cpet : this is a fun thing with my home Asus router. Even with packet inspection disabled i sometimes get trendmicro to block sites. No idea why that would happen. it's all off in the UI.

Alright, I'm going to try the videochat thing again. I've got the old system back in place, so we can take the opportunity to debug without impacting what people need to do.

grimpeux: first time ive seen it in the yr ive had this setup

grimpeux: i only got this package as I wanted to customize the wireless channels

cpet then it's likely a broken firmware from Asus. can't trust anyone really these days to not break something on update.

So, i have this weird situation. This machine has 2 hdds. 1 disk for the distro install and another disk for /home. I can mount the homedirs and access everything. BUT, if the homedirs from disk2 is mounted, X crashes when i startx.

i tried to remove the .xinitrc, .config, .local, etc from the homedir in disk2

and X crashes on startx

What could be the problem ?

i think i will create a third home dir empty and try to use that and see if that works

and by the way, everything was working till a reboot eaerly in the week

when you startx are the files accessible?

i.e. can you cat them?

grimpeux: i can yes

so i created an empty /home/test in second hdd and mounted as user homedir... and startx works

wtf..

and perms and the rest are the same

weird

grimpeux: oh now it worked. i think /home/user/.cache was fuked

hernan604: so 1 HD for boot 1 HD for home yet creating a mirror was not the ideal thing to do ?

thumbs up

the documents make setting up suricata hard

now im not a fan of using the server client dashboard things like grafana

so tail it is

cpet: mirror how ? the hdds are of different size, the idea was to be able to upgrade OS and keep homedir

anyways the problem is not about mirroring...

it was about .cache in homedir

hernan604: ok i guess i should of asked that

need to create a script that converts my brutes file to cidr

cpet: echo ${1}/24

brutes is 3678 lines

the point is to make that into less not the same

friggen python. weak typing or strong typing? weak - but you still have to typecast a string containing a digit into an integer to use it as an integer

Koston, AWK forever

I'm ashamed to admit I kinda got fed up with sed/awk/etc because of all the differences between BSD and GNU versions

Koston: I'm not *too* familiar with sed/awk. If you don't use GNU/BSD-isms, does it not work on the other system?

AFAIK Python has always been strongly typed, both before and after it introduced type hints.

Koston: python has strong dynamic typing, javascript would be an example of a language with weak dynamic typing and C a language with weak static typing and Rust strong static typing

and that isn't a cast, you parse the string to an integer there

nimaje: thanks for correcting. what's the difference between casting and parsing a string to an integer tho

with casting you interprete the bit pattern of an object in another way

so if you had the character 0 and cast it to an integer you probably get 48 because characters are probably ascii or unicode codepoints in your program

ah, now I understand. so parsing a '0' to an integer actually produces integer 0, while casting '0' to an integer produces 0x30 (48)

well, if the bit pattern is indeed 0x30, maybe you are on a special systems that has other constraints for the character set and so uses some other bit pattern, as all those control sequences ascii contains aren't needed, game consoles come to mind

I just added 0x prefix to explicitly state it's a hex value

yeah, I understood and used it that way too, but for example on pokemon emerald the bit pattern for the character 0 would be 0xA1 (161) as they don't need to be ascii compatible and want to pack lots of special characters in the character set and still use 8bit for a character

ah right

I'm still amazed MWL wrote a book about using `ed`

it may be the standard editor but these days I'm pretty sure you have to install it manually, whereas `vi` is more universal

it seems designed around using an actual, print-out teletype

it's kind of like `awk` and `perl`: I've learned it two or three times now and I still don't know it

for awk think of the input lines as events and your program just matches events to actions

No, ed(1) is part of base.

and why wouldn't ed and vi still the same program, just started in diffrent modes (vi historically was that ed would start in *vi*sual mode when started as vi, like when they are hard linked)

Hi! Our FreeBSD 14.3 ntpd is exiting a lot (simple server a.b.c.d iburst config, feeding off a Windows timeserver instance) ... does anyone know how to debug/fix that ?

mm, I think it was maybe void that didn't have it by default

I really should learn vi better, I've been an emacs nerd for far too long and I'm good at it, but lately I've gotten used to using `vi` for sysadmin stuff to the point where on my desktop I'm constantly surprised when I sudoedit something and emacs opens and I wind up dumping a bunch of vi commands into the buffer before I work it out

zip: I kinda learned ed when I was messing around with plan9/9front and needed to edit a file i messed up and I couldn't use acme

