05:01:37 It is amusing that the previous article on that blig about “we only really care about systemd systems” is titled “A Desktop for All”. 05:01:48 “All… but not you!” 05:08:22 fwget Needed firmware packages: 'wifi-firmware-mediatek-kmod-mt792x', pkg search mt792x wifi-firmware-mt76-kmod-mt792x ? whats wifi-firmware-mediatek-kmod-mt792x? 05:47:08 Hi. does the latest version of freebsd support installing to a raid 1 array? 05:47:44 bradd: You can install to a ZFS mirror, which is even better, if that works for you. 05:48:14 yep, that'll work.. its part of the installer? or do I have to create the mirror manually? 05:48:30 bradd: Nah, the installer will do it for you. 05:48:38 awesome, thanks 05:48:42 Enjoy! 05:48:48 :) 10:50:57 I don't necessarily want to use it, but I'm curious: What is the state of swap on zvol or generally on zfs? Is it safe? 10:54:18 it might blow up 10:56:36 and that is sad, as well as no dump on zvol, the need for separate fixed size partition isn't helpful 10:57:57 yeah because it's too complex 10:59:18 thanks guys 10:59:46 reminds me, which fs was if, if you filled if up by accident, you were stuck because in order to free space you needed more space 11:00:13 s/if/it/ 11:00:28 it's better now i heard 11:04:00 but it's like, you need to swap, now you need to allocate more memory which you don't have because why would you need to swap if you have 11:04:04 and so on 11:04:31 ketas: that was zfs :) 11:05:16 you'd think every CoW fs would have that problem unless it simply prevents you from using all space? 11:13:44 that cow ran dry 11:14:05 but where does the allocation go? 11:15:32 it needs to rewrite directory entry with new data which it can't because there's no free space to store second copy of it? 11:15:35 :p 11:16:49 i think i ruined one of my pools this way 11:17:06 it has seen things and is never been same since then 11:17:14 altho it works 11:17:38 i gave fs a ptsd 11:18:20 the solution was make zvol or dataset with reserved space somewhere 11:18:30 just in case 11:19:28 or maybe zfs now just selfreserves a tiny bit now? 11:29:04 long ago there was a fix to allow the write to succeed if it would result net decrease of used space, e.g. a delete 11:56:23 cyric: can that even be done in an atomic way? 12:36:25 while it's stupid to let fs run straight to the "edge", it's absolutely cursed if you can't get back from it 12:43:06 The problem is that "edge" is not well defined, especially in highly parallel environment. 12:46:11 I kind of hate the term "edge", partly because of the trajectory that went like "WHOA! We can do the processing IN THE CLOOOOOOOUUUUDDDD instead of on the local devices! This is a huge advancement!" followed by "WHOA! What if we did the processing ON THE LOCAL DEVICE instead of the cloud? This is a huge advancement!" 13:00:43 hodapp: agreed its kind of funny how that people over use terms 13:00:55 as someone put it cloud is just someone else's computers 13:04:48 it did bring us a lot of advancements around things like elastic services and containerization and servers/compute as a utility 13:24:46 The problem is most of those “advancements” are then applied in very inappropriate ways. 13:25:29 guys, im trying to build an old deprecated freebsd pkg here. i have a PKGBUILD file and this file has a "optdepends=...somestuff..." and the build command use meson/ninja in the PKGBUILD. I am not using this PKGBUILD file to build the pkg, im running "meson BUILD" manually. I am not sure how to pass the $optdepends values to the "meson BUILD" call 13:25:34 Ideas ? 13:26:42 hernan604: i think what you have is an Arch Linux pkgbuild file, not a FreeBSD package. in Arch, "optdepends" is metadata for the package (like BUILD_DEPENDS/RUN_DEPENDS in FreeBSD) so you don't need to pass it to meson 13:27:22 right... 13:27:28 hmmm 13:28:10 makes sense.. but then im not sure how to move forward =p 13:29:33 well, what are you trying to do exactly? if you want to create a FreeBSD port from the PKGBUILD, you'd need to configure OPTIONS and *_DEPENDS in the port Makefile, which is described in the porter's handbook, then you may need to tell the package to use the dependencies somehow (perhaps by passing args to meson, but that's specific to the software you're building) 13:32:33 ivy: ok, im trying to fix a broken freebsd pkg, so it seems now i am able to build the "official" non freebsd software (that has the PKGBUILD file)... so thats some progress.. i will take a look at the deprecated freebsd pkg files and see if i can sort it out 13:34:02 ivy: thanks btw 13:43:03 hernan604: you might find https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/porters-handbook/ useful, i believe it has some examples of using meson 17:18:11 playing jail, ip4 = inherit, ip6 = inherit, service jail start test, ip4/6 network down, pfctl -d, /dev/pf, service jail stop test, no working... 17:18:43 do i have to reboot for some reason? 17:38:45 quickrr: what is "ip4 = inherit, ip6 = inherit" supposed to do ? 17:42:53 nginx jail, using host, 80 port 18:15:06 ha.. it probably won't work this way 18:16:52 quickrr: please post jail.conf 18:19:58 mzar: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1381459 18:27:13 looks clear, do you see the listnening socket of nginx: "sockstat -nl -j [jid]" 18:30:52 hmmm service jail start test; Starting jails: test.; ipv4/ipv6 not working, need to shutdown -r, to fix network 18:36:11 oh, one works, just another one issue 22:09:28 quickrr, Your jail.conf seems to be missing a jail name before the curly. Also I have almost all of those config lines outside so that they are shared among all jails. 22:10:23 quickrr, When you say "ip4/6 network down" what does that mean exactly? Because the network is inherited and so it will be whatever the network is in the host. 22:10:54 Perhaps post the output of ifconfig too. 23:13:35 hodapp: well, if you are engineer, things still don't "elastically" "compute" in your "containers" 23:14:11 I mean I am an engineer 23:36:38 do you have a "knack"? 23:36:49 yeah it's weird world 23:36:58 funnily it has even confused me 23:46:19 If I say I am an engineer the State I live in (US) might fine me $500 for the claim since I am not licensed as an engineer in this state. Other states have done this to people. I do have a BSEE degree in engineering though. And I like to think that I have the knack too. 23:49:05 It's a rare condition characterized by an extreme intuition about all things mechanical and electrical and utter social ineptitude. 23:49:08 :p