I might try building some packages to update them locally

LxGHTNxNG: I could see that, but for your average package is this necessary?

Macer, re waiting for RELEASE or not, depends on what your goal is for now: testing and reporting bugs, production/daily driver, or something else.

if I'm running nginx + php + whatever rubbish, I doubt I need to compile ports to get the right feaatures right?

depends.

but usually you have a point.

don't get me wrong, I was a gentoo ricer who tried to optimize to the max, but the hw got better and this was barely necessary

and I do remember 20 if not 22 years ago telling a freebsd noob to try some gcc optimizations which promptly broke building make world

(thse worked fine on gentoo)

I'm so sorry.

i tried to install 15-RC2, but pkg doesnt work ?

pkg update, etc..

it says something like it couldnt find anything or something

LxGHTNxNG: nothing to be sorry about

vortexx: hi

cpet: hey man what's up

V_PauAmma_V: ah i just upgraded to play with zfs 2.4 so i could test out raidz expansion..i just haven't gotten around to it yet

but i mean with about a week or so to go for release i can just upgrade and try it then

Your call.

i kind of lost interest when I saw a rc being commited in

TIL arcan is packaged for fbsd but I can't seem to find any window managers for it, unless im missing something painfully obvious

I found durden but that seems to be more like a DE

vortexx: an update to a port can take a while for the official builders to build and then hit the official pkg repos

polarian: you can clone the ports tree to whereever and work with it from there, you have to set some env vars and building as user works fine, not sure about creating the package, but I don't see why that shouldn't work (I normaly only test to build before putting it in poudriere, faster test cycle, but potentially forgotten dependencies because of dirty env)

you have to set PORTSDIR and DISTDIR or if you want to use a ports tree at /usr/ports for some reason DISTDIR and WRKDIRPREFIX

I was thinking about moving to FreeBSD from Linux this week.

go for it

Is the learning curve very steep?

depends on your linux knowledge

Well, it's not bad I think

Currently I'm using Void Linux

SystemD free :)

how many distros have you tried?

Almost all 🤣

then you'll be alright. :)

Great

I was checking and FreeBSD looks better to networking things

the most important part is probably the spit for non-base software to be configured in /usr/local

split*

Hm, I got it

another big difference is the official documentation. the FreeBSD handbook is quite good and the man pages are up to date

It sounds good

nimaje: I see, thanks

Yeah once I got used to the split config it's really nice

Makes a lot of sense

more common reasons to build packages for yourself would be wanting to set other options than the defaults or writing/updating/fixing ports yourself and thus already have the poudriere setup

Hi

I was about to grab RC2 but apparently RC3 comes out today? Quite the breakneck pace

I seem to have no luck getting Ryzen 5950x to turbo boost. I've tried powerd and powerdxx in both hiadaptive and max modes. I've tried "sysctl hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest=C2". Any other tips?

lts-: do you have cpufreq loaded ?

amdtemp*

Both loaded yes

Ramping frequency down works fine. It just doesn't seem to trigger the turbo modes

Hello, all. Is hosting one own e-mail required for hosting an authoritative DNS server, or may the zonefile specify an e-mail address in a different domain?

as far as I Know all that is done using the internal CPU stuffs the only way I personally see that is when I do a buildworld and like -j48

stress(1) can easily trigger the workload, that's not the problem

so you need those extrag 1ghz eh?

Well, 5GHz is quite a lot more than 3400MHz :-)

it does it in birsts its not like the CPU will perm run at 5ghz if its stressed

One can reproduce 5GHz with "stress -c 1" on Linux side

freebsd isn't linux :)

with my default system of not having powerd or anything loaded

dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 3800/5130 1700/1615 1400/1277

dev.cpu.0.freq: 1700

when I mess with the powerd add in -a max and load amdtemp

i get

dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 3800/5130 1700/1615 1400/1277

dev.cpu.0.freq: 3800

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700G with Radeon Graphics (3793.00-MHz K8-class CPU)

cpet: Devil Linux? :D

Devil pertho

pertho: interesting fact that someone when I was ordering a VPS from interserver someones actually complaed about the freebsd logo and demanded it be removed

cpet: that's so ridiculous

I'd still like to get that 5130 instead of 3800

(Assuming those are base and boost frequencies)

the docs say to mess with performance_cpu_freq="HIGH" and setting it to HIGH

however personally I dont see any change

I always thought the CPU will throttle up or down based on needs of that 1 program being run and its based on cores

so if im playing a game and the CPU can throttle it will but only for that core that is being used at the time

but seeing how I can compile world in 35 minutes when using ccache

I never really cared about turbo boost heh

It's more for single thread performance than for compiling with many cores

yeah

i run freebsd as my primary system, however all I do is youtube, irssi, have about 15 kosnole tabs open and firefox

i stopped running current so building world weekly is no lnger a thing

:-)

