00:00:55 <JetpackJackson> I might try building some packages to update them locally
00:01:57 <vortexx> LxGHTNxNG: I could see that, but for your average package is this necessary?
00:02:37 <V_PauAmma_V> Macer, re waiting for RELEASE or not, depends on what your goal is for now: testing and reporting bugs, production/daily driver, or something else.
00:03:10 <vortexx> if I'm running nginx + php + whatever rubbish, I doubt I need to compile ports to get the right feaatures right?
00:04:12 <LxGHTNxNG> depends.
00:04:16 <LxGHTNxNG> but usually you have a point.
00:05:28 <vortexx> don't get me wrong, I was a gentoo ricer who tried to optimize to the max, but the hw got better and this was barely necessary
00:06:44 <vortexx> and I do remember 20 if not 22 years ago telling a freebsd noob to try some gcc optimizations which promptly broke building make world
00:06:53 <vortexx> (thse worked fine on gentoo)
00:12:56 <LxGHTNxNG> I'm so sorry.
00:17:55 <hernan604> i tried to install 15-RC2, but pkg doesnt work ?
00:18:02 <hernan604> pkg update, etc..
00:18:25 <hernan604> it says something like it couldnt find anything or something
00:27:51 <vortexx> LxGHTNxNG: nothing to be sorry about
01:48:35 <cpet> vortexx: hi
01:50:28 <scottpedia> cpet: hey man what's up
02:03:54 <Macer> V_PauAmma_V: ah i just upgraded to play with zfs 2.4 so i could test out raidz expansion..i just haven't gotten around to it yet
02:04:07 <Macer> but i mean with about a week or so to go for release i can just upgrade and try it then
02:11:35 <cpet> https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2025/11/microsoft-makes-zork-i-ii-and-iii-open-source-under-mit-license/?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us
02:22:50 <V_PauAmma_V> Your call.
02:23:38 <cpet> i kind of lost interest when I saw a rc being commited in
04:02:08 <JetpackJackson> TIL arcan is packaged for fbsd but I can't seem to find any window managers for it, unless im missing something painfully obvious
04:04:19 <JetpackJackson> I found durden but that seems to be more like a DE
08:43:02 <nimaje> vortexx: an update to a port can take a while for the official builders to build and then hit the official pkg repos
08:47:57 <nimaje> polarian: you can clone the ports tree to whereever and work with it from there, you have to set some env vars and building as user works fine, not sure about creating the package, but I don't see why that shouldn't work (I normaly only test to build before putting it in poudriere, faster test cycle, but potentially forgotten dependencies because of dirty env)
08:51:40 <nimaje> you have to set PORTSDIR and DISTDIR or if you want to use a ports tree at /usr/ports for some reason DISTDIR and WRKDIRPREFIX
09:03:07 <g_qtn> I was thinking about moving to FreeBSD from Linux this week.
09:03:52 <psycorama> go for it
09:04:07 <g_qtn> Is the learning curve very steep?
09:04:21 <psycorama> depends on your linux knowledge
09:04:35 <g_qtn> Well, it's not bad I think
09:04:41 <g_qtn> Currently I'm using Void Linux
09:04:45 <g_qtn> SystemD free :)
09:04:49 <psycorama> how many distros have you tried?
09:04:58 <g_qtn> Almost all 🤣
09:05:10 <psycorama> then you'll be alright. :)
09:05:27 <g_qtn> Great
09:05:46 <g_qtn> I was checking and FreeBSD looks better to networking things
09:05:53 <psycorama> the most important part is probably the spit for non-base software to be configured in /usr/local
09:06:01 <psycorama> split*
09:06:28 <g_qtn> Hm, I got it
09:07:41 <psycorama> another big difference is the official documentation. the FreeBSD handbook is quite good and the man pages are up to date
09:11:23 <g_qtn> It sounds good
11:29:49 <vortexx> nimaje: I see, thanks
12:37:48 <JetpackJackson> Yeah once I got used to the split config it's really nice
12:39:02 <JetpackJackson> Makes a lot of sense
12:39:39 <nimaje> more common reasons to build packages for yourself would be wanting to set other options than the defaults or writing/updating/fixing ports yourself and thus already have the poudriere setup
13:15:14 <Retrofan> Hi
16:03:59 <zip> I was about to grab RC2 but apparently RC3 comes out today? Quite the breakneck pace
16:15:04 <lts-> I seem to have no luck getting Ryzen 5950x to turbo boost. I've tried powerd and powerdxx in both hiadaptive and max modes. I've tried "sysctl hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest=C2". Any other tips?
