15? Any idea would be much appreciated.

upgrade to 10.6? or even better 11 or 12? 10.5 is eol.

isley: I think I will do so, backing /var/db/mysql up right now

tercal: a pkg upgrade should fix that.. it looks like 10.11 is available on freshports.org

voy4g3r2: It really did not :/

Did "pkg delete mariadb105-server mariadb105-client" and installing a newer one.

geez, freebsd + xorg + i3 + a few desktop apps incl firefox manages to fill about 8GB of memory

I will blame firefox for most of it

arc cache also has some

but afaik arc will shrink itself if memory is running otu

out*

yeah, the arc is supposed to respond to pressure to give some back

how's 15.0 doing now that it's been out for a few days? more stable or buggy than 14.0?

been fine for me.

kerneldove: been stable

things feel slightly faster too, but I think this is just in my head

Any idea where I can find or some place to turn on logging for nfs4 for the server side? Trying to understand why I'm getting permisison denied errors.

glad to hear it's going well for others too

kerneldove: are you going to give it a try ?

already have

most of my boxes are on 15 now

yours?

I have been using stable/15 since September

\o/

Hohum, when were the trusted CAs in /usr/share/certs added to FreeBSD? I see certctl was added in 12.2, but I cannot tell if the certs were added at the same time. The revision text is confusing and contradicts itself.

anyone install freebsd on mikrotik hardware?

it's really good hardware but routerOS has some dumb software limitations. would be great to use freebsd instead

Ltning: f27f39db is the first commit that adds secure/caroot/trusted

meh looks spotty

i shoulda built my own router hardware instead of buying mikrotik

I'm still sad that both Soekris and PCEngines gave up building high quality, small footprint fanless boxes that were ideal for a freebsd router

for a home/hobby router anyway

Koston: Seems like it was merged in 13.0?

Is there an obvious cause if I'm seeing very high interrupt usage on CPU, but little to nothing from my processes?

seems to vary between 75% and 100%, with almost no CPU usage by anything else

(this is in top)

Network or disk I/O going on?

disk not that systat -vmstat says. the interrupts I see are all xen related

cow, daefr, prcfr

ok, those are related to virtual memory

Sorry, I have no idea about xen :(

is Xen still a thing ?

I have read about Xen. It's in the old history books next to acoustic modems.

Even Amazon switched away from Xen and over to KVM almost a decade ago: theregister.com/2017/11/07/aws_writ…ervisor_to_make_its_cloud_go_faster

I want to make sure I have this clear. When messing with the pkg base install, I don't run "freebsd-update". I just run pkg update/upgrade and it'll take care of everything.

it could be still in use, but FreeBSD userbase was rather narrow

beowuff: you abosolutely don't have to run freebsd-update (does it ever exist ?)

I did an upgrade from 14 to 15 and freebsd-update is still there and runs.

yes, you are not on pkgbase

is stderr considered output just like stdout is? or a different category entirely?

OMG, yes, you are right. That was my other box. XD

what are some good usb wifi adapters for freebsd? these realtek ones are so flaky its extremely frustrating

I need a nap.

good night beowuff

Actually, I'm going to go wipe and reload that 14 to 15 box. It'll make a nice end to my day. :D

Just curious. What is the legitimate write speed of an smr drive?

i always do fresh installs between major versions. i only do upgrades for minor and patch level

i just did a fresh install of 15 on my nas that i have been upgrading since 8.0... time to clear out the cruft.

kerneldove: oh interesting

How do you backup your files and configs beforehand?

ya so i fresh reinstalled all my 14.x machines to 15.0, but i'll upgrade 15.0 to 15.0-p# and 15.1 in place

i have conventions to make that all easy. i try to treat machines as basically disposable

if i can't turn and burn a machine fast, without losing any data and all that obvious stuff, i see it as a problem

