mason: been posted to ML before

x2

neither time got a repl

reply|*

first to freebsd-pf, nothing

second fwd to freebsd-questions

nothing

I dont want to file bugzilla because if its a config problem, thats going to waste dev time

Hrm. :/

If no one answers, waste the time.

dch: where is root password?

just ask your question dude

polarian: you won't know.. unless you ask

ughhh

i hate doing bugzilla though

I always feel like im reporting something really fucking stupid

maybe if I make an alt to post my stupid questions I will be more open about it :P

sorry more open to doing it*

polarian: Eh, either you'll learn something or something will be fixed.

learn something and look like a fool, or report a legitimate bug and get praised for it

I've lost most of my fear of looking like a fool, if I have something to learn from the process.

at least you learn something if you're wrong

polarian: maybe i am late to the game, but can you ask here?

well, writing here that you have a problem, but not telling what it is truely wastes everyones time

if no one knows, you will find out quickly, plus it will help you formulate your idea for potential messageboard posting

polarian: i have asked plenty of stupid questions, it is what it is..

dvl: where is root password?

that is the ultimate test.. sometimes you "feel" smart with jeopardy but most times i feel like a total idiot.

Chip1972, Is there something you need help with? If you have a question just ask it.

voy4g3r2: I'm implying we're still waiting for a question (since the Jeopardy theme song is most notably played when contestants are writing answers and everyone's waiting).

rwp: I need root password for mfsbsd-se-14.2-RELEASE-amd64.img

try blank?

as in, just hitting enter

llua: hacker.

or we could just, ya know

look at the documentation

Root password for all images: mfsroot

The root password of mfsbsd is mfsroot. mfsbsd.vx.sk

hate to be a superhacker here

Don't hate it. Embrace it! You are the superhacker here! :-)

hh

haha

worked

does this mean i can upgrade my skimask?

Personally I prefer the faceless hoodie for myself.

But the moral of the story and the lesson here is to simply ask the question and if people know then they will help with it.

it is to give the wrong answer, so that the person that likes to 1up people will correct you.

No one answered "xyzzy"? Kids these days. No sense of Adventure.

plugh!

V_PauAmma_V, And also, I did actually laugh out loud at that one. :-)

maybe we n eed to get V_PauAmma_V a faceless hoodie

llua, There is a pro-life-tip idea to ask, then sock puppet another account to give a terrible answer, because people might not have time to answer a question but they will make time to correct someone else's bad answer.

Read documentation? Preposterous! I don't even read what people type in IRC!

LOL!

guys stop bullying the newbie

be nice to each other

you should superhack

topic pirates++

if something mentioned here is available in ports its a freebsd topic

topic piracy?

its an evil thing

so the default wm on the dvd is gnome :(

hmm

look ketas is alive

it's not always possible to read docs

depends on docs maybe

docs are included on the DVD

eg fbsd handbook has been always easy read

and you can fetch a pdf

but who knows

you dont know so I dont know

we all dont know

hah

but reading is very hard

for ketas

i don't mean bytes

and letters

if you cant do a apropos x

you shouldn't freebsd

so ketas fail

you also have to get it

messing with xsl is not fun

TommyC: yes, i get it :)

I should swap out my net ISO to the memstick one but I also like using it to test whether WiFi chips are supported

FYI - GMAIL users, pay attention to your E-mail account settings: workspace.google.com/blog/identity-…r-data-era-generative-ai?e=48754805

Now( at least it become public ) your emails including attachment will be fed into AI

Pay attention mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#settings/general -- so called "Smart Features" option ( turned ob automatically )

they were always doing this

its google

nerozero, thanks for the heads-up. I have checked mine, and /Smart Features/ was already of. Away with degenerative AI.

ant-x thumbs up

also check "Google Workspace smart features"

there is a button

press it and disable staff there

dch, yeah, a man respecting himself, and considering a human being should not use AT ALL! big corps like: Google, Facebook, X, ... you name it...

hm, now I found linux_base-rl9, would be nice if -c7 would point there as a possible replacement, as CentOS 7 is EOL and thus the -c7 port is deprecated

and sorry for OffTop

nerozero: thanks for sharing that

voy4g3r2, 2x thanks to you, if you share the same

or explain/ help others

already done :)

Have you found a good IMAP-migration tool?

not here.. i am not a huge fan but i have had my email since the beta days of the service.. i am "attached" to it.