16:21:19 <cpet> lts-: do you have cpufreq loaded ?
16:24:04 <cpet> amdtemp*
16:24:29 <lts-> Both loaded yes
16:25:09 <lts-> Ramping frequency down works fine. It just doesn't seem to trigger the turbo modes
16:25:36 <ant-x> Hello, all. Is hosting one own e-mail required for hosting an authoritative DNS server, or may the zonefile specify an e-mail address in a different domain?
16:25:47 <cpet> as far as I Know all that is done using the internal CPU stuffs the only way I personally see that is when I do a buildworld and like -j48
16:26:17 <lts-> stress(1) can easily trigger the workload, that's not the problem
16:26:39 <cpet> so you need those extrag 1ghz eh?
16:27:02 <lts-> Well, 5GHz is quite a lot more than 3400MHz :-)
16:27:27 <cpet> it does it in birsts its not like the CPU will perm run at 5ghz if its stressed
16:28:09 <lts-> One can reproduce 5GHz with "stress -c 1" on Linux side
16:28:21 <cpet> freebsd isn't linux :)
16:46:59 <cpet> with my default system of not having powerd or anything loaded
16:47:01 <cpet> dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 3800/5130 1700/1615 1400/1277
16:47:02 <cpet> dev.cpu.0.freq: 1700
16:47:18 <cpet> when I mess with the powerd add in -a max and load amdtemp
16:47:19 <cpet> i get
16:47:37 <cpet> dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 3800/5130 1700/1615 1400/1277
16:47:37 <cpet> dev.cpu.0.freq: 3800
16:48:29 <cpet> CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700G with Radeon Graphics          (3793.00-MHz K8-class CPU)
16:48:43 <pertho> cpet: Devil Linux? :D
16:49:22 <cpet> Devil pertho
16:50:00 <cpet> pertho: interesting fact that someone when I was ordering a VPS from interserver someones actually complaed about the freebsd logo and demanded it be removed
16:50:36 <pertho> cpet: that's so ridiculous
16:50:56 <lts-> I'd still like to get that 5130 instead of 3800
16:51:26 <lts-> (Assuming those are base and boost frequencies)
17:18:37 <cpet> the docs say to mess with performance_cpu_freq="HIGH" and setting it to HIGH
17:18:47 <cpet> however personally I dont see any change
17:20:48 <cpet> I always thought the CPU will throttle up or down based on needs of that 1 program being run and its based on cores
17:21:06 <cpet> so if im playing a game and the CPU can throttle it will but only for that core that is being used at the time
17:22:04 <cpet> but seeing how I can compile world in 35 minutes when using ccache
17:22:16 <cpet> I never really cared about turbo boost heh
17:23:00 <lts-> It's more for single thread performance than for compiling with many cores
17:23:14 <cpet> yeah
17:24:19 <cpet> i run freebsd as my primary system, however all I do is youtube, irssi, have about 15 kosnole tabs open and firefox
17:24:40 <cpet> i stopped running current so building world weekly is no lnger a thing
17:24:53 <lts-> :-)
17:24:53 <cpet> I do await 15.0 so I can try pkgbase and make smaller jails using it
17:25:27 <cpet> there is a port in ports
17:25:32 <cpet> called powercxx
17:25:37 <cpet> which may help you ?
17:25:40 <hernan604> is it possible to use Freebsd15 pkgs already ?
17:26:13 <cpet> powerdxx-0.4.4_3               CPU clock speed/frequency daemon
17:26:24 <cpet> hernan604: yeah but im in no rush to do it
17:26:30 <lts-> *dxx
17:26:40 <lts-> Nope, tried that as well
17:26:43 <cpet> hernan604: there is a script from freebsdfoundation for 14.x
17:27:08 <cpet> https://github.com/FreeBSDFoundation/pkgbasify
17:27:15 <hernan604> cpet: i mean, if i install 15 RC-2, will "pkg update" work ?
17:27:30 <cpet> system works as it always did
17:27:58 <cpet> and if you update to 15.0 from 14.0 you wont be using pkgbase for what ive gathered
17:28:03 <cpet> hence the creation of that script
17:28:06 <hernan604> right.. well i tried on monday and it could not find the pkg repos
17:28:11 <cpet> not sure why they chose lua
17:28:13 <cpet> but bleh
17:28:17 <lts-> Does pkg compile packages for RCs?
17:28:32 <lts-> pkg as in project
17:29:44 <hernan604> when i installed 15 RC-2 on monday, first thing i did was: pkg update .. and it just hang there
17:30:00 <cpet> RCs use the same packages as a release if I remeber right
17:30:06 <cpet> did you try again later ?
