00:50:42 cpet : this is a fun thing with my home Asus router. Even with packet inspection disabled i sometimes get trendmicro to block sites. No idea why that would happen. it's all off in the UI. 00:52:09 Alright, I'm going to try the videochat thing again. I've got the old system back in place, so we can take the opportunity to debug without impacting what people need to do. 01:00:58 grimpeux: first time ive seen it in the yr ive had this setup 01:01:20 grimpeux: i only got this package as I wanted to customize the wireless channels 01:56:11 cpet then it's likely a broken firmware from Asus. can't trust anyone really these days to not break something on update. 01:59:56 So, i have this weird situation. This machine has 2 hdds. 1 disk for the distro install and another disk for /home. I can mount the homedirs and access everything. BUT, if the homedirs from disk2 is mounted, X crashes when i startx. 02:00:26 i tried to remove the .xinitrc, .config, .local, etc from the homedir in disk2 02:00:35 and X crashes on startx 02:00:40 What could be the problem ? 02:01:00 i think i will create a third home dir empty and try to use that and see if that works 02:01:29 and by the way, everything was working till a reboot eaerly in the week 02:01:50 when you startx are the files accessible? 02:01:57 i.e. can you cat them? 02:05:03 grimpeux: i can yes 02:09:42 so i created an empty /home/test in second hdd and mounted as user homedir... and startx works 02:09:46 wtf.. 02:14:17 and perms and the rest are the same 02:14:20 weird 02:19:16 grimpeux: oh now it worked. i think /home/user/.cache was fuked 02:56:14 hernan604: so 1 HD for boot 1 HD for home yet creating a mirror was not the ideal thing to do ? 02:57:38 thumbs up 03:09:03 the documents make setting up suricata hard 03:10:21 now im not a fan of using the server client dashboard things like grafana 03:10:24 so tail it is 03:55:18 cpet: mirror how ? the hdds are of different size, the idea was to be able to upgrade OS and keep homedir 03:57:07 anyways the problem is not about mirroring... 03:57:15 it was about .cache in homedir 04:43:06 hernan604: ok i guess i should of asked that 04:50:50 need to create a script that converts my brutes file to cidr 04:55:52 cpet: echo ${1}/24 04:56:28 brutes is 3678 lines 04:57:31 the point is to make that into less not the same 10:19:42 friggen python. weak typing or strong typing? weak - but you still have to typecast a string containing a digit into an integer to use it as an integer 10:35:40 Koston, AWK forever 10:36:47 I'm ashamed to admit I kinda got fed up with sed/awk/etc because of all the differences between BSD and GNU versions 10:48:49 Koston: I'm not *too* familiar with sed/awk. If you don't use GNU/BSD-isms, does it not work on the other system? 10:48:50 AFAIK Python has always been strongly typed, both before and after it introduced type hints. 10:48:55 Koston: python has strong dynamic typing, javascript would be an example of a language with weak dynamic typing and C a language with weak static typing and Rust strong static typing 10:49:33 and that isn't a cast, you parse the string to an integer there 10:50:05 nimaje: thanks for correcting. what's the difference between casting and parsing a string to an integer tho 10:52:26 with casting you interprete the bit pattern of an object in another way 10:56:21 so if you had the character 0 and cast it to an integer you probably get 48 because characters are probably ascii or unicode codepoints in your program 11:07:08 ah, now I understand. so parsing a '0' to an integer actually produces integer 0, while casting '0' to an integer produces 0x30 (48) 11:12:43 well, if the bit pattern is indeed 0x30, maybe you are on a special systems that has other constraints for the character set and so uses some other bit pattern, as all those control sequences ascii contains aren't needed, game consoles come