I occasionally have to pull out the cheatsheet. it ain't bad, sometimes

zip: Then try bash in vi mode editor mode

s/mode editor/editor/

nrubsig: ntpd should log why it exits to the system log, something I have seen occasionally is ntpd exiting because the diffrence between the system clock and what it gets is to big

nimaje: Is there a way to prevent this ?

zip: I have a similar problem but with vi and vim, sometimes EDITOR isn't set and sudoedit dumps me into vi instead of vim and I try to do simple stuff like ciw and forgot that that doesn't work in vi

nrubsig: did you already check /var/log/messages that the adjustment diffrence is why ntpd is exiting? is it only at start-up because the RTC of the mainboard is bad at keeping the time while the system is powered down? then you could try ntpd_sync_on_start="YES" in /etc/rc.conf

media.ccc.de/v/vcfb2021_-_138_-_en_…ate_computer_club_-_pontus_pihlgren pretty interesting (but well i am a nerd that likes this kind of stuff)

nimaje: It's a Virtual machine, and my guess is that the virtula RTC is as reliable as predicting the future with the guts of pigeons...

I call on my fremen to stop it

15 rc3 problems?

Paul-muadib: I'll send my Honored Matres assassins after them...

nimaje: ntpd_sync_on_start="YES" was already set in /etc/rc.conf

nimaje: Do you have any other ideas ?

sorry my crystal ball is currently broken

nrubsig Have you tried ntpdate_enable="YES" ?

o0x1eef: it's enabled and running

ntpdate_enable does not run a daemon, it adjusts the time at boot and that's all

o0x1eef: Ouch, sorry. ENOCOFFEE, ENOBRAIN, ntpd_sync_on_start="YES" is enabled, ntpdate_enable="YES" is not

I'm not familiar with that option but it appears to append the -g switch which makes it less likely that ntpd will exit at boot time due to a large amount of jitter, but doesn't seem to set the time.

Has anyone been able to run flatpak GUI apps or appimages inside the Ubuntu linuxulator chroot? I either get "can't connect to system bus" or errors about missing libraries or fuse missing

ntpd will set the time then, that is exactly what it is for, on some systems it is even required, as whoever designed it throught it is a good idea to leave out a RTC to save costs

(if -g didn't set the time, the second attempt to set the time would have a big gap too and it would exit then)

nimaje: How can I set the time update interval to something like every 60 secs ?

Sooo yesterday I asked about accessing AMD Ryzen's turbo frequencies and cpet kindly sparred with me about it. Turns out *cough* that the CPU goes to turbo just fine, most of the tools just don't show it and just display the base frequency from dev.cpu.0.freq. Ahem.

so /etc/ntp.conf has minpoll and maxpoll parameters for the poll intervals for NTP messages nrubsig... though I haven't tried.. just did man ntpd and then man ntp.conf and some light reading

Now I get GLIBC_2.38 not found when trying to extract and run the appimage in my Ubuntu chroot... Maybe I'll try podman or smth

im running 15.0-RC2 on the desktop and so far so good

JetpackJackson: Does the Ubuntu chroot have that glibc version installed?

Er how do I check

You can look around the directories of the chroot manually from the host or you could chroot in and attempt to use whatever Ubuntu command shows you installed packages (although without glibc I highly doubt that would work).

Hmm I just found this OrcaSlicer/OrcaSlicer #10990

I'm going to try the older version

Dangit same error

OK gonna check glibc

It seems to be 2.35

Gonna try to update the chroot

TommyC: chroot is still updating, I'll keep you updated when its done

I got my mrssa back /cc V_PauAmma_V

hw.mfi.mrsas_enable="1"

mrsas_load="YES"

^ in /boot/loader.conf and rebooted. I have no explanation as to why that worked this time.

TommyC: no dice. The upgrade completed but it complained about systemd being broken and the appimage gives me "unrefined symbol: g_once_init_leave_pointer"

cool

mras should be default, but switching will probably violate POLA

mzar: I'd like to know how I can tell the install process to use mrsas not mfi

You sure it says "unrefined"? I feel like it would more likely say "undefined".

The mfi install gives errors.

dvl: last time I wanted mras to work in installer I just typed a few lines at loader prompt IIRC

mzar: OH, and then continue into the installer?

load, then boot

but for another machine it was easier to connect its SSD to working system and install everything by hand

If this install attempt files, I'm onto that idea next.

it will not fail, no worries

mzar: so into loader prompt, `load mrsas` -> can't find `mrsas`

mzar: I think I follow now: forum.netgate.com/topic/102137/dell-r330-perc-h330-sas

nrubsig, In /etc/rc.conf file set these three variables: ntpd_enable="YES" ntpd_sync_on_start="YES" ntp_leapfile_sources="data.iana.org/time-zones/tzdb/leap-seconds.list" and then run "service ntpd restart" and that is all that you should ever need to do unless the ntp.conf file is broken.