So did I, but I want to detach, badly. These days, Gmail is not much better than other providers.

It is actually worse than many because of lack of human support and the ease to lose an account inveterately.

i can see that, i am no expert on IMAP migration tools as do not have sufficient time to address it.. kick the can down the road.

I do know it has a data migration tool.. where you can download your inbox in a mbox format.. i have used that tool.. if that would work for yuou

There are also a couple of third-party tools for syncing of IMAP boxes. I will be trying them.

it's a pain to host independent email server these days

i do it but i have my own trick

s

I've used imapsync quite a bit in the past, worked well

ant-x on windows users can backup emails using MailStoreArchive

Thanks. TODO: delete TOP N largest e-mails to bring the total size down to 5Gb -- the limit at rambler.ru .

problem with email server is the reputation score and the blocklists

on Nix you can do that with tool like OfflineImap

Archiving on HDD? Interesting.

very difficult to deal with

you can re-upload them on demend

*demand

or use Mutt/NeoMutt

ms literally has a monopoly in deciding who is spam and who is not

if you buy its exchange for hosting, you'd probably get green lights

voy4g3r2: scroll up to my messages two nights ago

nerozero: The best way to mitigate that is by just hosting your own email server.

remiliascarlet, +1 postfix + dovecot-pigeonhole + amavis + clam + spamassasin

not that hard to configure

nerozero: you are joking right?

email is notoriously a pain in the arse

especially when dovecot decides to make major breaking changes to configuration

scottpedia: I just use migadu for email, highly recommend. I also have a tutanota email and a proton mail email from before I knew about migadu lmao

okay alright thx for the ping up. will take a look when freed

Sounds good

dali

polarian, no, I did a research once ~10-15y ago, wrote a notes, and updating them if needed, so ~1-3 day of research should be enough if you know what you are doing

of course not for modern "normies" with "ai" backend

This morning, I'm going to try moving a zpool mirror from a pair of 1TB SSDs to a pair of 128GB SSDs without snapshots or dd. See my proof of concept using file-based devices : gist.github.com/dlangille/2578c132dc6177e2eb94ac426892da70

dvl - zfs send / zfs receive ?

make an extra storage, create a snapshot of the pool ( if it is rootfs -- make a recursive snapshot )

export this snapshot to a storage ( you will gate a "free" backup )

consider removing onsolete old snapshots prior to make exporting snapshot, to reduce size

you can pipe output, say to zstd - `zfs send .. | zstd > backupfile`

then do whatever you like to your storage, shrink or extend or partition, then create new pool and then force restore data from a backup

does that even work dvl ?

i tried it before

you can take vdev out?

ketas growing does work, shrinking does not ( works only with sending/receiving into new pool )

no i mean dvl shrunk it

I didn't understood the meaning of the steps he wrote

if that works it's a great hack

well look at zpool list

this is "too smart" to me

pool is smaller now

dd if=/dev/random of=/test-pool/random1 bs=1m count=10 <<< espatially using /dev/random ...

which is way slower then /dev/zero

and WHY do all of that if ZFS provides a WAY BETTER and safer way to do the same thing

and 2 way mirror on !! files !!!

what

zpool add test-pool mirror /tmp/12.raw /tmp/13.raw

well it has uses

but it's a test

YES !!!!

just for testing weird staff not for data transfer

cannot remove mirror-0: out of space

unfortunately not

was able to remove mirror-1 tho?

i can't do that with files too

dvl: version there?