to mind 11:13:37 I just added 0x prefix to explicitly state it's a hex value 11:21:50 yeah, I understood and used it that way too, but for example on pokemon emerald the bit pattern for the character 0 would be 0xA1 (161) as they don't need to be ascii compatible and want to pack lots of special characters in the character set and still use 8bit for a character 11:24:30 ah right 11:27:14 I'm still amazed MWL wrote a book about using `ed` 11:27:47 it may be the standard editor but these days I'm pretty sure you have to install it manually, whereas `vi` is more universal 11:28:47 it seems designed around using an actual, print-out teletype 11:29:20 it's kind of like `awk` and `perl`: I've learned it two or three times now and I still don't know it 11:31:25 for awk think of the input lines as events and your program just matches events to actions 11:37:47 No, ed(1) is part of base. 11:40:38 and why wouldn't ed and vi still the same program, just started in diffrent modes (vi historically was that ed would start in *vi*sual mode when started as vi, like when they are hard linked) 12:20:58 Hi! Our FreeBSD 14.3 ntpd is exiting a lot (simple server a.b.c.d iburst config, feeding off a Windows timeserver instance) ... does anyone know how to debug/fix that ? 12:21:18 mm, I think it was maybe void that didn't have it by default 12:22:49 I really should learn vi better, I've been an emacs nerd for far too long and I'm good at it, but lately I've gotten used to using `vi` for sysadmin stuff to the point where on my desktop I'm constantly surprised when I sudoedit something and emacs opens and I wind up dumping a bunch of vi commands into the buffer before I work it out 12:23:07 zip: I kinda learned ed when I was messing around with plan9/9front and needed to edit a file i messed up and I couldn't use acme 12:23:30 I occasionally have to pull out the cheatsheet. it ain't bad, sometimes 12:23:31 zip: Then try bash in vi mode editor mode 12:23:49 s/mode editor/editor/ 12:24:33 nrubsig: ntpd should log why it exits to the system log, something I have seen occasionally is ntpd exiting because the diffrence between the system clock and what it gets is to big 12:25:17 nimaje: Is there a way to prevent this ? 12:25:44 * nrubsig boots FreeBSD 14.3 now 12:26:57 zip: I have a similar problem but with vi and vim, sometimes EDITOR isn't set and sudoedit dumps me into vi instead of vim and I try to do simple stuff like ciw and forgot that that doesn't work in vi 12:33:21 nrubsig: did you already check /var/log/messages that the adjustment diffrence is why ntpd is exiting? is it only at start-up because the RTC of the mainboard is bad at keeping the time while the system is powered down? then you could try ntpd_sync_on_start="YES" in /etc/rc.conf 12:35:25 https://media.ccc.de/v/vcfb2021_-_138_-_en_-_202110091800_-_update_computer_club_-_pontus_pihlgren pretty interesting (but well i am a nerd that likes this kind of stuff) 12:37:14 nimaje: It's a Virtual machine, and my guess is that the virtula RTC is as reliable as predicting the future with the guts of pigeons... 12:37:46 * nrubsig sends his Sandworm army after Paul-muadib 12:38:20 I call on my fremen to stop it 12:38:31 15 rc3 problems? 12:39:08 Paul-muadib: I'll send my Honored Matres assassins after them... 12:50:37 nimaje: ntpd_sync_on_start="YES" was already set in /etc/rc.conf 12:50:45 nimaje: Do you have any other ideas ? 12:51:52 sorry my crystal ball is currently broken 12:59:36 nrubsig Have you tried ntpdate_enable="YES" ? 12:59:49 * nrubsig prepares the curse of Bel-Shamharoth to mend nimaje's crytal ball (payment: soul, exwife, 2nd-born, ...) 