00:14:08 Macer: shouldn’t let your drives die like that 00:15:47 hello. i have an Ivy Bridge laptop, using integrated graphics; since updating to FreeBSD 15.0-Release, i no longer have graphics hardware acceleration, only software rendering. tried every version of drm-kmod available, doesn't help. anyone else have this issue? anyone know how to fix? 00:16:08 it was working before when still on 14.3-Release 00:26:25 Alright I did the bug report about the wifi and didn't die lol 00:32:27 ˜/42 00:32:42 errr too many windows lol 00:32:48 seriously 00:38:39 CorvetteZR1: what cards and have you checked the hardware list? 00:39:06 https://www.freebsd.org/releases/15.0R/hardware/ 00:41:08 it's the integrated graphics that comes with i7-3667U 00:41:52 https://www.freebsd.org/releases/15.0R/relnotes/ 00:42:02 dmidecode says? 00:43:20 dmidecode says what? what should i be looking for? 00:44:11 your cards? 00:47:30 this is in https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/x11/#x-graphic-card-drivers 00:48:31 pciconf -lv lists it as: device = '3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller' 00:49:08 the i915kms driver for this device comes with the drm-kmod driver which is installed 00:52:02 well then you have some debuging to do 00:52:11 yea, that's why i'm here :) 00:52:52 the i915kms driver is loaded, i get a display...i'm using hexchat and typing this from the said laptop. but without hardware acceleration...so, no opengl,vulkan,webgl 00:53:10 which was working ok in 14.3 00:53:54 how old is the devices? and you only posted one out of three lines of the four I got on six of my freebsd devices ^^ 00:53:58 so just wondering; anyone else here using this kind of hardware and/or seen similar issue since updating to 15.0-Rel? known bug? 00:55:00 your search engine is your friend right now :P.. 00:55:25 https://dpaste.com/CYXHS9DJ9 00:56:21 yea, i tried search engine, couldn't find much. this isn't a straight foward issue...it's either a bug in 15.0, wayland, or something more low level then i'm familiar with 00:56:35 I just updated FreeBSD for the first time and I broke my system 00:56:36 so an old x230? 00:56:40 pkg 00:56:40 ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libutil.so.9" not found, required by "pkg" 00:56:48 mr_sm1th: pkg-static 00:56:58 it's an x1 carbon gen1; same board as x230, yes 00:57:06 sudo 00:57:07 ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libutil.so.9" not found, required by "sudo" 00:57:21 mr_sm1th: man pkg-static 00:57:30 pkg-static bootstrap -f ? 00:57:45 mr_sm1th: you tell me.. I have never had that problem 00:58:03 pkg: failed to extract pkg-static: Can't unlink already-existing object 00:58:03 Bootstrapping pkg from pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/kmods_quarterly_0, please wait... 00:58:04 pkg: Error fetching https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/kmods_quarterly_0/Latest/pkg.pkg: Not Found 00:58:04 A pre-built version of pkg could not be found for your system. 00:59:32 wrong setup of /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf 00:59:43 I think I just wasn't root 00:59:54 i have a feeling you have a L in there? :P 01:00:02 an and not l 01:01:39 when I try "pkg update" I get "pkg: Repository FreeBSD has a wrong packagesite, need to re-create database", "Unable to update repository FreeBSD", "Error updating repositories!" 01:01:58 yeah.. check your /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf 01:02:08 Wait... I'm not familiar with 15.0 pkg c onventions, but "quarterly" and "Katest" (or "latest") in the same URL feels wrong. 