17:30:12 <hernan604> i did
17:30:16 <hernan604> same thing
17:30:23 <hernan604> but i can try a -RELEASE
17:30:34 <cpet> looking at the ML's a lot of wokr is being done with pkgbsd and naming and renaming things
17:30:39 <hernan604> where can i find the -RELEASE iso ?
17:30:52 <cpet> the same place you got the RC from
17:31:31 <hernan604> https://download.freebsd.org/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/15.0/   ?
17:31:45 <cpet> oh you measn for 15
17:31:49 <cpet> that doesnt exist yet
17:31:50 <V_PauAmma_V> hernan604, the question is not "where", but when.
17:32:04 <cpet> the latest release is 14.3
17:32:39 <hernan604> ahh right the RELEASE is not ready yet duh
17:33:50 <cpet> https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/
17:33:58 <hernan604> what about 15-STABLE , does "pkg update" "pkg install xyz" works ?
17:34:19 <cpet> they changed the name
17:34:23 <cpet> that could be why
17:34:30 <cpet> ports is now called FreeBSD-ports
17:34:44 <hernan604> hmmm
17:34:47 <cpet> so im sure if you edit pkg/FreeBSD.conf
17:34:51 <cpet> it would work
17:34:56 <hernan604> ok i will try 15-RC2 again then
17:35:07 <lts-> What is this, actual changes in FreeBSD
17:35:20 <hernan604> cpet: but change what part to what ? hard code the dir names ?
17:36:24 <cpet> i believe dir
17:37:48 <hernan604> ok thanks
17:40:51 <cpet> https://mail-archive.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=2828755+0+archive/2025/dev-commits-src-all/20251117.dev-commits-src-all
17:42:05 <hernan604> hmmmm
17:42:29 <cpet> https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?h=releng/15.0&id=9835413fb0788f65002a40f47e02c08e23047525
17:44:13 <cpet> https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/usr.sbin/pkg/FreeBSD.conf.latest?h=releng/15.0
17:50:00 <cpet> lts-: repo was changed from FreeBSD: to FreeBSD-ports so when you upgrade ports it should say pkgname [FreeBSD-ports] rather [FreeBSD]
17:53:34 <hernan604> cpet: ok
19:02:27 <hernan604> cpet: damn i discovered why "pkg update" on 15-RC was hanging in my machine.. my wifi was connecting to another "open" wifi name
19:03:35 <hernan604> i provided the correct wifi user/pass (hidden ssid) on the installer, it connected... but after the reboot, the system would connect to some other "open
19:03:51 <hernan604> ... "open" wifi network with a different name
19:04:28 <hernan604> and that network only showed the "portal" home page and didnt allow https requests
19:04:33 <hernan604> so pkg update just hangs
19:05:20 <hernan604> the installer could have saved the BSSID too in wpa_supplicant.conf ... and some setting to only "auto connect" to known networks if any exist in wpa_supplicant
19:05:34 <V_PauAmma_V> Indeed.
19:15:03 <cpet> hernan604: so human error as always
19:15:04 <cpet> :)
19:19:33 <hernan604> So, is it possible to upgrade from RC to RELEASE ?
19:20:03 <V_PauAmma_V> When RELEASE is available.
19:20:13 <hernan604> nice
19:20:50 <dvl> Why would drives be showing up as mfisyspd3 mfisyspd2 mfisyspd1 mfisyspd0 etc, despite /boot/loader.conf containing hw.mfi.mrsas_enable="1"
19:30:15 <V_PauAmma_V> dvl, mrsas(4) says that should be in /boot/device.hints.
19:30:42 <V_PauAmma_V> (On my 13.5, at least.)
19:34:52 <V_PauAmma_V> Unrelatedly, I have trouble not reading "mrsa" as "methicillin-resistant staphylococcus aureus".
19:37:47 <dvl> V_PauAmma_V: mrsa comes to mind
19:38:45 <dvl> mrsas.ko is loaded
19:39:59 <Macer> So is RC4 just getting skipped?
19:40:05 <Macer> It is crossed out.
19:40:25 <CrtxReavr> V_PauAmma_V, I don't think that's un-related.
19:44:08 <V_PauAmma_V> Macer, I'm not part of releng, but that seems to be the plan. The time between the last RC and RELEASE is normally 1 week, AFAIK.
19:47:52 <dvl> V_PauAmma_V: FWIW, device.hints didn't help it. I had this working yesterday on this same host. It's a test host so FreeBSD 14.3 was reinstalled today.