13:00:15 o0x1eef: it's enabled and running 13:00:42 ntpdate_enable does not run a daemon, it adjusts the time at boot and that's all 13:03:40 o0x1eef: Ouch, sorry. ENOCOFFEE, ENOBRAIN, ntpd_sync_on_start="YES" is enabled, ntpdate_enable="YES" is not 13:08:41 I'm not familiar with that option but it appears to append the -g switch which makes it less likely that ntpd will exit at boot time due to a large amount of jitter, but doesn't seem to set the time. 14:05:00 Has anyone been able to run flatpak GUI apps or appimages inside the Ubuntu linuxulator chroot? I either get "can't connect to system bus" or errors about missing libraries or fuse missing 14:06:38 ntpd will set the time then, that is exactly what it is for, on some systems it is even required, as whoever designed it throught it is a good idea to leave out a RTC to save costs 14:10:28 (if -g didn't set the time, the second attempt to set the time would have a big gap too and it would exit then) 14:23:58 nimaje: How can I set the time update interval to something like every 60 secs ? 15:22:50 Sooo yesterday I asked about accessing AMD Ryzen's turbo frequencies and cpet kindly sparred with me about it. Turns out *cough* that the CPU goes to turbo just fine, most of the tools just don't show it and just display the base frequency from dev.cpu.0.freq. Ahem. 16:26:40 so /etc/ntp.conf has minpoll and maxpoll parameters for the poll intervals for NTP messages nrubsig... though I haven't tried.. just did man ntpd and then man ntp.conf and some light reading 16:35:47 Now I get GLIBC_2.38 not found when trying to extract and run the appimage in my Ubuntu chroot... Maybe I'll try podman or smth 16:37:58 im running 15.0-RC2 on the desktop and so far so good 16:44:52 JetpackJackson: Does the Ubuntu chroot have that glibc version installed? 16:45:07 Er how do I check 16:51:58 You can look around the directories of the chroot manually from the host or you could chroot in and attempt to use whatever Ubuntu command shows you installed packages (although without glibc I highly doubt that would work). 16:56:38 Hmm I just found this https://github.com/OrcaSlicer/OrcaSlicer/issues/10990 16:56:47 I'm going to try the older version 16:59:53 Dangit same error 16:59:58 OK gonna check glibc 17:01:49 It seems to be 2.35 17:05:54 Gonna try to update the chroot 17:12:19 TommyC: chroot is still updating, I'll keep you updated when its done 17:30:36 I got my mrssa back /cc V_PauAmma_V 17:31:15 hw.mfi.mrsas_enable="1" 17:31:15 mrsas_load="YES" 17:31:15 ^ in /boot/loader.conf and rebooted. I have no explanation as to why that worked this time. 18:06:07 * V_PauAmma_V nods at dvl. Weird. 18:13:02 TommyC: no dice. The upgrade completed but it complained about systemd being broken and the appimage gives me "unrefined symbol: g_once_init_leave_pointer" 18:17:08 cool 18:17:47 mras should be default, but switching will probably violate POLA 18:21:02 mzar: I'd like to know how I can tell the install process to use mrsas not mfi 18:21:40 You sure it says "unrefined"? I feel like it would more likely say "undefined". 18:23:14 The mfi install gives errors. 18:23:43 dvl: last time I wanted mras to work in installer I just typed a few lines at loader prompt IIRC 18:24:07 mzar: OH, and then continue into the installer? 18:24:21 load, then boot 18:25:33 but for another machine it was easier to connect its SSD to working system and install everything by hand 18:25:51 If this install attempt files, I'm onto that idea next. 18:26:14 it will not fail, no worries 18:38:29 mzar: so into loader prompt, `load mrsas` -> can't find `mrsas` 18:54:55 mzar: I think I follow now: https://forum.netgate.com/topic/102137/dell-r330-perc-h330-sas 18:55:20 nrubsig, In /etc/rc.conf file set these three variables: ntpd_enable="YES" ntpd_sync_on_start="YES" ntp_leapfile_sources="https://data.iana.org/time-zones/tzdb/leap-seconds.list" and then run "service ntpd restart" and that is all that you should ever need to do unless the ntp.conf file is broken. 18:56:09 Yes, that's got me ada0 etc. Improvement. 