remove: Removal of vdev 1 copied 36K in 0h0m, completed on Thu Nov 20 15:42:04 2025

96 memory used for removed device mappings

was able to remove smaller tho

polarian: i do not have the buffer to respond accordingly.. allow good though

eh i made a pool larger

if openzfs has added zpool smallifier option it's fun

unsure hmm reddit.com/r/zfs/comments/10fnghr/i…ible_to_shrinkremove_disk_is_a_pool

i mean

supposedly it sucks evem if it works

nerozero: WIthout using send | recv

extremely bad idea

ketas: Yes, it does work.

nerozero: Please elaborate.

I will not do that on a production dataset ...

too scary

nerozero: Please elaborate on how one approach is riskier than another.

This is a zroot. It is booted from. I want to migrate to other & smaller media. How can I do that with send | recv without renaming the zpools. And to rename the zpools, must I boot into a thumbdrive and do that renaming?

in conventional you have an independent backup copy all the time

^ I am speculating.

on a different storage

nerozero: In this scenario, the original drives are untouched.

Just removed from the zpool.

One of the things I am going to test: can I still boot from the old media.

yes the "my way" will require additional boot device while doing so

so this is too smart to me

and that is why I'm not ready to risk

my data

nerozero: Fair enough. Have you ever migrated from smaller drive to larger drives using `zfs replace`?

This is pretty much the same thing.

not on the production system

you see, I'm too old not to afraid of that kind of juggling with large data storage, while not having a backup copy, which prior to executing is tested and successfully restorable ..

I recall using paper tape, punch cards, and soldering memory cards. Age may not be the factor here.

somebody just write the fucking change into zfs

and we're done

As for testing, that is what I'm doing now. That gist was a proof-of-concept (yes, we can do it with file-based drives).

ketas: It is in ZFS. That's the feature I'm using.

but i get why zfs was designed like that

no i mean direct replace

i never checked, does zfs put mirror data to same block?

but yeah

ketas: I don't understand what is meant by 'direct replace'

i mean if you have pool with 256m used, it would be perfectly reasonable to replace 1g mirror disks with 512m

zfs verifiea and copies it off

now, i don't know why it's supposedly nono

like direct

replace a b

ketas: That's the move I'm doing.

no you replace vdev in pool which is... shady

real slim shady :p

ketas: i suspect there would be too many guardrails with that approach

since the topology isn't always mirrors

but idea of replacing storage device is that zfs takes used blocks and copies them to new device

ketas: it is not shady. It is part of the man page: man.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=zpool-remove The man page mentions it directly "Removing a top-level vdev reduces the total amount of space in the storage pool. "

verifies copy and tells ok dev replaced

This is a recently added feature.

hah

how to rename mirror 1 to 0 tho?

"The specified device will be evacuated by copying all allocated space from it to the other devices in the pool. "

you can't? :)

ketas: That's the problem you're concerned about? ;)

i am

other thing is that keeps block map

which wears off supposedly

i donno, i think it's slick

i mean i don't condone the zfs crapping but apparently generic storage needs those features :/

in real storage you of course run disks to (near) death

disk arrives, gets into testing, gets into array, fails, goes into crusher

I'm nearly ready to test this with disks, not file-based devices. I'll paste the blog post URL soon.

yeah 13 was no go on this i tried again

ketas: I'm using FreeBSD 14.3

yeah i figured

at least now pool can be shrunk

with FreeBSD 15 comes `zfs-rewrite` - e.g. change compression algorithm, issue `zfs rewrite` - it rewrites the data in place (more or less).

cow=off?