19:58:26 <V_PauAmma_V> dvl, so it was mrsas, then went back to mfi, and you're trying to switch it to mrsas again? This in mrsas(4) (both 13.5 and 14.3) may be relevant: "Changing the default behavior is well tested under most conditions, but unexpected behavior may pop up if more complex and unrealistic operations are executed by switching between the mfi(4) and mrsas drivers for MR-Fusion. Switching drivers is designed
19:58:32 <V_PauAmma_V> to happen only one time. Althoughmultiple switching is possible, it is not recommended. The user should decide from Start of Day which driver they want to use for the MR-Fusion card."
19:59:09 <dvl> V_PauAmma_V: This is a completely new reinstall.
19:59:32 <dvl> V_PauAmma_V: Meaning I have to decide before the install?
19:59:44 <V_PauAmma_V> Reinstall of the software, or the hardware?
19:59:53 <dvl> Software.
20:00:32 <dvl> i.e. I reinstall FreeBSD 14.3 on the drives.
20:00:35 <V_PauAmma_V> I smell something is set in card firmware flash when you switch derivers.
20:00:45 <dvl> Bugger
20:00:52 <V_PauAmma_V> s/deri/der/
20:00:59 <V_PauAmma_V> Yes.
20:02:03 <dvl> That's not nice.
20:04:57 <V_PauAmma_V> Agreed that it badly breaks POLA.
20:05:14 <V_PauAmma_V> (If I'm right about that hunch.)
20:05:54 <dvl> It does get loaded
20:05:56 <dvl> dvl@r730-04:~ $ grep mrsas /var/run/dmesg.boot
20:05:56 <dvl> AVAGO MegaRAID SAS FreeBSD mrsas driver version: 07.709.04.00-fbsd
20:06:45 <specialbomb> could someone help me understand how freebsd reports memory? I still feel vmstat is very unclear sometimes. I especially dont get it reporting more memory than I physically have
20:06:58 <V_PauAmma_V> But does mfi get loaded to?
20:07:11 <dvl> specialbomb: Reporting how, via what command (for example)?
20:08:21 <specialbomb> vmstat -h, what does the avm value mean?
20:08:44 <dvl> V_PauAmma_V: oh yeah baby.... https://bin.langille.org/?17bef990be09a4bf#8H44DRAnV5FCkYqa8oYk9q7tkpRHtY8fCtnudGbSLW4T
20:08:49 <specialbomb> its reporting a lot higher than physical
20:08:57 <dvl> specialbomb: I don't know, I'd start on the man page.
20:11:42 <specialbomb> I mean, I did, im just lost on what exactly a virtual page IS per se
20:11:54 <specialbomb> its a concept I havent understood so far I suppose
20:12:05 <dvl> "avm     mapped virtual  memory  (previously  called  active  in vmstat output)"
20:13:05 <dvl> "vmstat -- report	virtual	memory statistics" - and virtual memory isn't necessarily related to physical memory. That's your answer, if that helps.
20:13:23 <V_PauAmma_V> dvl, maybe try disabling mfi loading in loader.conf?
20:14:09 <specialbomb> I gathered that, but im curious about how virtual memory plays into this. I want to understand how its used, and how knowing the total can help me.
20:14:26 <dvl> V_PauAmma_V: Hmm, this returns nothing "kldstat | grep mfi"
20:15:15 <V_PauAmma_V> Maybe with that and hw.mfi.mrsas_enable="1", the expected device names will appear?
20:16:03 <V_PauAmma_V> I don't know, beyond that.
20:16:43 <cpet> https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/dev/mfi/mfi_syspd.c
20:16:50 <cpet> reading that your stuff is working as intended
20:18:59 <dvl> cpet: Please elaborate, What did you find in that code?
20:20:32 <dvl> That code has no comments to explain itself.
20:21:21 <cpet> mfi_arsas_enable just allows newer cards if you stil dont see the devices the chances of it being supported is slim to none
20:21:31 <cpet> the cards are listed under that code
20:21:40 <cpet> https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/dev/mfi/mfi_pci.c
20:21:46 <cpet> if its not listed there is not supported
20:22:13 <cpet> now the fact that something is shown and you see syspd devcices
20:22:16 <cpet> not sure what the issue is
20:22:36 <V_PauAmma_V> specialbomb, do https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/faq/#free-memory-amount and https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/faq/#more-swap help?
20:23:46 <dvl> cpet: Yesterday, this same host let me invoke mrsas - Today, booting off a different OS install, it's not.