18:57:28 nrubsig, You said you are using a Windows upstream timeserver. Are you also using a global pool too? If you configured /etc/ntp.conf for only a local timeserver that's okay but then don't change any of the other defaults in /etc/ntp.conf but remove the default pool line and add in your "server 192.168.0.1 iburst" line or whatever. 18:58:18 nrubsig, Wait several minutes for ntpd to get into steady state. Run "ntpq -p" and review the operating state of it. I can help interpret this information if you pastebin it for me. 18:58:52 dvl: I am sorry, we have constant power outages due to heavy snowfall 18:59:01 dvl: set hw.mfi.mrsas_enable="1" 18:59:06 mzar: No worries I got it., 18:59:17 mzar: If you don't mind, where are you? 18:59:19 dvl: load /boot/kernel/kernel 18:59:32 load /boot/kernel/zfs.ko 18:59:34 boot 18:59:39 Oh I didn't go that part, I went straight to boot 18:59:40 dvl: I am form SE .pl 18:59:53 OK, perhaps it was already loaded 19:01:06 mid tension lines are broken, but no worries, we are still running FreeBSD here ;-) 19:01:34 mzar: Good. :) 19:02:31 mzar: It's late November, snow isn't uncommon for you at this time. I'm guessing. I have been to PL once, Warsaw, EuroBSDCon. 19:03:12 dvl: snow becomes less and less common each year ;-P 19:03:30 Oh oh 19:04:58 dvl: Warsaw has changed a lot, you have to reproduce 19:05:05 did it boot fine ? 19:06:02 mzar: My visit was in Oct 2012 - I'm sure it has changed. 19:06:49 mzar: yes, and missed going into the boot loader again, I got mfi. 19:07:12 ha.. you have to repeat 19:09:54 mzar: Perhaps not the full install. I'm trying just a reboot. 19:12:06 mzar: OK for a private message? 19:16:58 OK 19:17:23 it's never a problem for me 19:18:47 TommyC: oops I fat fingered it 19:18:58 Yes it was undefined 19:19:31 Also just found https://github.com/OrcaSlicer/OrcaSlicer/discussions/10307 19:27:51 JetpackJackson: I always dislike having to type stuff from screens... why can't copy/paste work easily. 19:28:29 Because I don't have a IRC or XMPP client installed on the laptop yet 19:28:53 Why not: cat | nc termbin.com 9999 19:29:46 Oh 19:29:56 Forgot that kind of thing existed 19:29:58 Sorry 19:30:06 I'll use that from now on 19:30:25 Currently downloading wine to see if I can run the windows version of orca slicer 19:33:38 mzar: After changing the boot order etc, the new install is booting just fine. 19:33:39 This is my test host, for testing stupid things, like shrinking zpools. see recent posts: https://dan.langille.org 19:33:43 thank you. 19:35:41 your blog looks like a good read, thanks for the link dvl 19:36:33 mzar: Thanks. I put stuff there so I don't have to remember it and so I can show people what I did when I mess up. It helps when getting help. 19:36:33 next step will be probably using zfs send | zfs recv to move complete layout 19:37:18 mzar: Exactly. This recent install was to a pair of 240G drives. Now I'm going to try setting up the 2x SATADOMS and move the zroot to those devices. 19:38:03 mzar: If the SATADOMS were >= than the current SATA devices, I'd be using `zfs replace` and be done with it. ;) 19:43:12 ha.. zfs replace might be easier, but moving everything with zfs send|recv will be better 19:45:40 zpool set bootfs="zroot/ROOT/default" "zroot" is important afer receiving datasets, but IIRC if you have this layout, FreeBSD boot loader will try to mount / from this dataset by default even without this property 19:49:04 mzar: Yes, I will be doing send-recv. Right now, I'm renaming my zroot_n to zroot (https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/renaming-zfs-pool-via-zpool-import.65498/) 19:51:36 that's realy fast and seamless migration 19:52:57 it's better to remove old, stale zfs snapshots from the original drive if they are no logner required, this step can significanly speed up the migration 20:19:55 rwp: Are you around ? 