01:02:24 s/Kat/Lat/ 01:02:32 yeah.. 01:03:09 should I just nuke that file? 01:03:45 https://gist.githubusercontent.com/louwers/730419a8cab6a8fd3e7eb22d9e4e3794/raw/f286c8edd48959a55116f2e12e72639e67f9d0a7/gistfile1.txt 01:03:48 nuke all the files 01:04:31 ok nuking it seems to have worked 01:05:32 nice! 01:05:57 maybe in 30 years I'll be a good FreeBSD sysadmin 01:06:25 I think it's funny how analognowhere got me to try freebsd and now I love it 01:06:39 "No space left on device" 01:06:43 uh oh 01:08:10 How big is your drive 01:08:38 Maybe try cleaning the package cache? Idk 01:08:44 I'm not good at this 01:08:47 10GB apparantly 01:08:59 but it should be 20GB 01:09:07 asking ChatGPT how I can resize it 01:09:23 NAME SIZE ALLOC FREE CKPOINT EXPANDSZ FRAG CAP DEDUP HEALTH ALTROOT 01:09:24 zroot 18G 17.3G 767M - - 75% 95% 1.00x ONLINE - 01:09:27 oh boy 01:09:38 do you have any snapshots lingering that you can remove? 01:10:09 JetpackJackson: you know analognowhere, we hang out in #unix_surrealism 01:10:18 come join our weird chat 01:10:21 zfs list -H -t snapshot 01:11:17 Oh yeah I forgot about that chat 01:11:21 I'll join 01:11:21 oh I do 01:12:08 ok, if you don't think you'll be rolling back, you can remove them and reclaim some space 01:12:53 when you run freebsd-update, it takes snapshot automatically. in case update breaks stuff, you can boot to previous working version 01:13:54 that's nice 01:13:59 I am using Hetzner 01:14:12 but I see I can get 40GB for the same price I am paying now 01:14:22 I thought I was grandfathered in a good deal, turns I am grandfathered in a bad deal 01:14:46 nice after pkg update sudo works again! 01:16:07 cool! 01:17:13 Nice! 01:17:55 I need to head to bed, thanks guys 01:18:22 (guys m/f) 01:19:52 mr_sm1th: see ya 01:27:43 Having an odd issue...when I run `make installkernel` I get: Mounting from zfs:zroot/ROOT/default failed with error 45. 01:27:58 I can recover to the old boot environment due to different boot environments...but how do I fix this problem with a new kernel? 01:28:57 farhan: what is the difference between the new kernel and the old one? are you upgrading? did you change the kernel config? 01:30:37 no, no changes to the config. But I compiled with -O0 01:30:49 eliminated opitmizations...its a dev environment. 01:31:22 can you show the full output from the loader, the contents of /boot/loader.conf, and the kernel config (unless it's a stock config like GENERIC)? 01:31:35 sure...I believe its generic, but let me show just in case. 01:31:59 btw...i don't really know how to manage boot environments, so I don't know if booting into the old environment changes things... 01:32:21 so...let me boot into the working environment...not sure if that's what will help. 01:33:23 if you did not add a KERNCONF= to any config file you are using generic 01:33:29 I didn't. 01:33:36 then there s o point 01:34:06 ah.. 01:34:24 the old generic kernel boots. yay. But I don't know why the new one doesn't. 01:35:42 hm...this worked on another machine. Not sure what is causing this. 01:39:16 I don't even understand the issue in order to fix it. It seems to be ZFS-related. ZFS bug? 01:39:31 chatgpt will lie to you and will not course correct when told 01:39:48 farhan: please show the output of the loader (during boot) and the contents of /boot/loader.conf (on the BE which isn't booting) 01:41:28 yes, one moment. I'll share the image (I cannot copy it) 01:43:26 also, I apologize for being short. Just a bit frustrated. 01:44:37 https://postimg.cc/yJ8p399x 01:44:45 ivy: Please find the image I shared. 01:45:52 farhan: sorry, when i say "loader" i mean before the kernel boots - so every after when you press enter and before the start of the kernel output (Copyright (c) 1992-2025 The FreeBSD Project., etc) 01:46:33 it should include something like "Loading /boot/kernel/kernel" 01:46:34 is there a way to scroll up to capture that? It sorta rushes by. 01:46:44 let me see if I can do so quickly 01:47:23 err, I can use proxmox's suspend feature. 01:48:12 i forget how the default loader menu does this, but if you put beastie_disable=NO into /boot/loader.conf, it'll wait for 10 seconds after loading everything and before booting 01:48:20 er, =YES i mean, not =NO 01:49:55 so, boot into the old kernel, put beastie_disable=YES, reboot into old kernel, that'll give me time to grab a screenshot. 