04:40:10 Does FreeBSD have anything similar to Linux's /proc/pressure/memory or MacOS's NOTE_VM_PRESSURE, where a program can be notified when the system/cgroup is low on memory 05:04:58 Heavy CVE morning 05:19:53 Expect it to be a heavy CVE season. 05:19:54 The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. 05:20:57 Already updated. What bugs me more is that Salt doesn't seem to work with python 3.12 05:24:46 So why is python always breaking backward compatibility? 05:28:25 because we Dutch like to complicate things? Not sure if Guido still s involved, though 06:54:24 joemie: I can't imagine you are tellng the truth about your people when you say that. 07:26:34 Which CVEs are you talking about? Nothing here since day before yesterday https://www.freebsd.org/security/advisories/ 07:33:57 lts: there are 13 from yesterday? 07:34:04 30th sorry 07:34:53 I only saw them this morning 07:35:39 No new CVEs then, good. That's always better 07:36:40 I assume the flood is LLM accelerated 08:55:00 LXGHTNXNG: just kidding, I'm uncomplicated, as many other Dutch people 09:11:23 joemie: I think you are also doing yourself a disservice. Nobody likes to overcomplicate things, but people are complicated. 11:10:31 is this really a channel where non-native English speakers are corrected in a private chat by 'super-humans'? 11:14:00 wut 11:15:59 my thought as well 11:16:54 I got a free language lesson from Gedge (now on my ignore list) 11:20:16 lol 11:26:01 * Gedge shrugs. 12:48:05 I can barely speak English and its my first language, wouldn't sweat it. Not helped by my incompetent typing and dyslexic brain that has literally no idea how words are supposed to be spellled. 12:51:01 Mea culpa. I offered an improvement, nothing more (no mention of super-human). I misread the audience, clearly, and regret trying to be of help. 13:33:42 Gedge there are two types of people in this chat, and none of them like these kind of messages. and there's me, feel free to do that with me :P 13:42:51 antranigv: thanks :) 15:57:42 why don't the instructions here mention to reboot after "Apply all Pending Patches" 15:57:46 https://www.freebsd.org/releases/15.1R/upgrading/ 15:57:57 also why "shutdown -r +10min" instead of "shutdown -r now"? 15:58:48 also never seen this "Upgrade the Boot Loader" section before, it's new? 15:58:53 why not 2 min? why not 7? why not 143 seconds? 15:59:17 no, the question is why > 0, not why 10 16:00:02 the point i'm making is that these are entirely arbitrary and you can rely on your own judgement. 16:00:35 but i have no idea why a delay is needed therefore I can't judge how much is necessary :) 16:00:48 makr: It gives users on a mainframe time to save their work 16:01:16 :D 16:01:45 anyone running freebsd on mainframes? 16:02:11 All that halt messaging stuff comes from those days AFAIK. Way back in the day of shell servers we used to use whatever that intra messaging system is called 16:02:22 makr: s/mainframe/multi-user systems 16:03:38 gotcha. i thought the delay might be needed so the services shutdown more gracefully or something 16:03:41 Setting your .plan, using finger. Its all unix baggae (or joy) which doesnt make sense to 99% of people anymore 16:04:41 finger is cool, webfinger is a reboot. but i've always liked the idea. that web is gone though... 16:04:56 or maybe it will come back once all the major platforms are full slopified 16:05:04 I run a gohper server for a while (few months ago) 16:05:33 Went down a small web rabit hole. gohper/nex/gemini 16:05:51 ran* 16:10:09 ^ Good it was not a large rabid hole: FakeBook/Twitter/Reddit . 16:10:52 hah 16:11:17 hah, no never used any of those 16:11:19 sbr, This is why move for making the FreeBSD mailing lists more consipicious in MoTD: . 