20:21:23 !summon --mode=now,get-him --payment=exwife,2nd-born,65kg-of-neptunium-237 rwp 20:33:36 Hmm it seems to work in wine kinda? Like its slow and the icons are weird and msedgewebview2 keeps dying 20:34:29 Im redownloading it cause I cleared the wine prefix after I installed wine 32 bit 20:50:33 nrubsig, LOL! Too funny. Love it! Do you have a question? Or a pastebin of something to review? 20:51:04 FreeBSD hates me: "ntpd[776]: kernel reports TIME_ERROR: 0x41: Clock Unsynchronized" 20:51:14 printf 'server 10.49.0.8 prefer minpoll 5 maxpoll 8\nlogfile /var/log/ntp.log\nleapfile "/var/db/ntpd.leap-seconds.list"\n' >'/etc/ntp.conf' 20:51:32 # ntpq -p 20:51:34 remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter 20:51:36 ============================================================================== 20:51:38 *DERFW1DC01.glob 10.49.0.5 4 u 11 32 37 0.935 -0.216 0.088 20:52:59 I am pretty sure I told the to use 10.49.0.8 and be very 20:53:07 Learn to love the pastebin on IRC for things like that. Among other things there is a Libera.Chat global bot that will kick you if there is too much pasting all at once. 20:53:32 In the ntpq -p output the jitter looks very stable. Definitely a LAN source. 20:53:34 * nrubsig will do and with that chatbot 20:54:23 * nrubsig is in a bad mood and will curse today 20:54:25 The reach field is a bit field so 37 is octal bits 11 111 where each bit is whether the packet made the trip or not. All 1s is good and all packets made the trip. 20:54:56 OK, but where does the 10.49.0.5 come from ? I configured "server 10.49.0.8" ... 20:55:42 The poll field is how often the client is polling. The client starts out polling more often, in your case 32 seconds which seems lower than the default 64. After it becomes stable in steady state with a stable clock it will lengthen the time to longer intervals up to the max which I believe is 1024 seconds between packets. 20:56:26 OK, but I am mainly concerned that it does not seem to use the server (10.49.0.8) which I want 20:56:32 The when field is the time between now and when the most recent packet was received. So in the above it was only 11 seconds ago. 20:57:56 The server was looked up in DNS and found to be DERFW1DC01.glob. I should have asked for the ntpq -n option too which will avoid DNS and just display the address. That might make more sense. 20:58:32 I think if you use ntpq -np that it will display 10.49.0.8 in that left field location where DERFW1DC01.glob is displayed now. Please try it and report the result? 20:59:37 The interesting information with regards to this from the /etc/ntp.conf file is: grep -e ^pool -e ^server -e ^peer /etc/ntp.conf 21:00:26 * nrubsig feels like a stupid moron now, ENOCOFFEE 21:00:29 I always use hard coded IP addresses for local servers there rather than DNS names in order to remove any dependence upon DNS misconfiguration. And my local servers never change either. 21:00:39 ntpq -np says 10.49.0.8 in the first field 21:01:12 Look up the reverse DNS of that address on your net and I expect it to be that name: host 10.49.0.8 21:01:13 * nrubsig curses himself with , and 21:01:22 (sorry for the words) 21:01:27 rwp: Thanks 21:01:41 rwp: Email address, please 21:02:22 really 21:02:28 Did you actually paste in that WORD-CENSORED-by-AVIRA-CHATPROTECT stuff? Or is that some feature of Libera.Chat bots that I had not encountered before? It's interesting that it would do that! I think a misconfigured bot. 21:02:39

