Does FreeBSD have anything similar to Linux's /proc/pressure/memory or MacOS's NOTE_VM_PRESSURE, where a program can be notified when the system/cgroup is low on memory

Heavy CVE morning

Expect it to be a heavy CVE season.

The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.

Already updated. What bugs me more is that Salt doesn't seem to work with python 3.12

So why is python always breaking backward compatibility?

because we Dutch like to complicate things? Not sure if Guido still s involved, though

joemie: I can't imagine you are tellng the truth about your people when you say that.

Which CVEs are you talking about? Nothing here since day before yesterday freebsd.org/security/advisories

lts: there are 13 from yesterday?

30th sorry

I only saw them this morning

No new CVEs then, good. That's always better

I assume the flood is LLM accelerated

LXGHTNXNG: just kidding, I'm uncomplicated, as many other Dutch people

joemie: I think you are also doing yourself a disservice. Nobody likes to overcomplicate things, but people are complicated.

is this really a channel where non-native English speakers are corrected in a private chat by 'super-humans'?

wut

my thought as well

I got a free language lesson from Gedge (now on my ignore list)

lol

I can barely speak English and its my first language, wouldn't sweat it. Not helped by my incompetent typing and dyslexic brain that has literally no idea how words are supposed to be spellled.

Mea culpa. I offered an improvement, nothing more (no mention of super-human). I misread the audience, clearly, and regret trying to be of help.

Gedge there are two types of people in this chat, and none of them like these kind of messages. and there's me, feel free to do that with me :P

antranigv: thanks :)

why don't the instructions here mention to reboot after "Apply all Pending Patches"

also why "shutdown -r +10min" instead of "shutdown -r now"?

also never seen this "Upgrade the Boot Loader" section before, it's new?

why not 2 min? why not 7? why not 143 seconds?

no, the question is why > 0, not why 10

the point i'm making is that these are entirely arbitrary and you can rely on your own judgement.

but i have no idea why a delay is needed therefore I can't judge how much is necessary :)

makr: It gives users on a mainframe time to save their work

:D

anyone running freebsd on mainframes?

All that halt messaging stuff comes from those days AFAIK. Way back in the day of shell servers we used to use whatever that intra messaging system is called

makr: s/mainframe/multi-user systems

gotcha. i thought the delay might be needed so the services shutdown more gracefully or something

Setting your .plan, using finger. Its all unix baggae (or joy) which doesnt make sense to 99% of people anymore

finger is cool, webfinger is a reboot. but i've always liked the idea. that web is gone though...

or maybe it will come back once all the major platforms are full slopified

I run a gohper server for a while (few months ago)

Went down a small web rabit hole. gohper/nex/gemini

ran*

^ Good it was not a large rabid hole: FakeBook/Twitter/Reddit .

hah

hah, no never used any of those

sbr, This is why move for making the FreeBSD mailing lists more consipicious in MoTD: <bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=295526> .

I have to admit that I never, ever, read the MOTD. I used to always have fortune run and read that but not for a while

... yeah, i feel like that change is meaningless

+1 on the change to the community link

i never use the forums, but i use this

the sentiment is sound, community is good, just don't know if anyone else reads that. I feel like if you are reading the MoTD, you already know this exists

makr: The instructions for updating the bootloader might be new, but the need to do so isn't.

My maniac attempt at community (without joining reddit/discord whatever) was trying to start a in person social network kilta.io

FreeBSD is obviously a pre seeded interest

mason: oh...i've never done it

it seems quite a few changes have been made to the instructions since 14.4 - freebsd.org/releases/14.4R/installation

makr: It only matters when something changes with, for example, ZFS such that the bootloader needs to be taught new structures.

ohh i see

sbr: neat idea!

It is, but it needs more than 15 people to be useful on a global scale :-)

yes, that's the difficulty with social networks, the network part :)

Boot strapping a social network without burning millions turns out to be tricky

haha

Especially one that intentionally had no revenue model

has*

There's always the Fediverse. Lots of BSD folks on the Fediverse.

i forget i have a fediverse account, and bluesky

Yeah, I should try. The whole twitter / twitter'esque experience never clicked.

but yeah i've seen nice posts on there that were linked elsewhere

my other alt semi social network is tuhat.net which is very untwitter, need to write 1000 words to post.

I looked at adding activityPub but its too social media for me, tuhat has no lies, no public comments

no likes* no lies, probably lots of those

are you guys discussing how to promote FreeBSD using those networks ?

don't think so

mzar: Always

very nice !

sbr: thought for a second you meant motd on installed systems LOL.

I use motd there like a notes of what was last done with the system like upgrades etc

i only ever read channel motd when joining for the first time, most other channels seem to not update their motd at all

i use puppet to update them: drop.17es.dev/-LnikbPFVnD

rtprio: nice box, what is it?

an old r710

if it was ddr5 instead of ddr3 i could sell the ram and put my kid through college

Cool, Ive a pair of R640's

Yeah, I was scouring the local after market here and have 382GB in both machines

makr, On today's modern rented VPS virtual machines we have multiple people logged into various servers at the same time. In those cases I always give them +5m or at least to know the system is rebooting. I try not to pull the rug out from under them without warning.

It's a shared system thing. Which most people working on their desktop sandbox might never experience. But it is a use case. Not just an obsolete mainframe thing.

I found a couple bundles of 32gb DDR4 ECC chips for ~$70 each

that's amazing

Hello, all. What can I do to prevent an HDD from stoppiong for power saving? I have tried a) camcontrol apm da0 -l 245 and b) camcontrol apm da0 -- to no avail.

-1s/245/254

^ c) camcontrol standby da0 -t 0 d) camcontrol idle da0 -t 0 -- no effect.

is there a smartctl command to do it

My HDD is: WDC WD10 05FBYZ-01YCBB3

rtprio, I don't know, will look into it.

rtprio, no, I don't think there is such a smartctl(8) option.

does it spin down or what

and take forever to come back, with a few command timeouts?

It spings down with a funny sound, after several minutes of inactivity. It spins back up at first access.

No errors.

what does camcontrol powermode for the device tell you?

camcontrol: Can't get ATA command status

^ the HDD is connected via a USB adapters, if that matters.

oh, it might yeah

i wonder if the enclosure is doing it for you

It has been the same with a couple of different enclosures, reportedly good ones. And my PC has no direct SATA port. I'll have to find a way to repeat the tests with the bare HDD.

ant-x, I would have said that "camcontrol apm da0 -l 254" would be the equivalent and should work.