wait not really

actually cow is zfs strength :p

one of

apparently zfs was designed to not touch data ever again

you put it on disk, you verify it, you read it

you don't really want it to change otherwise

oh and many run zfs with no ecc ram

wouldn't be much of a filesystem, would it

yeah but now it moves

if you recompress data already, just few more steps and you could do straight mirror shrinking

hey

now luna is also here

:)

yup

while listening to BSD Now: bsdnow.tv/638

i am having problems with X. not sure what the problem is...everything was working until 2 days ago after a reboot

now when i startx, system freezes after 1 second

so reinstalled 14.3.. same thing

i use amdgpu

and now i am trying with scfb but still crashes

however i noted i am able to start X with root

noticed*

where is the crashlog saved

?

before reinstalling 14.3, i tested ubuntu and it works

bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=285070 shouldn't this have been closed months ago?

oh boy. 21.1.18 still in ports it looks like, .19 has the security patches and theres now a .20

and phab doesnt seem to show any diffs awaiting review (although I am not good at checking) and bugzilla shows no issues, so someone hasn't attempted to port it and ran into an issue otherwise it would be on bugzilla

I assume it is not as simple as bumping it however, and I am clueless how xorg works

21.1.20 built just fine, and installed just fine...

X.Org X Server 1.21.1.20

hmmm... welp... I guess I can reboot and try it... whats the worst that could happen

that you get no graphic envoriment :p

but hopefully its fine

Xorg does not move so fast these days

luna__: if this is as simple as a version bump imma be pretty pissed off

heh

I get freebsd is volunteers, but having a high severity port just sit there is concerning

i wonder wtf went wrong

zeising being busy, not sure if he maintains Xorg still :p

ketas: what went wrong?

I will test 21.1.20 after I finish compiling 2 libreboot binaries

and if it works, I dont mind if I snag a port contribution from this frustration :)

i meant that xorg issue

what issue?

I speak a lot, you will need to be more specific :P

hernan604's one

why do you speak a lot?

:p

dunno, I struggle to be concise, so for the avoidance of missing the point, I just say everything :P

think of it like a Java stacktrace...

xD

hah

polarian is java stacktrace

:c

yeah i do it too

also typing it also means sometimes I realise where im fucking up :)

reading your own stuff back tends to end up with "oh im an idiot"

distributed rubber duck

For my next trick, add 3rd drive to mirror, remove 3rd drive from mirror, power off, remove 1st two drives from mirror, boot from 3rd drive.

polarian: the more senses involved in the understanding of a concept.. the quicker the brain gets to that conclusion or i am good..

whiteboards are great for that.. standing, seeing, writing, and talk to one self.. multiple senses

guess i can stick around have a Firewall that runs FreeBSD

dvl: gracious

LxGHTNxNG: I think it's a simple thing to want... a backup boot drive, when you're mucking about with your boot drives.

ye

If I had another spare drive cage, this would be easier.

i hope that's not freshports production net

:p

voy4g3r2: my family make fun of me for speaking to myself

why

most do it

"its weird"

Because they have no inner selves :-?

ketas: That's mostly an AWS instance. I'm working on a Dell R730, about two feet to my right.

polarian: I often say things out loud to myself. It's one of the better quality conversations I have.

didn't you run fp primary in basement

dvl: well, at least yourself always listens, cant say the same about friends and family who tune out

i have done drawing and tables etc

and brain is weird

most material won't work and it gets tired

polarian: yeah.. thats one of those.. thats nice, stop mocking me.. just negative vibes.. if i lose arguments with myself.. that is a toally different problem.

xD

funny enough a beer sometimes helps me focus more

overactive brain, ends up trying to do too much

when i was 12 i ran away from school from hard math... and went to local library and was like oh what a awesome book, teaches how to wind own transformers (much harder than school things)

lol

ketas: were you a nerd by chance? :P

yes

what happens in coffee?