21:02:55 Interesting. 21:03:24 rwp: Well, I think I just use verrrryyy-baaaad-words. They are so bad curse words that it would break your imagination 21:03:45 rwp: See https://nrubsig.kpaste.net/e692915 21:03:47 so the 7 words you cvant say on tv 21:04:13 https://nrubsig.kpaste.net/e692915 might have a temporary problem or it could have moved. 21:04:17 Error code: 500 Internal Server Error 21:04:17 hah 21:04:21 Technically that AVIRA-thing is an old joke from the irc.mozilla.org and OpenSolaris days 21:04:56 rwp: Does https://nrubsig.kpaste.net/e692915?raw work for you ? 21:05:03 cpet, I had to reload the page twice and then it came up. 21:05:29 nrubsig, Yes. I could see both of the pages. I prefer the raw one. 21:06:04 * nrubsig wants to stick a Reviewed-by: rwp⊙rg on it 21:06:08 whats wrong with using one of the default ones ? 21:06:09 So is line 72 the problem? 21:06:13 or even time.windows.com ? 21:07:04 rwp: No, the problem is sitting on front of the keybord right now. I didn't nslookup DERFW1DC01 21:07:10 FreeBSD has a distro pool and I suggest that, with any of 0, 1, 2: pool 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org iburst 21:07:32 i just do ntpdate time.windows.com 21:07:39 and thats pretty much the only time I care about time 21:07:49 rwp: right, but this is a company network, and they block and filter everything. The only reason I have IRC access is because I poined out that I need that for WORK 21:07:53 No worries nrubsig! So you saw that funky name for the winders machine, which often have funky names, and didn't realize it was the one you configured. Gotcha. 21:09:26 nrubsig, Me laughs about the reviewed-by there. :-) 21:10:11 cpet, I think the ntp community has been trying to get people to stop using ntpdate for about twenty years now. It's been superseded by ntpd -g for all of that time. 21:10:42 I think they should just ship ntpdate as a small shell script which calls ntpd with -g now and let the old ntpdate binary disappear. 21:11:41 The "man 8 ntpdate" page is hilarious on this: "After a suitable period of mourning, the ntpdate utility is to be retired from this distribution." 21:12:40 i dont see a point in running a time daemon 21:13:58 if it works leave it alone (TM) 21:16:09 If it works for you without then okay and good for you. Anyone with a local collection of systems will want to run NTP in order to keep systems together in time. For example make across a couple of different networked storage systems will really freak out if the time is not moving together. 21:17:55 i run NFS that shares my home dir with the server 21:18:16 none of them run ntpd and I have yet to have any issues with time as they are synced with a couple minutes difference 21:20:15 rwp: Does https://nrubsig.kpaste.net/ad8796?raw look better (ntpdate removed) ? 21:21:57 * nrubsig prepares his nuclear W40K chainsaw-sword-poking-stick (set to pogo-mode) to poke rwp 21:22:15 I say yes. Because configuring ntpd_sync_on_start="YES" will supply the -g option and it will do the same thing. 21:22:55 LOL! You need some patience. You realize I am multitasking doing other things too. :-) 21:23:23 No one answered "xyzzy? Kids these days. No sense of Adventure. 21:24:19 rwp: normally i ignore those impatient ones 21:25:34 rwp: My 3y&&2y toddlers refuse to sleep and torture my wife right now... that's why I want to go home and exercise extreme and unusual punishment on the kids... guess why I want to go home... fast ? 21:26:04 nrubsig, On line 58 you are writing the entire ntp.conf file but I don't think you have included all of the important parts of the configuration. On a default system run "sed 's/#.*//;/^$/d' /etc/ntp.conf" to see what you are missing. 21:26:13 nrubsig: I would goto the bar and come home after 21:26:18 let the wife deal with the kids 21:26:57 rwp / cpet today's punishment will include the use of https://www.ikea.com/de/en/p/skogsduva-soft-toy-bumblebee-black-yellow-00576907/ 21:27:13 I also don't know what /etc/inet/ntp.conf is used for there as that seems unrelated to anything. 21:27:36 rwp: that is for SystemV OSes like Solaris and Illumos 21:27:37 hah 21:28:07 hrm the default ntpd.conf should be fine for most 21:29:09 The bee is very cute! What I do when possible/practical is I always modify the default file rather than overwrite the default file. Then I get the current system defaults and the only thing I need to change are the ^pool and/or ^server lines. 