JetpackJackson: i have a NFS that I use as a backup

Ah

FreeBSD handles upgrades quite good, so we don't have to reinstall with each major upgrade

ya it's not required i just like to

it also keeps me agile

JetpackJackson: server in a mini PC with a mirror zfs so it's good enough

i dont customize that much besides changing all the logs to end in .log and motd

the rest is so small changes that i dont bothr to backup

how do you change all logs to end in .log? sounds nice

edit /etc/newsyslog.conf

edit /etc/syslogd.conf

edit /etc/crontab

add in -C -a /var/backups

then restart syslogd

-a moves all the backups to /var/bacups instead of having 3493490432 compressed files

i like my system organized

the reason why I change the logs to end in .log as sometimes I need to debug and its nice to have clean logs to debug

truncate -s0 *.log

makes it easy

this way the only lines in thsoe logs are the ones you need to figure out why nsd doesnt load up

Interesting

Gah curse this slow WiFi adapter

Making this update take forever

Switching the media server to 15, doing pkgbase and then switching to latest

Well it could've been worse

funny how people thing wifi is slow when i used to download freebsd on dialup

cpet, nothing compares to the bandwithd of a truck filled with HDDs.

Slow! Back in my day I used to buildworld 5.0-CURRENT on a 350mhz packard bell!

gcc is slow like cold honey. Which compiler does FreeBSD use?

Pentium III or Pentium II ?

clang

When my group set up our first server (Debian, x386 DX2) in 1995, we took the machine across town by car because our campus internet was below T1 speed.

ant-x: yeap I ran it on a cyris 166mhz PC

cyrix*

I remember T1 from the napster days :)

I didn't get anything faster than dialup in my home town until late 2001.

cpet nice idea on easy truncate

o0x1eef, those were the best days. long before the internet became mostly lame

There I was, downloading 14mb real media episodes of dbz over dialup.

Agreed!

kerneldove: you mean stupid

eh?

the internet has become stupid

not lame

whatever

stupid? is that what you'd call AI slop, the METAVERSE, and whatever has happened to twitter? oh, wait, nevermind...

Back then the internet was more academic. Nowadays it is pure capitalism.

isley: i miss those days when you logged into a BBS and read some things played some tui games then logged out and actually played outside

isley: yeap

i miss when the internet was only smart techies and not phone posting apes

but atleast it's being used to enslave said apes so there's upside

I don't mind that as much as the monopolies and power being centralized in the hands of a few, things the internet were designed to fight against but in the end fell over to

mass extinction events cant come soon enough

ya thanks to patent trolls and other things

i do not like to use the phone, my speach is all messed up and my hand have arithritis and carpal tunnel

half the reason why I mispell so much heh

at least you have an excuse. i'm just illiterate.

isley: careful some peole in here will call you handicapped for that

At least your memory is working pretty well :)

how are you illiterate but using IRC?

ant-x, freebsd uses clang, also pretty slow

depending on language either are slow

compiling c++ is much slower than C

even if C++ specific features are not used?

yeap

C++ build times are why google created Go

yeap and I dont use Go cause google created it

or any language that has a site with precompiled modules

so this includes python, perl, rusy, go

I think Tiny C Compiler is 100-1000 times faster.

i mean I built world in 30 mins

But questionable suitability.

now if you are a developer sure, if you compile BitchX every so often dont see why it matters really

now I dont know how using intel compilter will give you more optimized code than using clang

but i could I could test

however it wont build world or the kernel

well theres no port for it

so you would have to port it first seeing how its a compiler im sure that a goo reason why we dont have it

yeah i never had any big issues using freebsd-update

as long as you follow the handbook instructions it works just fine

have they even released a patch yet? i'm kind of wondering why zfs is still 2.4-RC

# zfs --version

zfs-2.4.0-rc4-FreeBSD_g099f69ff5

Is there a feature that is missing that you need? If it provides you with all of the features you need and use the it doesn't really matter. As the bard Shakespeare said, "Enough is equal to a feast."

Is this a mistake?

shouldn't it be "https:// instead of  "pkg+https:/

mr_sm1th, No, pkg uses pkg protocol over http and so pkg+https is correct there.

Take a peek in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf and look at the file included in base.