Pssst. All words are made up.

No!? You don't say.

Hello everyone!

It looks like someone got the kernel at least running on AllWinner D1. Is there any hope for HDMI?

What architecture is that? Some RISC?

RISC-V

It is probably the first cheap RV SBC...

As in less than 40$.

It's based on T-Head's OpenC906.

Only the core, though.

having a difficult time geting X/Mate to work

I am not running Mate but am running X. What is the behavior?

rwp: most of my prob im sure is that i cant see the screen, as per vision loss. but couldnt connect to Xserver, cant run from a console session. im not sure if mate installed properly. i dont see it listed in sessions

How are you starting X? Using an xdm X Display Manager like xdm, gdm, slim, lightdm? Or logging in and using xinit, startx?

Are you able to read my text here okay? Or is this going through a screen reader?

rwp: so sory was helping my son with steam, yes using a csreenreader mate, gnome-orca or just orca now

rwp: i want to use lightdm as it usually is quite good but anything that orca will launch is acceptable

or also ahppy to just use startx, my xinitrc is basic though

Fudge, Okay. You would like to install lightdm. Have you? Or have you been trying startx?

I customize my .xinitrc file so I use xinit. startx is the same but uses the system default .xinitrc file.

If you tried to start X with startx then the file /var/log/Xorg.0.log will log the results including errors. Errors are marked with "EE" on the line.

Also for my graphics adaptor I must modify the file /etc/rc.conf by adding kld_list="radeonkms"

It is possible that you will need to modify your file /etc/rc.conf for your specific graphics hardware too. I don't know.

rwp: it's a little lenovo, think it is intel

ill read the log

i dont hhave any generated conf there memory serves you can configure one and then copy that to the usr/local/ confdir. is it Xorg -configure?

log is complaining missing sections as the only conf i have in the xorg.conf.d directory is a driver-intel.conf

rwp: i have a xorg.conf i generated, moved it into place

ok installed slim, ive added mounting of proc to fstab but am stuck on enabling hald, im not sure what the package is called

wasnt hald removed in favor or something else ?

devd

What has led you to think you need to do something with hald?

I have no idea anything about hald. Never heard of it. I didn't do anything about it. Haven't enabled it.

back in the day you needed to enable hald to get devices to work for such WM as xfce

Title: HAL (software) - Wikipedia

As far as I can tell hald is the old way of doing things but is now deprecated with devd being the current default.

yes I said that

just updated bsd, to p4 and restarted, but uname a shows this : FreeBSD 13.1-RELEASE-p3

further update tells that all update to p4 is installed

freebsd-version

is p4

thank you come again

but uname is p3 ...

should I worry about that ?

not all patches require a kernel recompile

on a different machine it become p4 ...

what did you do on that machine that you didint dso on this one

nothing :)

freebsd-update fetch install

then pkg update && pkg upgrade -fy

no reboot ?

both rebooted

if freebsd-version says p4 I wouldn't worry about it

ok, thanks

see if my VM says p4

I need to update hah

:D

if u host php things, the default php is now 81

sense yesterday

yeah I dont see a kernel so it will stay at p3

cpet, thanks !

i guess the difference where one machine where updated from p2 -> p4 and the one with p4 is from p3->p4

the only thing that changes uname is a new kernel

thank you ! now I'm relaxed

hi ya

hi

megaTherion: how is your day thus far

first coffee, got up .. its around 10:18 here :(

but well not too bad, its sunday at least

819pm here

bet youre glad for the sleep in

yup

my moring coffe is a mocha

megaTherion: ive been trying to get X running unsuccessfully. my /usr/local/etc/X11/xort.cond.d directory has driver-intel.conf and xorg.conf in it from X -configure

cool :)

oh X

on what machine?

ill get the model, it's a lenovo

Lenovo ideacentre 510S-07ICB

whats Xorg.0.log showing?

best way to run is just sstartx right, my .xinitrc is pointing at mate-session which is installed

you always get a log

regardless how you run it

just checking what it is, its an all-in-one device ok

yes

Intel UHD 630

just installing wgetpaste

you have xf86-video-intel installed?

devices detected but none match what is in the config file

likely not, i remembered something today about installing video xorg drivers

yes its missing the driver then

no it wasnt

pretty sure i always just used to use etiher dummy or vesa

uhh?

vesa is close to useless on modern hw

xorg.wrap only console users are allowed to run the server

well dummy as it is usually headless and vesa as being blind dont really need to use anything important

so you want to run Xorg for remote purposes?

nah i do want to run it on the machine in front of me but the screen output is only ever important if i nee dsomeone to look at the screen for me

...