:p

unfortunately that also happens "computers", i wasn't watching video series on cpus because it was dry and boring but then on other hand i'm like hoooow do they work

ketas: lots and lots of FDE cycles :P

also wdym what happens in coffee?

google: etch-decode-execute

eh

the coffee effect

caffeine is sleep

herr

here

and in fact i don't like take it in any form

I dont like coffee

"It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of coffee that thoughts acquire speed, that hands start shaking, that shaking becomes a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion." (quoted from memory.)

by the means/beans of coffee.

i have bean there

LxGHTNxNG: here you go: dan.langille.org/2025/11/20/creatin…ckup-boot-drive-from-a-zroot-mirror

im craving a beer now, but its only about to turn 6pm

I wanna save it a little longer then hack!

ketas: and I just got shutout: dan.langille.org/?p=9088&preview=1&_ppp=63e31b2718

send | recv might be my only option here.

polarian: never too early or too late for a beer

cpet: I only have one though

buy more

no lol

that means going outside :)

order it

and plus drinking a ton on a regular basis is not health

healthy*

have someome else briung it to you

lol

i brew my owen beer and I always hjave a brew ready after a brew

hah thats cool

I have wanted to get into homebrewing

but with current circumstances it is not possible

makes the whole house smell of oat meal

xD

what type of beer do you brew?

lager?

porter

ah cool

i dont drink horse piss

someone likes their beers malty :)

i drink black tar heh

sounds good

cpet: I would assume you would be a fan of guinness then?

we have guiness here, but I like my Paulaner

Dunkel?

Yeah

yeah thats a good one

I have drank quite a few Paulaner Dunkel beers in the past

currently have a wheat beer craving though

they started to sell then at Rouses so thats what I get

so I am clearing off the wheat beer shelf at my local off licence :P

brew take about a month

you manage to drink an entire brew in a month!?!?

its only 12 beers not like I have a whole brew ring

hmm more than I tend to drink

I resist the urge unless theres a reason to drink :)

im a disabled bet theres always a reason to drink

vet*

ouch

my condolences :/

welp if its not the beer that kills ya, it will be the mental health issues :P

yeah i remeber someones asked here about it and someone else said no one cares

so heh

no one cares about what?

beer?

I have never seen a community drink as much beer as the BSD community does

veterans mental health issues

ah right

I guess its a more sensitive subject though

south east linux fest does a craft beer share every night

i tried organizing a computer club here

(some of us represent FreeBSD there in various capacities)

but didint work so well

kinda promised to date someone in 2026 but got engaged in the mean time but they took it okay

we go from beer to dating

hah

cpet: sorry

well no dating in this case

wut

im not a topic whore so i really dont care whats said here

was surprised no one said anythign after talking about beer

well maybe not the place for it, so i will shut up

tell us more about this dating in 2026

just add FreeBSD some where

so its still on topic :P

lol

i dated this girl in 2025,

oh yeah freebsd works fine when you use p[kgbse

see

luna__: i see your nick and it reminds me of the blue star from that super marios movie

heh

o:

Beer -> ancient social lubricant. FreeBSD -> Modern social lubricant.

i wouldnt say modern since it;s been available since the 80's

okay zoomer

dont hate cause I would rather get on a BBS than facebook

lol I am just making lighthearted banter.

meany

freebsd speed dating yet again?

specialbomb: more Linux tbh :p

I dont think id like to date a user of either, I know how insufferable we all are

heh

one was from gay places from the start however, but i left as i am straight, but wanted to be up front and honest

so he did not hope for anything

well, I hope everything is still solid I guess

me, I prefer the people I date to believe what I do to be technowizardry

why? I am envious of their mindset

cpet: Modern since... antiquity? Beer was invented... 5-8k years ago? 1980s is practically yesterday.

how daily periodic jobs work? is it basically a cron job? do daily periodic jobs require your computer's uptime to be higher than 24h, a day?

nxjoseph: yes

nxjoseph: edit /etc/crontab amd /etc/periodic

hmm i see periodic jobs are listed in /etc/crontab

i don't understand cron syntax much but i guess these daily jobs are not sufficient for desktop users. is there any hourly jobs?

and the actual jobs are in /etc/periodic

heh you dont see the daily weekly and monthly ?