01:50:39 yes, if it works you won't get the graphical boot menu, just some text saying what it's doing then the press enter to boot print 01:51:17 This looks like it: https://postimg.cc/LYRtZFGB/d68cb8d0 01:53:00 farhan: that's right, but that looks fine. can you boot to the mountroot> prompt now and type '?' and show what it says? i would ask for a full dmesg, but i suppose that's diffiult to capture over a video console... 01:53:59 When it fails to boot and drops me to mountpoint>, typing will give me gpt/zfs0 gpt/swap0 gpt/gptboot0 ada0p3 ada0p2 ada0p1 ada0 iso9660/16_0_CURRENT_AMD64_BO cd0 01:54:12 I think I typed that correctly. 01:55:02 are both BEs running the same FreeBSD version? 01:55:08 (also, which version?) 01:56:20 16.0-CURRENT, I believe they're the same...I can verify. 01:56:39 NO! 01:56:41 They aren't! 01:56:58 wait...before I say that so definitively, let me double-check...not sure which repo I cloned. 01:57:12 How do I boot back into the old kernel without a beastie menu? ): 01:59:24 there's a loader variable you need to change... one sec, let me find what it is 02:01:49 farhan: interrupt the prompt (press space), 'unload kernel', then 'set currdev=zfs:zroot/ROOT/thebename:' (note trailing colon), 'load /boot/kernel/kernel', 'load /boot/kernel/zfs.ko', 'boot' 02:02:38 that seems to boot the new kernel, which is not working. 02:02:45 let me try /boot/kernel/kernel.old 02:03:46 cannot find /boot/kernel/kernel.old or /boot/kernel.old/kernel 02:05:24 okay...I'm mistaken. When I run load /boot/kernel.old,, I am told "kernel already loaded". But when I load /boot/kernel.old/zfs.ko, it says "kernel exists but wrong version. 02:06:36 sorry, try "unload" instead of "unload kernel" 02:06:50 done. 02:06:57 now I presume I can load /boot/kernel.old/kernel? 02:07:23 if you set currdev correctly it should pick up the kernel from that BE... but yes, you could try kernel.old 02:07:25 that did it... 02:07:51 you are correct, my hero and helper. 02:07:55 I was using old kernel source. 02:08:42 but that didn't fix the original problem, did it? or did you find what was wrong? 02:11:33 It appears that the issue, at least based on what you said, was an old kernel source against a new install. I was progbably using 15-CURRENT source from a few months ago on 16.0. I checked, its about 5 months old. 02:11:53 ah, then probably the issue is the zfs pool was too new for the old kernel 02:12:06 listen...thank you for walking me through that. 02:12:16 I would *never* have figured that out from the mountroot> prompt 02:12:40 Gotta put this 2 year old to sleep, brb 02:50:38 farhan: fwiw, this discussion prompted me to finally look at why we don't have a loader command to switch BEs, so thanks :-) 02:54:56 we do have a boot menu which allows us to boot alternative BE's 02:58:29 thank you :) 02:58:49 I wonder if its possible to provide the installation process with a script or URL to a script to execute a series of commands... 02:58:56 I always end up doing it manually. 02:59:31 farhan: there is a way to run bsdinstall unattended, but that's the limit of what i know about that... i remember there was someone in here that does that 03:00:29 I just looked it up, it is a *lot* of steps. 03:01:03 https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/stand/forth/menu-commands.4th 03:02:30 I believe the guide requires you to download the ISO image, load it, update/add a script, rebuild the ISO and use that. 03:03:02 pretty much 03:03:18 you can do it with nanobsd as well 03:03:57 I'm thinking an option/flag that accepts a script URL. 03:04:36 farhan: if this is for VMs, have you considered using the VM image with cloud-init? we support that in base now 03:04:50 perhaps something that searches for a webserver on whatever IPv4 calls their fe80 addresses. 03:05:00 oh? not familiar with that. 03:05:43 cloud-init is the standard way to do automated setup of VMs, you provide some metadata to the hypervisor which makes it available to the VM, then a guest agent in the VM does whatever the init data says to do (typically things like adding users / packages, but i think it can run scripts) 03:07:19 wonder if proxmox can do that. 03:12:13 farhan: look at the installerconfig file 03:12:45 Is there a guide on this process? I am brand spanking new :) 03:12:54 I guess you have another cloudinit drive that is mounted? 