Yes, that's got me ada0 etc. Improvement.

nrubsig, You said you are using a Windows upstream timeserver. Are you also using a global pool too? If you configured /etc/ntp.conf for only a local timeserver that's okay but then don't change any of the other defaults in /etc/ntp.conf but remove the default pool line and add in your "server 192.168.0.1 iburst" line or whatever.

nrubsig, Wait several minutes for ntpd to get into steady state. Run "ntpq -p" and review the operating state of it. I can help interpret this information if you pastebin it for me.

dvl: I am sorry, we have constant power outages due to heavy snowfall

dvl: set hw.mfi.mrsas_enable="1"

mzar: No worries I got it.,

mzar: If you don't mind, where are you?

dvl: load /boot/kernel/kernel

load /boot/kernel/zfs.ko

boot

Oh I didn't go that part, I went straight to boot

dvl: I am form SE .pl

OK, perhaps it was already loaded

mid tension lines are broken, but no worries, we are still running FreeBSD here ;-)

mzar: Good. :)

mzar: It's late November, snow isn't uncommon for you at this time. I'm guessing. I have been to PL once, Warsaw, EuroBSDCon.

dvl: snow becomes less and less common each year ;-P

Oh oh

dvl: Warsaw has changed a lot, you have to reproduce

did it boot fine ?

mzar: My visit was in Oct 2012 - I'm sure it has changed.

mzar: yes, and missed going into the boot loader again, I got mfi.

ha.. you have to repeat

mzar: Perhaps not the full install. I'm trying just a reboot.

mzar: OK for a private message?

OK

it's never a problem for me

TommyC: oops I fat fingered it

Yes it was undefined

Also just found github.com/OrcaSlicer/OrcaSlicer/discussions/10307

JetpackJackson: I always dislike having to type stuff from screens... why can't copy/paste work easily.

Because I don't have a IRC or XMPP client installed on the laptop yet

Why not: cat <file> | nc termbin.com 9999

Oh

Forgot that kind of thing existed

Sorry

I'll use that from now on

Currently downloading wine to see if I can run the windows version of orca slicer

mzar: After changing the boot order etc, the new install is booting just fine.

This is my test host, for testing stupid things, like shrinking zpools. see recent posts: dan.langille.org

thank you.

your blog looks like a good read, thanks for the link dvl

mzar: Thanks. I put stuff there so I don't have to remember it and so I can show people what I did when I mess up. It helps when getting help.

next step will be probably using zfs send | zfs recv to move complete layout

mzar: Exactly. This recent install was to a pair of 240G drives. Now I'm going to try setting up the 2x SATADOMS and move the zroot to those devices.

mzar: If the SATADOMS were >= than the current SATA devices, I'd be using `zfs replace` and be done with it. ;)

ha.. zfs replace might be easier, but moving everything with zfs send|recv will be better

zpool set bootfs="zroot/ROOT/default" "zroot" is important afer receiving datasets, but IIRC if you have this layout, FreeBSD boot loader will try to mount / from this dataset by default even without this property

mzar: Yes, I will be doing send-recv. Right now, I'm renaming my zroot_n to zroot (forums.freebsd.org/threads/renaming-zfs-pool-via-zpool-import.65498)

that's realy fast and seamless migration

it's better to remove old, stale zfs snapshots from the original drive if they are no logner required, this step can significanly speed up the migration

rwp: Are you around ?

!summon --mode=now,get-him --payment=exwife,2nd-born,65kg-of-neptunium-237 rwp

Hmm it seems to work in wine kinda? Like its slow and the icons are weird and msedgewebview2 keeps dying

Im redownloading it cause I cleared the wine prefix after I installed wine 32 bit

nrubsig, LOL! Too funny. Love it! Do you have a question? Or a pastebin of something to review?