if you want to start X properly then you need the intel driver *shrugs*

yes it said it failed to load

loading intel, coudnt load module intel

i think it is looking in /usr/local/share though

megaTherion: night

hello, can I compile php80 ?

poudriere automatically compiles php81

nerozero: this is what I have in my pkglist file www/nextcloud@php80

So use whatever php version as flavor

nerozero, are you asking about PHP 8.0 itself, or compiling other ports for use with that version?

no, i need PHP itself

poudriere list: lang/php80

compiles php81

and can I have both 81 and 80 in poudriere ?

yes

ok, ignore me, i'm an idiot .... I was trying to install package with a version included which where upgraded ...

sorry guys, thank you for help

here's a silly question. can I build an time based backdoor in freebsd? say the customer wants to debug some things, but we don't actually give them root, instead we use an OTP thingie

has anyone tried that?

no

think that was removed for being old

Okay, I see opie in the system right now, I'll try that

it will be removed in 14

:(

cpet any idea if there's an alternative?

give them root ?

or sudo access to a specific executable

sudo? you can restrict what they can do a little bit with sudo, but afaik it isn't made well

what are you saying, you can restrict a lot with sudo

yeah, but you patternmatch on command strings for example, instead of on argument arrays

antranigv: you can set an expiration date in the account, along with a cronjob to kill any processes they have open at the time

or stick every user in a jail and just nuke the jail :D

wheres the fun it that ?

daemon: sure, but he said the user needed to debug some things, presumably things that are on the system itself, not a random jail

you can debug software as a user

sudo can restrict on argument lists too.

But if someone needs to debug something and needs root to debug something then trying to restrict them is just going to frustrate everyone involved.

i would just cancel

heh

I see several choices. 1) BOFH not do anything 2) give root away so they can debug it 3) recreate the problem in a jail and let them debug in the jail 4) debug the problem yourself

give them root

do they pay for it

The safest option all around would be to reproduce the problem in a jail.

what is this a shared server ?

even VPS

Meanwhile... I don't think anyone has mentioned the nature of the problem. It really could be anything. So who knows what is actually happening.

's give you rtoot

root

if he messes things up its on him

this is where you get money to fix it for him then charge

doing it this way you miss out on possible monies

could go a bit fruiter and recreate it in bhyve

We don't know the details. What if the customer that needed to debug the problem was your mom? The devil is in the details.

zfs snapshots etc reproduce the enviroment

also the BOFH option would involve carpet's and lime ;)

Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies. That type of thing? :-)

rwp, lets not go there ok?

Here is a debug ethernet adapter, you plug the other end into the mains outlet to do live debugging; indeed :P

The reason jails would be more apropos than bhyve is that the problem, whatever it is, is existent in the current system. So it does not need a different OS running. And then jails are just easier.

you know im not sure if they are

ask user what it is

depending on what service he bought its either yes or no

I would say bhyve and jails are pretty much the same level of complexity, the only difference is what you are used to

ded server vs VPS vs shell

dont think you have mentioned that

16:10, <antranigv> here's a silly question. can I build an time based backdoor in freebsd? say the customer wants to debug some things, but we don't actually give them root, instead we use an OTP thingie

16:10, <antranigv> has anyone tried that?

that doesnt mention anythign i said

is it a shell VPS server

well yeah I was dragging it down as it was ^ up there

for context

is it software HW some weird shit done in ASM ?

does it actually require root

antranigv, ?

no matter what it is, there is no realistically reason the system could not be cloned and run somewhere

which surely would be the safest path

staging system style

well if the user bought a "server" i expect root on it

but again he hasnt mentioned his setup

or software I can possibly build it faster than the time he has been here heh

:)

that's not fair all of us have icantbearsed.sh <do this>

:P

daemon, life isnt fair

tell me about it I learned perl so I could deal with freebsd 4.x and ended up a developer for it -_-

gop tinker with openbsd ports

still uses perl

perl is the glue that binds the universe together; it comes up everywhere

even now

sadly yes

~ modern perl actually is not so bad, but there is a lot .... A LOT of the older stuff out there

One of the best things about Perl is that they take backward compatibility very seriously. Very rare to break an old working script.