I do await 15.0 so I can try pkgbase and make smaller jails using it

there is a port in ports

called powercxx

which may help you ?

is it possible to use Freebsd15 pkgs already ?

powerdxx-0.4.4_3 CPU clock speed/frequency daemon

hernan604: yeah but im in no rush to do it

*dxx

Nope, tried that as well

hernan604: there is a script from freebsdfoundation for 14.x

cpet: i mean, if i install 15 RC-2, will "pkg update" work ?

system works as it always did

and if you update to 15.0 from 14.0 you wont be using pkgbase for what ive gathered

hence the creation of that script

right.. well i tried on monday and it could not find the pkg repos

not sure why they chose lua

but bleh

Does pkg compile packages for RCs?

pkg as in project

when i installed 15 RC-2 on monday, first thing i did was: pkg update .. and it just hang there

RCs use the same packages as a release if I remeber right

did you try again later ?

i did

same thing

but i can try a -RELEASE

looking at the ML's a lot of wokr is being done with pkgbsd and naming and renaming things

where can i find the -RELEASE iso ?

the same place you got the RC from

download.freebsd.org/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/15.0 ?

oh you measn for 15

that doesnt exist yet

hernan604, the question is not "where", but when.

the latest release is 14.3

ahh right the RELEASE is not ready yet duh

what about 15-STABLE , does "pkg update" "pkg install xyz" works ?

they changed the name

that could be why

ports is now called FreeBSD-ports

hmmm

so im sure if you edit pkg/FreeBSD.conf

it would work

ok i will try 15-RC2 again then

What is this, actual changes in FreeBSD

cpet: but change what part to what ? hard code the dir names ?

i believe dir

ok thanks

hmmmm

lts-: repo was changed from FreeBSD: to FreeBSD-ports so when you upgrade ports it should say pkgname [FreeBSD-ports] rather [FreeBSD]

cpet: ok

cpet: damn i discovered why "pkg update" on 15-RC was hanging in my machine.. my wifi was connecting to another "open" wifi name

i provided the correct wifi user/pass (hidden ssid) on the installer, it connected... but after the reboot, the system would connect to some other "open

... "open" wifi network with a different name

and that network only showed the "portal" home page and didnt allow https requests

so pkg update just hangs

the installer could have saved the BSSID too in wpa_supplicant.conf ... and some setting to only "auto connect" to known networks if any exist in wpa_supplicant

Indeed.

hernan604: so human error as always

:)

So, is it possible to upgrade from RC to RELEASE ?

When RELEASE is available.

nice

Why would drives be showing up as mfisyspd3 mfisyspd2 mfisyspd1 mfisyspd0 etc, despite /boot/loader.conf containing hw.mfi.mrsas_enable="1"

dvl, mrsas(4) says that should be in /boot/device.hints.

(On my 13.5, at least.)

Unrelatedly, I have trouble not reading "mrsa" as "methicillin-resistant staphylococcus aureus".

V_PauAmma_V: mrsa comes to mind

mrsas.ko is loaded

So is RC4 just getting skipped?

It is crossed out.

V_PauAmma_V, I don't think that's un-related.

Macer, I'm not part of releng, but that seems to be the plan. The time between the last RC and RELEASE is normally 1 week, AFAIK.

V_PauAmma_V: FWIW, device.hints didn't help it. I had this working yesterday on this same host. It's a test host so FreeBSD 14.3 was reinstalled today.

dvl, so it was mrsas, then went back to mfi, and you're trying to switch it to mrsas again? This in mrsas(4) (both 13.5 and 14.3) may be relevant: "Changing the default behavior is well tested under most conditions, but unexpected behavior may pop up if more complex and unrealistic operations are executed by switching between the mfi(4) and mrsas drivers for MR-Fusion. Switching drivers is designed

to happen only one time. Althoughmultiple switching is possible, it is not recommended. The user should decide from Start of Day which driver they want to use for the MR-Fusion card."

V_PauAmma_V: This is a completely new reinstall.

V_PauAmma_V: Meaning I have to decide before the install?

Reinstall of the software, or the hardware?

Software.

i.e. I reinstall FreeBSD 14.3 on the drives.

I smell something is set in card firmware flash when you switch derivers.

Bugger

s/deri/der/

Yes.

That's not nice.

Agreed that it badly breaks POLA.

(If I'm right about that hunch.)