16:13:24 I have to admit that I never, ever, read the MOTD. I used to always have fortune run and read that but not for a while 16:17:50 ... yeah, i feel like that change is meaningless 16:19:15 +1 on the change to the community link 16:19:30 i never use the forums, but i use this 16:22:44 the sentiment is sound, community is good, just don't know if anyone else reads that. I feel like if you are reading the MoTD, you already know this exists 16:23:24 makr: The instructions for updating the bootloader might be new, but the need to do so isn't. 16:23:39 My maniac attempt at community (without joining reddit/discord whatever) was trying to start a in person social network https://kilta.io/ 16:25:04 FreeBSD is obviously a pre seeded interest 16:25:20 mason: oh...i've never done it 16:26:23 it seems quite a few changes have been made to the instructions since 14.4 - https://www.freebsd.org/releases/14.4R/installation/ 16:26:26 makr: It only matters when something changes with, for example, ZFS such that the bootloader needs to be taught new structures. 16:27:11 ohh i see 16:31:07 sbr: neat idea! 16:31:30 It is, but it needs more than 15 people to be useful on a global scale :-) 16:31:51 yes, that's the difficulty with social networks, the network part :) 16:32:00 Boot strapping a social network without burning millions turns out to be tricky 16:32:09 haha 16:32:38 Especially one that intentionally had no revenue model 16:32:45 has* 16:32:46 There's always the Fediverse. Lots of BSD folks on the Fediverse. 16:33:17 i forget i have a fediverse account, and bluesky 16:33:32 Yeah, I should try. The whole twitter / twitter'esque experience never clicked. 16:33:39 but yeah i've seen nice posts on there that were linked elsewhere 16:34:20 my other alt semi social network is http://tuhat.net which is very untwitter, need to write 1000 words to post. 16:36:43 I looked at adding activityPub but its too social media for me, tuhat has no lies, no public comments 16:36:57 no likes* no lies, probably lots of those 17:48:25 are you guys discussing how to promote FreeBSD using those networks ? 17:52:23 don't think so 17:55:53 mzar: Always 17:56:23 very nice ! 18:45:51 sbr: thought for a second you meant motd on installed systems LOL. 18:46:30 I use motd there like a notes of what was last done with the system like upgrades etc 18:47:37 i only ever read channel motd when joining for the first time, most other channels seem to not update their motd at all 18:50:52 i use puppet to update them: https://drop.17es.dev/-LnikbPFVnD 19:00:00 rtprio: nice box, what is it? 19:00:15 an old r710 19:01:11 if it was ddr5 instead of ddr3 i could sell the ram and put my kid through college 19:01:14 Cool, Ive a pair of R640's 19:01:37 Yeah, I was scouring the local after market here and have 382GB in both machines 19:02:21 makr, On today's modern rented VPS virtual machines we have multiple people logged into various servers at the same time. In those cases I always give them +5m or at least to know the system is rebooting. I try not to pull the rug out from under them without warning. 19:02:28 It's a shared system thing. Which most people working on their desktop sandbox might never experience. But it is a use case. Not just an obsolete mainframe thing. 19:05:33 I found a couple bundles of 32gb DDR4 ECC chips for ~$70 each 20:37:27 that's amazing 20:58:45 Hello, all. What can I do to prevent an HDD from stoppiong for power saving? I have tried a) camcontrol apm da0 -l 245 and b) camcontrol apm da0 -- to no avail. 21:00:44 -1s/245/254 21:07:37 ^ c) camcontrol standby da0 -t 0 d) camcontrol idle da0 -t 0 -- no effect. 21:09:48 is there a smartctl command to do it 21:10:14 My HDD is: WDC WD10 05FBYZ-01YCBB3 21:10:27 rtprio, I don't know, will look into it. 21:14:55 rtprio, no, I don't think there is such a smartctl(8) option. 21:15:30 does it spin down or what 21:15:40 and take forever to come back, with a few command timeouts? 21:16:22 It spings down with a funny sound, after several minutes of inactivity. It spins back up at first access. 21:16:34 No errors. 21:18:38 what does camcontrol powermode for the device tell you? 21:19:09 camcontrol: Can't get ATA command status 21:19:37 ^ the HDD is connected via a USB adapters, if that matters. 21:20:39 oh, it might yeah 21:20:51 i wonder if the enclosure is doing it for you 21:22:24 It has been the same with a couple of different enclosures, reportedly good ones. And my PC has no direct SATA port. I'll have to find a way to repeat the tests with the bare HDD. 23:55:45 ant-x, I would have said that "camcontrol apm da0 -l 254" would be the equivalent and should work.