Which makes it one of the most reliable and solid languages in the system.

unless you use perl6/raku, and even then a lot of things still work it seems.

perl6/raku is no longer officially the next version of perl. Now Raku is just a separate language that is available.

ye perl 7 / perl 5.34

which is just perl 5 with warnings stricts and signatures

to be honset after what must be 15 years of perl, I find my self secretly going to see the secret mistress of rust on my off hours lol

Rust and Go-lang are the two new rising stars. But have you tried to bootstrap Rust from scratch! OMG! It's quite the challenge.

i have more hatred towardfs OS than languages

I mean ... I do not really have hate more or less either way

I came to the conclusion a while ago that freebsd does well on servers, linux as a guest to bhyve on said servers (for docker etc) and windows on desktop

and it all just smushes together quite nicely so you can have everything

meanwhile I would be curious about a rust based API for web services, some js or php client thing for people to look at or maybe perl/mojo with postgres/redis doing the data storage

eh ~ everything has its place

I was right there with you, right up until "windows on desktop" and at that point you lost me. Nope. Nope. Nope. :-)

I play a few games here and there windows is easier for me to deal with :)

I think a lot of BSD'ers use mac for there desktop driver though

:(

I am running Devuan on the desktop, have a Windows VM for the games I enjoy. (Those games are not high demanding graphics games though.)

dislike systemd? :D

But on this desktop upon which I am typing it is a native bare metal FreeBSD system. And I am slowly working through the problems of FreeBSD on mobile laptops.

I had the fun of trialling both linux and freebsd in 'desktop mode' on my home system, (the one im typing on now) both of which crashed brutally, the only linux I could get to even vaguelly work was gentoo; which looked bizzare

Me? Dislike systemd? Let me put it this way. preview.redd.it/v58nvac1rl1a1.png?w…3f837530384ce3b82b3d308a5402ed42af9

I can't fault you for that I use gentoo/openrc for my bhyve clients lol

Also the Devuan community is very friendly and helpful. It pains me that I can no longer describe the Debian community similarly.

absolutely no opposition there it was my alt-linux for quite a while

when I needed one to just install and work

it still is technically

For people who want a desktop with a rolling release then I find Void to be quite reasonable and enjoyable for a bleeding edge desktop OS.

~ is that the same flavour or profile as Manjaro

For people who want compact and efficient then Alpine is most often used for containers for that reason.

I believe that was percisely why alpine was created for docker stuff

I do thank systemd though for causing me to re-evaluate things and rediscover FreeBSD. I have been ramping up my FreeBSD and have been enjoying it greatly.

it does not even use glibc it has ... something else I can't remember the name of

MUSL is the small compact libc on Alpine that is not glibc.

gotcha

daemon, libc

there is another one as well, uslibc or something I need to try LFS again

At one time there was a branch of Alpine that included glibc so it isn't impossible there but that is no longer active. Moribund.

uclibc

daemon, What type of system crash problems were you having? That is usually a hardware problem but I recently had to give up on nVidia due to the nouveau driver becoming unstable in Unstable.

rwp, both the proprietary and nouvue(sp?) driver for X crashed with the card I have

Client: HexChat 2.16.1 • OS: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro (x64) • CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 8-Core Processor (4.20GHz) • Memory: 63.9 GiB Total (47.6 GiB Free) • Storage: 1.2 TiB / 1.8 TiB (626.6 GiB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 • Uptime: 1w 0d 1h 24m 9s

3060

I am fortunate in that as a craphound I have a variety of different bits of kit available such that mixing and matching until supportable hardware is available is possible for me.

You had problems with nVidia. I had problems with nVidia. Others have been reporting problems. Hmm... Seems to be a trend line in there somewhere... :-)

though linux also had problems I think its because my resolution combined across screens is so nutty

I switched graphics adaptors to an AMD GPU for my dual monitors and have not had any problems.

daemon, what is taking up so much eh?

heh

^

Nice. You see me I would have made that a 2x2 grid. :-)

it won't work

I had that idea too

but the ultra widescreen in the middle and the two side screens do not equate equally

also there different Hz

the two side screens are 60's the middle is 144Hz

also there different dpi's

Gotcha. Oh well.

i just use the pc ;/

im not sure if its my gpu or screen layout that causes an issue

but yeah linux nor bsd appreciate it

nor does the proprietary nvidia driver though that when you try to use it in either OS hard locks the system

i may use one of these monitors for the BSD machine VNCing isnt cutting it

never get a UXWA screen seriously they are not worth the pain

even in windows, every game needs mods

nothing supports it really

these are two LEGION Lenovos

one connected using display port other HDMI

kinda crappy could net get display port to both, limited by ports on the card?

s/net/not/

cpet my PC personal computers are either Devuan or FreeBSD. PC is the hardware not the software!