03:13:33 you write a script that is loaded by bsdinstall 03:13:39 and you sit back and watch it do its thing 03:13:42 i've never used Proxmox, but does this help? https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Cloud-Init_Support 03:18:07 ahh...I think I got it... 03:18:57 hm...i added a cloud-init, updated the values. I was expecting it to "just work", but that didn't seem to happen. 03:19:01 note that for cloud-init you'll want to use the VM images, not the installer ISO... for unattended bsdinstall you'd still use the installer (probably) 03:19:08 ahhh... 03:29:40 cloud-init is very difficult to use... 03:29:45 at least on aws 03:30:05 best not to use it if a user-data script suffices your use cage 03:30:08 case* 03:49:44 scottpedia: I might have to, but I think using that as a fall-back is an anti-pattern. 04:57:45 >>> World built in 1807 seconds, ncpu: 16, make -j16 05:09:26 so when I do a new install I like to change newsyslog and syslog to change the log files to all end in .log this makes truncating easier, however i find it interest that newsyslog has a newsyslog.conf.d while syslogd has syslog.d 06:09:00 cpet: that is a pretty good build time. What type of system is that on? 06:09:48 1800 seconds seems about typical for a 16-core system, i get ~2800 seconds with 8 cores, but they're quite slow cores (2.6GHz) 07:51:09 rwp: right you are. hitting '2' repeatedly cycles through the BE list 07:53:24 the menu is a bit strange, it has third entry listed as "bootfs: zroot/ROOT/default" and if you hit 3, the active changes back to that. no idea what the purpose of that entry is actually supposed to be; I thought the menu was buggy and was just failing to properly list the rest of the BEs 10:35:31 Koston: ah right, and this would explain why trying to install in a jail it will fail I assume? 11:00:30 install: /usr/local/jails/containers/lbmk/usr/tests/lib/libmd: No such file or directory 11:00:32 wtf? 11:01:38 welp I will just make the directory myself, but how come the Makefile cant handle this 11:05:23 install: /usr/local/jails/containers/lbmk/usr/include/private/samplerate: No such file or directory 11:05:26 and another missing directory... 11:06:00 this is 14.3-RELEASE and one of the patch releases, going to 15.0-RELEASE 11:06:06 the other jail I updated worked first try 11:07:35 install: /usr/local/jails/containers/lbmk/usr/include/private/yaml: No such file or directory 11:07:39 okay this is getting ridiculous 11:07:46 what do you do if theres missing directories then? 12:13:45 Under FreeBSD 15, during boot, after having "Setting hostname: xxx" in my dmesg output, I have few repeated lines with: "mixer: 100:100: no such device", this is a remote web server and I don't need any audio/sound card features. Any idea on how to prevent/disable this message? 12:26:01 Upgrading from 14.3 to 15.0-RELEASE, is it needed to do Bootcode Upgrade and also "zpool upgrade zroot" ? 12:26:10 (extra question^^) 12:29:50 tercal to have latest zfs features yes 12:35:37 zpool upgrade will tell you if you need to upgrade 12:36:51 rtprio: ??? 12:37:19 this is missing dirs when installing 15.0-RELEASE 12:37:29 right now I am reunning make install over and over again making the missing dirs myself 12:51:08 polarian: run zpool status -v 12:51:29 ohhh sorry 12:51:56 tercal: you do not necessarily have to upgrade your zpool from the upgrade. the one in 14.3 should work more than dandy 12:52:14 if you upgrade you can't go back :) 12:52:21 ah 12:53:11 well.. you can't go back to something running a version of zfs that doesn't support the flags on the pool 12:54:54 would going back ever be needed? I wonder 12:55:04 if whole the upgrade went smooth and so 12:55:22 i think the bigger issue would be if you wanted to yank the disks and migrate to something else that doesn't or can't run a later version of zfs 12:55:29 like an appliance or something 12:55:42 so you wouldn't be able to import the pool 12:56:02 or if you have another nas running an older version of fbsd.. that would require upgrading to newer zfs before importing the pool 12:58:35 so just eliminate that use case.. but Macer is right, once you upgrade to 15.0 version of openzfs you can not go back 12:59:42 Got it, thank you all! 13:01:21 voy4g3r2: zpool updates does not explain missing dirs 13:01:23 lol 13:01:34 missing directories? 