they are seperated into frequencies but why no "hourly" folder/

so do you mean you can adjust them in crontab file

so that they'll work when you want

you can do whatever you want its your system

now is it practical to change any of those

probably not

you can however make your own

such as I run a crontab that sed out all 404's from my access.log extract the IP removes my own Ip's removed duplicates and then adds those to /etc/brutes

i also have one that does a pkg upgrade

and another that updates git

they had beer cause they wanted to make sure water stored doesn't go bad

cpet: nice

but it seems you need some shell scripting knowledge

nxjoseph: crontab.guru

nxjoseph: yeap

thermos: yeah i use that useful site too

there's also chmod.guru

i can understand crontab.guru

but chmod ?

yeah chmod i just use the bits cause i don't care to remember the g=wx syntax or however it works

i think useful too, you're thinking chmod in visual and it makes it easier

4,2,1 = r,w,x

im scared of bits like i am from math

XD

:D

thermos: that is u=r,g=w,o=x

rwx you would 700

kind of the u,g,o is important

well right -rwxrwxrwx would just be 777

Hi, Use it for making your life Easy regarding Chmod even with Perity Bits .. chmodcommand.com

also 777 is shorter than u=rwx g=rwx o=rwx - unless it's skill issue, idk cause I don't use that method

when I cant remeber the number I do the long version

i dont goto a site :)

also its missing a few thing like suid and sticky

its a good for learning chmod ..

it has.. look on it.. and scroll down in mid right

setuid/setguid/Sticky Bits :(

:)

yeah but if i need to set suid or sticky bits then I'll already be digging in man pages figuring out what i need to do

chmod -R a+rwx,u-x,g-x,o-wx,ug+s,+t,u-s folder_name

hah

What's fun is realizing that the numbers are all chosen so they'll fit into an octal bitmask.

well, first man pages for learning theory and for practicing and further clarification i used this website .. but in learing point of view..

For the numbers, 4=suid, 2=sgid, 1=sticky, and then 4=read,2=write,1=exec for the rest.

I wonder if the implementation is (or has been) the top/unused beat of each of u/g/o specifying each of suid,sgid,sticky

It would feel space-efficient if slightly more labour-intensive to do it that way.

IIRC, early Unix also had a 3-bit inode type, so that just fits into a PDP11 signed integer.

The early operating systems, and the development of them, are quite fascinating

s/beat/bit/

I was just watching some videos of someone operating an Altair 8800 using the switches on the front panel

vkarlsen: Nice. Links welcome! :)

mason: youtube.com/watch?v=7nDcTRqZu8E

ty

alright confirmed

xorg-server update works, I will push to phab

polarian: So it *was* a bug?

is there anyone with a port commit bit

mason: no xorg hasnt been updated despite a high severity cve for almost a month

Link to the review in #freebsd-ports when you have it ready?

ah yeah forgot

V_PauAmma_V: working on it

arc is broken though

utf8_decode() is deprecated

so I cant use arcanist rn

also thinking about it recently, /usr/ports feels insecure

as you must run it as root

vkarlsen: That was ridiculously neat. Thank you.

so I am thinking, maybe I should change the perms to wheel can also write

then a user in wheel can run it without root privileges

thoughts?

as simply a new user, I like that idea

mason: I enjoyed it too

vkarlsen: My eldest daughter and I just watched it. She finished Hackers not long ago so she read about the Altair and loved seeing it.

:)

how to add files to ISO or IMG of BSD?

ketas: any idea why my xorg is broken ? well, i did more tests, and it runs under root.

ketas: but crashes after 1 second under my user

Chip1972: what do you mean ?

what are you trying to achieve ?