FreeBSD hates me: "ntpd[776]: kernel reports TIME_ERROR: 0x41: Clock Unsynchronized"

printf 'server 10.49.0.8 prefer minpoll 5 maxpoll 8\nlogfile /var/log/ntp.log\nleapfile "/var/db/ntpd.leap-seconds.list"\n' >'/etc/ntp.conf'

# ntpq -p

remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter

==============================================================================

*DERFW1DC01.glob 10.49.0.5 4 u 11 32 37 0.935 -0.216 0.088

I am pretty sure I told the <WORD-CENSORED-by-AVIRA-CHATPROTECT(license=*.libera.org);hash=LAxL2sKfzu2sLHHASL> to use 10.49.0.8 and be very <WORD-CENSORED-by-AVIRA-CHATPROTECT(license=*.libera.org);hash=LAxL2sKfzu2sLHHASL>

Learn to love the pastebin on IRC for things like that. Among other things there is a Libera.Chat global bot that will kick you if there is too much pasting all at once.

In the ntpq -p output the jitter looks very stable. Definitely a LAN source.

The reach field is a bit field so 37 is octal bits 11 111 where each bit is whether the packet made the trip or not. All 1s is good and all packets made the trip.

OK, but where does the 10.49.0.5 come from ? I configured "server 10.49.0.8" ...

The poll field is how often the client is polling. The client starts out polling more often, in your case 32 seconds which seems lower than the default 64. After it becomes stable in steady state with a stable clock it will lengthen the time to longer intervals up to the max which I believe is 1024 seconds between packets.

OK, but I am mainly concerned that it does not seem to use the server (10.49.0.8) which I want

The when field is the time between now and when the most recent packet was received. So in the above it was only 11 seconds ago.

The server was looked up in DNS and found to be DERFW1DC01.glob. I should have asked for the ntpq -n option too which will avoid DNS and just display the address. That might make more sense.

I think if you use ntpq -np that it will display 10.49.0.8 in that left field location where DERFW1DC01.glob is displayed now. Please try it and report the result?

The interesting information with regards to this from the /etc/ntp.conf file is: grep -e ^pool -e ^server -e ^peer /etc/ntp.conf

I always use hard coded IP addresses for local servers there rather than DNS names in order to remove any dependence upon DNS misconfiguration. And my local servers never change either.

ntpq -np says 10.49.0.8 in the first field

Look up the reverse DNS of that address on your net and I expect it to be that name: host 10.49.0.8

(sorry for the words)

rwp: Thanks

rwp: Email address, please

really

Did you actually paste in that WORD-CENSORED-by-AVIRA-CHATPROTECT stuff? Or is that some feature of Libera.Chat bots that I had not encountered before? It's interesting that it would do that! I think a misconfigured bot.

<WORD-CENSORED-by-AVIRA-CHATPROTECT(license=*.libera.org);hash=LAxL2sKfzu2sLHHASL>

Interesting.

rwp: Well, I think I just use verrrryyy-baaaad-words. They are so bad curse words that it would break your imagination

rwp: See nrubsig.kpaste.net/e692915

so the 7 words you cvant say on tv

nrubsig.kpaste.net/e692915 might have a temporary problem or it could have moved.

Error code: 500 Internal Server Error

hah

Technically that AVIRA-thing is an old joke from the irc.mozilla.org and OpenSolaris days

rwp: Does nrubsig.kpaste.net/e692915?raw work for you ?

cpet, I had to reload the page twice and then it came up.

nrubsig, Yes. I could see both of the pages. I prefer the raw one.

whats wrong with using one of the default ones ?

So is line 72 the problem?

or even time.windows.com ?

rwp: No, the problem is sitting on front of the keybord right now. I didn't nslookup DERFW1DC01

FreeBSD has a distro pool and I suggest that, with any of 0, 1, 2: pool 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org iburst

i just do ntpdate time.windows.com

and thats pretty much the only time I care about time

rwp: right, but this is a company network, and they block and filter everything. The only reason I have IRC access is because I poined out that I need that for WORK

No worries nrubsig! So you saw that funky name for the winders machine, which often have funky names, and didn't realize it was the one you configured. Gotcha.

nrubsig, Me laughs about the reviewed-by there. :-)

cpet, I think the ntp community has been trying to get people to stop using ntpdate for about twenty years now. It's been superseded by ntpd -g for all of that time.

I think they should just ship ntpdate as a small shell script which calls ntpd with -g now and let the old ntpdate binary disappear.

The "man 8 ntpdate" page is hilarious on this: "After a suitable period of mourning, the ntpdate utility is to be retired from this distribution."

i dont see a point in running a time daemon

if it works leave it alone (TM)

If it works for you without then okay and good for you. Anyone with a local collection of systems will want to run NTP in order to keep systems together in time. For example make across a couple of different networked storage systems will really freak out if the time is not moving together.

i run NFS that shares my home dir with the server

none of them run ntpd and I have yet to have any issues with time as they are synced with a couple minutes difference

rwp: Does nrubsig.kpaste.net/ad8796?raw look better (ntpdate removed) ?