20:24:39 <cpet> what was old vs what was new ?
20:28:13 <specialbomb> V_PauAmma_V: those are concepts im aware of, unfortunately
20:28:39 <specialbomb> ill prob send an email or something, just curious really
20:28:49 <V_PauAmma_V> *nod*
20:29:51 * V_PauAmma_V wanders off to wash dishes.
20:30:41 <cpet> specialbomb: as your system has more ram, don't think it matters where it goes
20:31:41 <specialbomb> true!
20:32:01 <cpet> this was back in the day when my system had 64mb and ram was precious
20:32:10 <specialbomb> but my curiosity bites me nonetheless
20:32:10 <cpet> now a system with 64gb is no longer the case
20:32:23 <cpet> even though wondering why firefox is using 16GB with only 9 tabs is
20:32:31 <cpet> but still not enough for me to spend a dya wondering why
20:35:24 <thermos> it'll keep growing too, you keep buying more ram? browser gonna keep eating more ram :D
20:50:22 <nimaje> I throught the memstick image should contain everything needed to install freebsd, even if you are installing on a system that needs a network driver from packages (like realtek-re-kmod for example); I did a pkg fetch and manually unpacked it to the installer, so I have network while installing (to install realtek-re-kmod on the newly installed system and to fetch the -dbg sets), shouldn't there
20:50:24 <nimaje> be a better way?
20:51:15 <cpet> the only image that contains a relatively complete system is the dvd
20:51:28 <cpet> most drivers and firmware aren't included due to licensing issues
20:54:37 <nimaje> specialbomb: something that belongs to virtual memory too are mmapped files which don't need to reside in RAM when RAM is needed for something else, as files are backed by some device and then you can have fun with overcommit too, not sure if that counts to avm
21:01:17 <specialbomb> ah thats a good note, ty
21:02:07 <cpet> isnt there a man page for jemalloc ?
21:37:01 <V_PauAmma_V> jemalloc is contributed software, which (per https://jasone.github.io/2025/06/12/jemalloc-postmortem/) is no longer maintained.
21:41:49 <nimaje> cpet: yes, there is a man page; why are you searching for it? because of the previous virtual memory disscussion? if yes, how would that man page help?
22:21:48 <specialbomb> quick question, my motherboard has two gigabit ethernet ports but they have different drivers between each other. should it still be possible to do a LACP lagg between them?
22:22:06 <specialbomb> I say ports, I mean NICs lol
22:24:35 <rwp> specialbomb, AFAIK that won't make any difference and yes you can aggregate them.
22:25:12 <specialbomb> sounds good. I just remember reading something, perhaps its just in my head. thanks!
22:25:44 <rwp> Also regarding the word "ports" yes we also call it the ethernet port too.  It's a word that requires context but ethernet port is okay for it.
22:37:11 <specialbomb> I just try to be as specific as I can!
22:37:53 <cpet> kind of defeats the purpose if I have to use specific nics and same nics
22:50:11 <V_PauAmma_V> It can even be a physical network interface and a wlan interface. This is handy for laptops.
22:50:58 <V_PauAmma_V> (Although probably not using LACP in this case.)
22:58:35 <JetpackJackson> Is there a way to use Bastille to bootstrap a non Ubuntu distro?
23:06:36 <vkarlsen> JetpackJackson is a cool nickname
23:07:13 <JetpackJackson> Thanks
23:07:38 <JetpackJackson> Im trying to install orca slicer in a Linux jail and trying to get either the flatpak or the appimage to work
23:10:56 <cpet> JetpackJackson: a normal linux emu doesnt work ?
23:13:04 <cpet> https://wiki.freebsd.org/LinuxJails
23:13:24 <cpet> you can use debootstrap
23:13:44 <cpet> and then do a debootstrap whatever stupid name debian calls its distro now /compat/ubuntu
23:15:28 <cpet> https://docs.bastillebsd.org/en/latest/chapters/linux-jails.html
23:15:35 <cpet> says it uses debootstrap so
23:26:28 <JetpackJackson> cpet: wdym, I thought a jail was normal
23:26:40 <JetpackJackson> Oh the compat/ thing
23:26:49 <JetpackJackson> Uh lowkey forgot I had that
23:26:53 <JetpackJackson> I guess I'll try that
23:27:27 <cpet> plus orca slice makes my router not to use it
23:27:50 <cpet> Website Blocked by Trend Micro™ Home Network Security
23:27:52 <cpet> heh
23:55:38 <JetpackJackson> Ah