21:34:30 rwp: this whole thing is for quick tests setups to setup a VM, install the target OS, start NFS server, test the Windows (no joke) ms-nfs41-client NFSv4.2 client aainst that server, and then discard the VM 21:34:46 sanity happens elsewhere 21:35:42 whats the point ? 21:36:43 Sounds like the point is testing that the windows system is functioning properly. Seems reasonable. 21:37:23 so you create a whole VM vs some magiv with powershell? 21:42:14 (kids these days are on their phones/tablets doomscrolling themselves to death) 21:42:37 yeap 21:44:45 i remeber when I got a job at fedex and we were told no phone, first day at work everyone had a phone and they were listening to music and responding to txts 21:47:56 cpet: No, I am working on a Windows (yes, as ex-MPK17 SUN Solaris engineer it sounds... weird) NFSv4.2 kernel filesystem driver 21:48:06 (client) 21:48:17 which means I need to test against NFSv4.1/NFSv4.2 servers 21:48:34 including FreeBSD, which has become my 2nd favourite after the Solaris 11.4 one 21:53:30 hehe doesnt windows opensoalris and freebsd all have/include nfs up to 4.1 support ? 23:35:36 TIL libera filters certain words 23:36:25 Also the setup wizard doesnt show up in orca slicer in wine. I feel stuck 23:38:33 * JetpackJackson questions life choices to pick the most random systems to want to use 23:39:38 have you tried cloning the src and building it on freebsd ? 23:40:33 No 23:41:05 I guess I'll try that in my VM where I have more ram and CPU 23:41:31 or why dont you dual boot a linux distro 23:41:33 heh 23:42:24 I mean I guess but that feels like I'm giving up or "failed" 23:42:32 why? 23:42:50 i installed endeaver linux cause I could not get windows VM to finish the install due to limitations of bhyve 23:43:00 i need windows vm to run some class software 23:43:18 a pr was submitted 23:43:28 but i still need windows for some finger print software 23:43:30 Like cause then people will be like "then just use Linux/windows instead" 23:43:33 is that a failure ? 23:43:34 Idk 23:43:34 no 23:43:48 Alright fair 23:43:55 i di dmy job to submit a PR 23:44:01 and I will try again when 15.0 is released 23:44:14 to be fair it did work in wine 23:44:25 Nice 23:44:41 now for what I personally use the PC for 23:44:44 freebsd works fine 23:44:51 Yeah I guess I'll try building and then ask on the orca slicer github if it doesnt work 23:44:55 now if I want every piece of HW to work in freebsd 23:44:59 that will never happen 23:45:04 Ah 23:45:25 i have been using freebsd for 25 years and I will always choose it over anything else 23:45:29 but sometimes things dont work 23:45:45 and you have to just go well shit its easier to just isntall a windows vm or a linux VM or dual boot 23:45:51 than to fiddle for 4 days 23:46:12 Fair 23:46:32 I need to look into bhyve vs qemu 23:46:46 windows 11 doesnt work that well with bhyve 23:46:52 due to windows need for tpm 23:47:16 other then that bhyve works awesomely for any other linux or older windows 23:48:03 now I have never had a need to 3d print stuff 23:48:08 nor would I pay for one 23:48:21 but some of the shit its capable of doing is awesome indeed 23:49:40 but I am sure with a little help and debugging you can compile orca 23:49:50 and possibly even create a port to benefit others who need or use it 23:50:01 win win 23:50:08 True 23:50:14 OK I feel very now 23:50:16 Thank you 23:50:27 i remeber it took me 3 months to upgrade hplip from 2.x to 3.x 23:50:35 *better now 23:50:54 and I couldnt get USB support working and someone random said hey try this 23:51:00 Fat fingered it cause cat in lap 23:51:23 Oh 23:52:23 +#ifdef __FreeBSD__ 23:52:23 + || ret == -EIO 23:52:24 +#endif 23:52:28 that was the fix 23:52:35 Oh wow 23:56:27 on a side note progmras who are linux specific and make it as hard as possible to not be portable should be avoided at all costs