I say yes. Because configuring ntpd_sync_on_start="YES" will supply the -g option and it will do the same thing.

LOL! You need some patience. You realize I am multitasking doing other things too. :-)

No one answered "xyzzy? Kids these days. No sense of Adventure.

rwp: normally i ignore those impatient ones

rwp: My 3y&&2y toddlers refuse to sleep and torture my wife right now... that's why I want to go home and exercise extreme and unusual punishment on the kids... guess why I want to go home... fast ?

nrubsig, On line 58 you are writing the entire ntp.conf file but I don't think you have included all of the important parts of the configuration. On a default system run "sed 's/#.*//;/^$/d' /etc/ntp.conf" to see what you are missing.

nrubsig: I would goto the bar and come home after

let the wife deal with the kids

rwp / cpet today's punishment will include the use of ikea.com/de/en/p/skogsduva-soft-toy-bumblebee-black-yellow-00576907

I also don't know what /etc/inet/ntp.conf is used for there as that seems unrelated to anything.

rwp: that is for SystemV OSes like Solaris and Illumos

hah

hrm the default ntpd.conf should be fine for most

The bee is very cute! What I do when possible/practical is I always modify the default file rather than overwrite the default file. Then I get the current system defaults and the only thing I need to change are the ^pool and/or ^server lines.

rwp: this whole thing is for quick tests setups to setup a VM, install the target OS, start NFS server, test the Windows (no joke) ms-nfs41-client NFSv4.2 client aainst that server, and then discard the VM

sanity happens elsewhere

whats the point ?

Sounds like the point is testing that the windows system is functioning properly. Seems reasonable.

so you create a whole VM vs some magiv with powershell?

(kids these days are on their phones/tablets doomscrolling themselves to death)

yeap

i remeber when I got a job at fedex and we were told no phone, first day at work everyone had a phone and they were listening to music and responding to txts

cpet: No, I am working on a Windows (yes, as ex-MPK17 SUN Solaris engineer it sounds... weird) NFSv4.2 kernel filesystem driver

(client)

which means I need to test against NFSv4.1/NFSv4.2 servers

including FreeBSD, which has become my 2nd favourite after the Solaris 11.4 one

hehe doesnt windows opensoalris and freebsd all have/include nfs up to 4.1 support ?

TIL libera filters certain words

Also the setup wizard doesnt show up in orca slicer in wine. I feel stuck

have you tried cloning the src and building it on freebsd ?

No

I guess I'll try that in my VM where I have more ram and CPU

or why dont you dual boot a linux distro

heh

I mean I guess but that feels like I'm giving up or "failed"

why?

i installed endeaver linux cause I could not get windows VM to finish the install due to limitations of bhyve

i need windows vm to run some class software

a pr was submitted

but i still need windows for some finger print software

Like cause then people will be like "then just use Linux/windows instead"

is that a failure ?

Idk

no

Alright fair

i di dmy job to submit a PR

and I will try again when 15.0 is released

to be fair it did work in wine

Nice

now for what I personally use the PC for

freebsd works fine

Yeah I guess I'll try building and then ask on the orca slicer github if it doesnt work

now if I want every piece of HW to work in freebsd

that will never happen

Ah

i have been using freebsd for 25 years and I will always choose it over anything else

but sometimes things dont work

and you have to just go well shit its easier to just isntall a windows vm or a linux VM or dual boot

than to fiddle for 4 days

Fair

I need to look into bhyve vs qemu

windows 11 doesnt work that well with bhyve

due to windows need for tpm

other then that bhyve works awesomely for any other linux or older windows

now I have never had a need to 3d print stuff

nor would I pay for one

but some of the shit its capable of doing is awesome indeed

but I am sure with a little help and debugging you can compile orca

and possibly even create a port to benefit others who need or use it

win win

True

OK I feel very now

Thank you

i remeber it took me 3 months to upgrade hplip from 2.x to 3.x

*better now

and I couldnt get USB support working and someone random said hey try this

Fat fingered it cause cat in lap

Oh

+#ifdef __FreeBSD__

+ || ret == -EIO

+#endif

that was the fix

Oh wow

on a side note progmras who are linux specific and make it as hard as possible to not be portable should be avoided at all costs