It is amusing that the previous article on that blig about “we only really care about systemd systems” is titled “A Desktop for All”.

“All… but not you!”

fwget Needed firmware packages: 'wifi-firmware-mediatek-kmod-mt792x', pkg search mt792x wifi-firmware-mt76-kmod-mt792x ? whats wifi-firmware-mediatek-kmod-mt792x?

Hi. does the latest version of freebsd support installing to a raid 1 array?

bradd: You can install to a ZFS mirror, which is even better, if that works for you.

yep, that'll work.. its part of the installer? or do I have to create the mirror manually?

bradd: Nah, the installer will do it for you.

awesome, thanks

Enjoy!

:)

I don't necessarily want to use it, but I'm curious: What is the state of swap on zvol or generally on zfs? Is it safe?

it might blow up

and that is sad, as well as no dump on zvol, the need for separate fixed size partition isn't helpful

yeah because it's too complex

thanks guys

reminds me, which fs was if, if you filled if up by accident, you were stuck because in order to free space you needed more space

s/if/it/

it's better now i heard

but it's like, you need to swap, now you need to allocate more memory which you don't have because why would you need to swap if you have

and so on

ketas: that was zfs :)

you'd think every CoW fs would have that problem unless it simply prevents you from using all space?

that cow ran dry

but where does the allocation go?

it needs to rewrite directory entry with new data which it can't because there's no free space to store second copy of it?

:p

i think i ruined one of my pools this way

it has seen things and is never been same since then

altho it works

i gave fs a ptsd

the solution was make zvol or dataset with reserved space somewhere

just in case

or maybe zfs now just selfreserves a tiny bit now?

long ago there was a fix to allow the write to succeed if it would result net decrease of used space, e.g. a delete

cyric: can that even be done in an atomic way?

while it's stupid to let fs run straight to the "edge", it's absolutely cursed if you can't get back from it

The problem is that "edge" is not well defined, especially in highly parallel environment.

I kind of hate the term "edge", partly because of the trajectory that went like "WHOA! We can do the processing IN THE CLOOOOOOOUUUUDDDD instead of on the local devices! This is a huge advancement!" followed by "WHOA! What if we did the processing ON THE LOCAL DEVICE instead of the cloud? This is a huge advancement!"

hodapp: agreed its kind of funny how that people over use terms

as someone put it cloud is just someone else's computers

it did bring us a lot of advancements around things like elastic services and containerization and servers/compute as a utility

The problem is most of those “advancements” are then applied in very inappropriate ways.

guys, im trying to build an old deprecated freebsd pkg here. i have a PKGBUILD file and this file has a "optdepends=...somestuff..." and the build command use meson/ninja in the PKGBUILD. I am not using this PKGBUILD file to build the pkg, im running "meson BUILD" manually. I am not sure how to pass the $optdepends values to the "meson BUILD" call

Ideas ?

hernan604: i think what you have is an Arch Linux pkgbuild file, not a FreeBSD package. in Arch, "optdepends" is metadata for the package (like BUILD_DEPENDS/RUN_DEPENDS in FreeBSD) so you don't need to pass it to meson

right...

hmmm

makes sense.. but then im not sure how to move forward =p

well, what are you trying to do exactly? if you want to create a FreeBSD port from the PKGBUILD, you'd need to configure OPTIONS and *_DEPENDS in the port Makefile, which is described in the porter's handbook, then you may need to tell the package to use the dependencies somehow (perhaps by passing args to meson, but that's specific to the software you're building)

ivy: ok, im trying to fix a broken freebsd pkg, so it seems now i am able to build the "official" non freebsd software (that has the PKGBUILD file)... so thats some progress.. i will take a look at the deprecated freebsd pkg files and see if i can sort it out

ivy: thanks btw

hernan604: you might find docs.freebsd.org/en/books/porters-handbook useful, i believe it has some examples of using meson

playing jail, ip4 = inherit, ip6 = inherit, service jail start test, ip4/6 network down, pfctl -d, /dev/pf, service jail stop test, no working...

do i have to reboot for some reason?

quickrr: what is "ip4 = inherit, ip6 = inherit" supposed to do ?

nginx jail, using host, 80 port

ha.. it probably won't work this way

quickrr: please post jail.conf

mzar: paste.debian.net/plain/1381459

looks clear, do you see the listnening socket of nginx: "sockstat -nl -j [jid]"

hmmm service jail start test; Starting jails: test.; ipv4/ipv6 not working, need to shutdown -r, to fix network

oh, one works, just another one issue

quickrr, Your jail.conf seems to be missing a jail name before the curly. Also I have almost all of those config lines outside so that they are shared among all jails.

quickrr, When you say "ip4/6 network down" what does that mean exactly? Because the network is inherited and so it will be whatever the network is in the host.

Perhaps post the output of ifconfig too.

hodapp: well, if you are engineer, things still don't "elastically" "compute" in your "containers"

I mean I am an engineer

do you have a "knack"?

yeah it's weird world

funnily it has even confused me

If I say I am an engineer the State I live in (US) might fine me $500 for the claim since I am not licensed as an engineer in this state. Other states have done this to people. I do have a BSEE degree in engineering though. And I like to think that I have the knack too.

It's a rare condition characterized by an extreme intuition about all things mechanical and electrical and utter social ineptitude.

:p