13:01:45 polarian: i got your question and tercal question mixed up :) 13:01:49 🤔 13:01:50 hence ohh sorry right after 13:02:34 why are you missing directories? 13:03:33 voy4g3r2: oh right 13:03:35 np 13:03:39 Macer: fuck knows 13:03:52 14.3-RELEASE --> 15.0-RELEASE and make install keeps failing due to missing directories 13:04:10 when I did this for my other jail it worked first time, but for some reason this jail is missing tons of dirs which make install seems to expect? 13:04:19 Ive had to mkdir and run it again like 20-30 times now 13:06:30 are you able to roll back the jail BEFORE your 15.0 and try again? 13:06:51 when i get into the situation you have. and running 20+ times you are just spinning your wheels and there is probably a variable that is NOT possible to figure out 13:07:13 voy4g3r2: its not missing dirs after the update 13:07:15 its during 13:07:25 make install using precompiled 15.0 used for my host and numerous jails 13:07:30 the other jails didnt have this issue 13:07:37 you going down old school route of upgrading freebsd-update or trying to the pkg option 13:07:44 its almost always in /usr/tests 13:07:48 where dirs are missing and install fails 13:07:53 due to missing directory 13:08:00 voy4g3r2: old school 13:08:05 oh neither 13:08:05 i take it just adding them with mkdir -p doesn't work :) 13:08:07 sorry 13:08:09 from src 13:08:20 voy4g3r2: no that is working but each time I got to restart make install 13:08:49 before you do the make install do you do a make clean? since you have been running this a few times? weird questions, just trying to get some context 13:09:02 shit I know what I did :) 13:09:07 I forgot the world :) 13:09:19 well pinky and the brain may not like the competition 13:09:30 so oops :) 13:09:36 it happens 13:11:05 I wonder how make install and make installworld differ 13:11:13 build(7) doesnt really say 13:11:41 that is outside of my expertise 13:12:04 which does not say much as i do not do a build of OS like you are.. i just stand up top of greatness and do my thing 13:14:33 make installworld DESTDIR=/path/to/jail 13:15:16 isley: I know that lol 13:15:28 I was an idiot this morning and forgot the world :P 13:16:39 it's okay I just fucked around for an hour with syslogd to find out it was something equally silly 13:23:17 Under FreeBSD 14.3, I was using mariadb105-server-10.5.29_1 - after upgrading to 15-RELEASE, "pkg check" reports: 13:23:33 mariadb105-client is missing a required shared library: libcrypto.so.30, libgssapi.so.10, libssl.so.30.... 13:24:16 And obviously MariaDB server does not start now. "pkg search mariadb" reports minimum version as: mariadb106-server-10.6.23 - so 10.5.x seems removed under FreeBSD 15? Any idea would be much appreciated. 13:27:07 upgrade to 10.6? or even better 11 or 12? 10.5 is eol. 13:29:56 isley: I think I will do so, backing /var/db/mysql up right now 13:29:59 tercal: a pkg upgrade should fix that.. it looks like 10.11 is available on freshports.org 13:30:05 https://www.freshports.org/search.php?query=mariadb&search=go&num=10&stype=name&method=match&deleted=excludedeleted&start=1&casesensitivity=caseinsensitive 13:30:10 voy4g3r2: It really did not :/ 13:30:40 Did "pkg delete mariadb105-server mariadb105-client" and installing a newer one. 15:08:43 geez, freebsd + xorg + i3 + a few desktop apps incl firefox manages to fill about 8GB of memory 15:08:48 I will blame firefox for most of it 15:09:19 arc cache also has some 15:09:30 but afaik arc will shrink itself if memory is running otu 15:09:32 out* 15:26:11 yeah, the arc is supposed to respond to pressure to give some back 16:11:34 how's 15.0 doing now that it's been out for a few days? more stable or buggy than 14.0? 