Chip1972: extract the ISO add files to the folder where those files are extrated then mkisofs again

another option

polarian: time to think that through. Ports should be built on a dedicated machine or VM. How many users are going to be on this? One, maybe two. It should be accessible via ssh only from one or two machines. Maybe the packages made can be delivered over http/https, and that's not much of a risk, so that ports 80 & 443 / tcp can be open. You may be worried about a rogue port that when it builds, running

as root, starts doing bad things. Maybe that should be sandboxed. I don't recall if FreeBSD does this, as I never build ports on this platform. I wouldn't worry terribly about this though, compared to someone gaining access to the VM/box and signing packages malignantly with additional payloads

also hello cpet

hernan604: Are you a member of the video group?

vkarlsen: yes, and i can start X, i can see the DE, move the mouse, launch a couple xterms and then after 1 second it crashes

freezes

and hangs for minutes... then reboots

under root it works

hernan604: i want to add some scripts and tricks

Chip1972: nice

cpet: mkisoimages.sh make ISO bootable?

Chip1972: i think the partiton must be bootable instead of the iso ?

Chip1972: and you will dump that iso into a usb/cd

and select that device in the boot menu

same for vm

Chip1972: i would say just try it ? dump and restore into a new iso.. and try to boot with that new iso, it should be similar to the original

polarian: time to think that through. Ports should be built on a dedicated machine or VM. How many users are going to be on this? One, maybe two. It should be accessible via ssh only from one or two machines. Maybe the packages made can be delivered over http/https, and that's not much of a risk, so that ports 80 & 443 / tcp can be open. You may be worried about a rogue port that when it builds, running

as root, starts doing bad things. Maybe that should be sandboxed. I don't recall if FreeBSD does this, as I never build ports on this platform. I wouldn't worry terribly about this though, compared to someone gaining access to the VM/box and signing packages malignantly with additional payloads

hernan604: solved with nomadbsd

ive lost backlog

ugh its just occurred to me someone cut power to my server

vortexx: what about compiling ports for your own device lol

this comes up from time to time; curious you're worried about building the ports as root, but not what most of those ports run, as root

i feel like that's a far more plausable attact vector

hi, I would like to buy an entry level UPS (2U) to cover a not heavy loaded old R720 (home lab). Any recommendations? Any tips particularly on how to handle them with FreeBSD in terms of controlled shutdown?

polarian: vm

uskerine: dan.langille.org/2020/09/07/monitoring-your-ups-using-nut-on-freebsd

so bhyve it

there is a program called nut that can handle that.. if it is supported, and that article is how Dan Langille did it.. YMMV

but not every UPS will be supported by NUT, right?

just pkg install nut and read the manpage?

I have seen this chinese entry level model: PowerWalker VI 2200 RLE

vortexx: seems excessive

but sure

polarian: not really. VMs are a given now, have been for 20+ years. Segment your usage by using a VM for each purpose, and then you don't have to worry about own device getting infected by compiling infected code

compiling straight on your device should only be for kernel+base code

and even then..

vortexx: not spinning up a vm to build one pkg

wow. RC2 was released a day after RC1?

Yes. There were problems with preinstalled VM images.

i'm on BETA5 now.. guess there's no problem just waiting on RELEASE is there?

which i guess would be some time next weekend

polarian: jail it then

Not next week-end. I think there'll be a RC3 then.

oh. release process page still has it at the 28th

yeah. that's what i was looking at.

polarian: jailing should be the bare minimum for building a port I'd say. And I still don't understand the point of building a port on FreeBSD if the package is provided, surely you're not ricing it

(this is not a subject I've dug into too much over the years)

i had to build znc from ports because the pkg didn't have python and perl support baked in

(a long time ago) not to sure about nowadays

vortexx: pkg can take a while sometimes

polarian: more than compiling? are you on 56k/gprs?

compiling still needs to dl the tarball

vortexx: wdym?

too young I see. 56kpbs was the fastest analog dialup, probably before you were born. GPRS was the initial data transfer protocol for "2G" mobile phones, it was about as fast

I had a phone or two that did that

at vast expense, I might add, paying by the megabyte

(PPP over bluetooth was the usual manner)

Huh TIL

i have to build multiple packages from source because the release version is too lean on codec things