Windows VNC into FreeBSD or OpenBSD

Anyway... I must drop afk for a while. Goodnight everyone, I'll remember you all in therapy.

therapy doesnt work

I sometimes like to play about with the idea of getting a monster rig, something like a EPYC with 3 GPU's (me+daughter+mrs) and having a single system in the house and monitor+usb hub throwouts

rwp, good luck in therapy :)

dont see a point my RX5500 can run almost any game at full

if you run freebsd or linux you dont need a beefy gfx card either

hm yeah, time to play fo4

people still play that?

daemon made me do it (with their screenshot)

daemon, is that windows 10?

yuripv, try You Only Live Once mod :P

cpet, windows 11

daemon, ssh in a cli program

get putty off :(

Anyone having issue with freebsd dns? Having numerous strange dns issues on multiple machines using completely different nameservers

I have full WSL so could, but im used to putty :) infact both putty and ssh have equal links to my secure keys and both are interoperable

dont use keys

Erhard,

➜ ~ host freebsd.org

freebsd.org has address 96.47.72.84

freebsd.org has IPv6 address 2610:1c1:1:606c::50:15

Host freebsd.org not found: 2(SERVFAIL)

... I would assume something in the nameserver rotation is down

k

do it again

same result

for what git?

freebsd.org name server ns5.he.net.

^

that one

is not responding

works fine here

Erhard, try this command: ➜ ~ host freebsd.org ns5.he.net

;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached

That one works here

pkg: pkgmir.geo.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:13:amd64/quarterly/packagesite.pkg: No address record

must just be me why does ns5 dislike me :(

Erhard, ➜ ~ host -t NS freebsd.org

And other errors on various machines around the globe actually

from the list is returns, try: host freebsd.org <nameserver>

2,3,4,5

works fine here

is that really your prompt cause thats ugly

They all resolve freebsd.org

oh wait it might be more specific

pkgmir.geo.freebsd.org

➜ ~ host -t NS pkgmir.geo.freebsd.org

But pkgmir.geo.freebsd.org fails

is just hanging for me

no returns

yes

Same here

Host pkgmir.geo.freebsd.org not found: 2(SERVFAIL)

so whatever nameserver that is, is unhappy

Was having trouble last night too

Title: hris@hp:~ % host freebsd.org ns5.he.netUsing domain server:Name: ns5.he.net - Pastebin.com

hmm who deals with nameservers that is under ferebsd.org

hes on efnet

urg who

which service has an issue cause you can just open a PR

no need I am on efnet and in #freebsd I just do not connect to the bouncer unless I absolutely have to

we need to close efnet and just move everyone here >..

hell no

daemon: does `host -v freebsd.org ns5.he.net` state something fishy?

#freebsdhelp

rying "freebsd.org"

;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 46965

ka

Kalten,

➜ ~ host -v freebsd.org ns5.he.net

Trying "freebsd.org"

;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached

It works here with that ns5, but the pkg url fails.

Erhard, ns5 and pkg seem to be locationally based

that is where you query them from matters

ns5 works from my us servers but nothing in the uk

Makes sense

daemon: but the NS does resolve other host, e.g. www.google.com?

Kalten, works for ns1,2,3,4

just ns5 being weird

do you really need 5?

heh

even HE says its optional

I don't the issue is Erhard's problem to access pkg

which I cannot resolve either

pkgmir.geo.freebsd.org has no NS record

dpaste.org/48LQh sorry

oh god I was meant to resolev the A record

...

it uses that other thing

every record should have a NS record anyway

➜ ~ host -t A pkgmir.geo.freebsd.org 8.8.8.8

;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached

#

but even the A records are failing via google and cloudflare

unless you meant a GLUE record

daemon: as a workaround: does setting nameserver to a working on in /etc/resolv.conf (or is he on Win*? There was such a file in the past too, I think. Maybe one can still create it? Or set another DNS in the GUI)

daemon, traceroute ns2.he.net and gns1.freebsd.org

pkg.freebsd.org mirrors are listed at the bottom

Kalten, in system32 on windows there is a host file

but no this is from my BSD gateway

but its time to walk the doggo

I would point out though 1.1.1.1 is cloudflares ns server and 8.8.8.8 is googles

daemon: ah yes! And iff I remember correctly, you can copy a resolv.conf there and it is obbeyed

so the fact that neither can resolve pkgmir.geo.freebsd.org hints at the issue Erhard has :P

Kalten, yep its the same bind style

how to use two (or more) search terms with 'pkg search' command?

grep

how to search from package description field instead of just package name?

-S

er -D

Hi guys, DNS git.freebsd.org is down?

[00:00:00] Updating portstree "HEAD" with git+https...fatal: unable to access 'git.FreeBSD.org/ports.git/': Could not resolve host: git.FreeBSD.org

yes

devnull, where you located at?

cpet north virginia. But isitdownrightnow.com/git.freebsd.org.html says is down for every locations.

Title: Git.freebsd.org - Is Git Down Right Now?

devnull, just did a git pull on ports

cpet in poudriere, need I to change the address?

devnull, go for a walk and try again

cpet thats ok, thanks. I didn't know if the link was down temporary or permanently.

devnull, it only takes one subsea cable to break to have noticeable effects all over