16:13:46 been fine for me. 16:38:16 kerneldove: been stable 16:38:24 things feel slightly faster too, but I think this is just in my head 16:42:24 Any idea where I can find or some place to turn on logging for nfs4 for the server side? Trying to understand why I'm getting permisison denied errors. 16:43:41 glad to hear it's going well for others too 16:44:08 kerneldove: are you going to give it a try ? 16:59:50 already have 16:59:54 most of my boxes are on 15 now 16:59:57 yours? 17:11:13 I have been using stable/15 since September 17:11:16 \o/ 18:20:59 Hohum, when were the trusted CAs in /usr/share/certs added to FreeBSD? I see certctl was added in 12.2, but I cannot tell if the certs were added at the same time. The revision text is confusing and contradicts itself. 18:24:31 anyone install freebsd on mikrotik hardware? 18:26:36 it's really good hardware but routerOS has some dumb software limitations. would be great to use freebsd instead 18:27:12 Ltning: f27f39db is the first commit that adds secure/caroot/trusted 18:27:54 meh looks spotty 18:28:10 i shoulda built my own router hardware instead of buying mikrotik 18:31:08 I'm still sad that both Soekris and PCEngines gave up building high quality, small footprint fanless boxes that were ideal for a freebsd router 18:31:35 for a home/hobby router anyway 18:31:45 Koston: Seems like it was merged in 13.0? 19:18:12 Is there an obvious cause if I'm seeing very high interrupt usage on CPU, but little to nothing from my processes? 19:18:45 seems to vary between 75% and 100%, with almost no CPU usage by anything else 19:18:53 (this is in top) 19:19:11 Network or disk I/O going on? 19:21:02 disk not that systat -vmstat says. the interrupts I see are all xen related 19:22:00 cow, daefr, prcfr 19:23:01 ok, those are related to virtual memory 19:48:51 Sorry, I have no idea about xen :( 20:02:24 is Xen still a thing ? 20:04:30 I have read about Xen. It's in the old history books next to acoustic modems. 20:05:43 Even Amazon switched away from Xen and over to KVM almost a decade ago: https://www.theregister.com/2017/11/07/aws_writes_new_kvm_based_hypervisor_to_make_its_cloud_go_faster/ 20:06:00 I want to make sure I have this clear. When messing with the pkg base install, I don't run "freebsd-update". I just run pkg update/upgrade and it'll take care of everything. 20:06:19 it could be still in use, but FreeBSD userbase was rather narrow 20:07:19 beowuff: you abosolutely don't have to run freebsd-update (does it ever exist ?) 20:08:00 I did an upgrade from 14 to 15 and freebsd-update is still there and runs. 20:08:21 yes, you are not on pkgbase 20:08:22 is stderr considered output just like stdout is? or a different category entirely? 20:08:44 OMG, yes, you are right. That was my other box. XD 20:08:52 what are some good usb wifi adapters for freebsd? these realtek ones are so flaky its extremely frustrating 20:08:56 I need a nap. 20:09:07 good night beowuff 20:10:00 Actually, I'm going to go wipe and reload that 14 to 15 box. It'll make a nice end to my day. :D 20:23:52 Just curious. What is the legitimate write speed of an smr drive? 20:46:57 i always do fresh installs between major versions. i only do upgrades for minor and patch level 20:48:24 i just did a fresh install of 15 on my nas that i have been upgrading since 8.0... time to clear out the cruft. 20:58:11 kerneldove: oh interesting 20:58:34 How do you backup your files and configs beforehand? 