It does get loaded

dvl@r730-04:~ $ grep mrsas /var/run/dmesg.boot

AVAGO MegaRAID SAS FreeBSD mrsas driver version: 07.709.04.00-fbsd

could someone help me understand how freebsd reports memory? I still feel vmstat is very unclear sometimes. I especially dont get it reporting more memory than I physically have

But does mfi get loaded to?

specialbomb: Reporting how, via what command (for example)?

vmstat -h, what does the avm value mean?

V_PauAmma_V: oh yeah baby.... bin.langille.org/?17bef990be09a4bf#…5FCkYqa8oYk9q7tkpRHtY8fCtnudGbSLW4T

its reporting a lot higher than physical

specialbomb: I don't know, I'd start on the man page.

I mean, I did, im just lost on what exactly a virtual page IS per se

its a concept I havent understood so far I suppose

"avm mapped virtual memory (previously called active in vmstat output)"

"vmstat -- report virtual memory statistics" - and virtual memory isn't necessarily related to physical memory. That's your answer, if that helps.

dvl, maybe try disabling mfi loading in loader.conf?

I gathered that, but im curious about how virtual memory plays into this. I want to understand how its used, and how knowing the total can help me.

V_PauAmma_V: Hmm, this returns nothing "kldstat | grep mfi"

Maybe with that and hw.mfi.mrsas_enable="1", the expected device names will appear?

I don't know, beyond that.

reading that your stuff is working as intended

cpet: Please elaborate, What did you find in that code?

That code has no comments to explain itself.

mfi_arsas_enable just allows newer cards if you stil dont see the devices the chances of it being supported is slim to none

the cards are listed under that code

if its not listed there is not supported

now the fact that something is shown and you see syspd devcices

not sure what the issue is

specialbomb, do docs.freebsd.org/en/books/faq/#free-memory-amount and docs.freebsd.org/en/books/faq/#more-swap help?

cpet: Yesterday, this same host let me invoke mrsas - Today, booting off a different OS install, it's not.

what was old vs what was new ?

V_PauAmma_V: those are concepts im aware of, unfortunately

ill prob send an email or something, just curious really

*nod*

specialbomb: as your system has more ram, don't think it matters where it goes

true!

this was back in the day when my system had 64mb and ram was precious

but my curiosity bites me nonetheless

now a system with 64gb is no longer the case

even though wondering why firefox is using 16GB with only 9 tabs is

but still not enough for me to spend a dya wondering why

it'll keep growing too, you keep buying more ram? browser gonna keep eating more ram :D

I throught the memstick image should contain everything needed to install freebsd, even if you are installing on a system that needs a network driver from packages (like realtek-re-kmod for example); I did a pkg fetch and manually unpacked it to the installer, so I have network while installing (to install realtek-re-kmod on the newly installed system and to fetch the -dbg sets), shouldn't there

be a better way?

the only image that contains a relatively complete system is the dvd

most drivers and firmware aren't included due to licensing issues

specialbomb: something that belongs to virtual memory too are mmapped files which don't need to reside in RAM when RAM is needed for something else, as files are backed by some device and then you can have fun with overcommit too, not sure if that counts to avm

ah thats a good note, ty

isnt there a man page for jemalloc ?

jemalloc is contributed software, which (per jasone.github.io/2025/06/12/jemalloc-postmortem) is no longer maintained.

cpet: yes, there is a man page; why are you searching for it? because of the previous virtual memory disscussion? if yes, how would that man page help?

quick question, my motherboard has two gigabit ethernet ports but they have different drivers between each other. should it still be possible to do a LACP lagg between them?

I say ports, I mean NICs lol

specialbomb, AFAIK that won't make any difference and yes you can aggregate them.

sounds good. I just remember reading something, perhaps its just in my head. thanks!

Also regarding the word "ports" yes we also call it the ethernet port too. It's a word that requires context but ethernet port is okay for it.

I just try to be as specific as I can!

kind of defeats the purpose if I have to use specific nics and same nics

It can even be a physical network interface and a wlan interface. This is handy for laptops.

(Although probably not using LACP in this case.)

Is there a way to use Bastille to bootstrap a non Ubuntu distro?

JetpackJackson is a cool nickname

Thanks

Im trying to install orca slicer in a Linux jail and trying to get either the flatpak or the appimage to work

JetpackJackson: a normal linux emu doesnt work ?

you can use debootstrap

and then do a debootstrap whatever stupid name debian calls its distro now /compat/ubuntu

says it uses debootstrap so

cpet: wdym, I thought a jail was normal

Oh the compat/ thing

Uh lowkey forgot I had that

I guess I'll try that

plus orca slice makes my router not to use it

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heh

Ah