20:59:04 ya so i fresh reinstalled all my 14.x machines to 15.0, but i'll upgrade 15.0 to 15.0-p# and 15.1 in place 20:59:25 i have conventions to make that all easy. i try to treat machines as basically disposable 20:59:45 if i can't turn and burn a machine fast, without losing any data and all that obvious stuff, i see it as a problem 20:59:51 JetpackJackson: i have a NFS that I use as a backup 21:00:40 Ah 21:00:43 FreeBSD handles upgrades quite good, so we don't have to reinstall with each major upgrade 21:00:56 ya it's not required i just like to 21:01:08 it also keeps me agile 21:01:18 JetpackJackson: server in a mini PC with a mirror zfs so it's good enough 21:01:31 i dont customize that much besides changing all the logs to end in .log and motd 21:01:50 the rest is so small changes that i dont bothr to backup 21:01:50 how do you change all logs to end in .log? sounds nice 21:02:04 edit /etc/newsyslog.conf 21:02:10 edit /etc/syslogd.conf 21:02:21 edit /etc/crontab 21:02:30 add in -C -a /var/backups 21:02:34 then restart syslogd 21:02:51 -a moves all the backups to /var/bacups instead of having 3493490432 compressed files 21:02:55 i like my system organized 21:04:19 the reason why I change the logs to end in .log as sometimes I need to debug and its nice to have clean logs to debug 21:04:23 truncate -s0 *.log 21:04:27 makes it easy 21:04:55 this way the only lines in thsoe logs are the ones you need to figure out why nsd doesnt load up 21:38:28 Interesting 21:38:45 Gah curse this slow WiFi adapter 21:38:52 Making this update take forever 21:39:11 Switching the media server to 15, doing pkgbase and then switching to latest 21:42:30 Well it could've been worse 21:44:56 funny how people thing wifi is slow when i used to download freebsd on dialup 21:46:55 cpet, nothing compares to the bandwithd of a truck filled with HDDs. 21:47:07 Slow! Back in my day I used to buildworld 5.0-CURRENT on a 350mhz packard bell! 21:48:23 gcc is slow like cold honey. Which compiler does FreeBSD use? 21:48:40 Pentium III or Pentium II ? 21:48:41 clang 21:49:17 When my group set up our first server (Debian, x386 DX2) in 1995, we took the machine across town by car because our campus internet was below T1 speed. 21:49:20 ant-x: yeap I ran it on a cyris 166mhz PC 21:49:36 cyrix* 21:49:37 I remember T1 from the napster days :) 21:50:13 I didn't get anything faster than dialup in my home town until late 2001. 21:50:49 cpet nice idea on easy truncate 21:51:07 o0x1eef, those were the best days. long before the internet became mostly lame 21:51:10 There I was, downloading 14mb real media episodes of dbz over dialup. 21:51:14 Agreed! 21:51:17 kerneldove: you mean stupid 21:51:25 eh? 21:51:33 the internet has become stupid 21:51:35 not lame 21:51:43 whatever 21:52:29 stupid? is that what you'd call AI slop, the METAVERSE, and whatever has happened to twitter? oh, wait, nevermind... 21:52:31 Back then the internet was more academic. Nowadays it is pure capitalism. 21:52:40 isley: i miss those days when you logged into a BBS and read some things played some tui games then logged out and actually played outside 21:53:00 isley: yeap 21:53:13 i miss when the internet was only smart techies and not phone posting apes 21:53:44 but atleast it's being used to enslave said apes so there's upside 21:54:24 I don't mind that as much as the monopolies and power being centralized in the hands of a few, things the internet were designed to fight against but in the end fell over to 21:54:27 mass extinction events cant come soon enough 21:54:56 ya thanks to patent trolls and other things 21:56:32 i do not like to use the phone, my speach is all messed up and my hand have arithritis and carpal tunnel 21:56:43 half the reason why I mispell so much heh 21:58:08 at least you have an excuse. i'm just illiterate. 21:58:25 isley: careful some peole in here will call you handicapped for that 21:59:45 At least your memory is working pretty well :) 22:00:32 how are you illiterate but using IRC? 22:00:47 ant-x, freebsd uses clang, also pretty slow 22:01:06 depending on language either are slow 22:01:15 compiling c++ is much slower than C 22:01:43 even if C++ specific features are not used? 22:01:58 yeap 22:02:00 C++ build times are why google created Go 22:02:17 yeap and I dont use Go cause google created it 22:02:44 or any language that has a site with precompiled modules 22:02:53 so this includes python, perl, rusy, go 22:03:09 I think Tiny C Compiler is 100-1000 times faster. 22:03:26 i mean I built world in 30 mins 22:04:17 But questionable suitability. 22:04:18