msiism, actually, which spelling to use is already decided. By convention, FreeBSD doc uses US spellings. But fixing that specific spot would be good. :-)

s/convention/explicit decision/

hi all

hello!

Hi all, my current "NAS" system (mostly used for SSHFS access and backups) hasn't seen any new disk in 5 years, and the current SMART data makes me think it's time to enjoy black Friday deals. (193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 001 001 000 Old_age Always - 5843317) Are there some models that I absolutely should not buy? (there was a WD debacle about shingled(?) stuff that

I've read about a few years ago...

To look for: WD Red Pro (or Red Plus); Seagate Exos lines

... that is in US market.

I'm in the EU (France)

Exos lineup looks prohibitively expensive

WD Red Plus [cw]ould be cheaper

ST4000VNZ06 (Seagate IronWolf 4TB, CMR) is at 93€/pc, and ‎WD40EFZX (WD Red Plus 4TB is 115€

Have not seen Toshiba much here for serios NAS purpose. How is the situation there?

no idea, not much choice for Toshibas on Amazon.fr

is HGST dead though? 5 Years ago, I remember seeing 4-packs on amazon

I think WD had bought Hitachi line

oh wow, the price hike from 4 to 6TB is huge... WD Red Pro 6TB is 200+€

Much inflated price there! BHPhotoVideo is showing $30 due to discount on both; $40 otherwise

sorry, that is the price difference (between WD Red Pro 4- & 6 TB disks)

we have extra tax included ("redevance privée") and VAT is included (+20%)

ok, our pricing still doesn't make sense

Supposedly "WD Ultrastar" would provide formerly HGST disks, cannot say

... B & H shows $150 & 200 for 4- & 6 TB Ultrastar disks: bhphotovideo.com/c/search?q=wd%20ul…=fct_capacity_844%3A8tb%7C6tb%7C4tb

s/200/$&/

I'm seeing ~200€ for the 4TB models here on Amazon

(150€ + 20% VAT + "shipping")

Yeah ...

Would you need to pay Customs/import fee, in addition to VAT, after certain amount of purchase?

no, the price is "all inclusive"

Ok

WYSIWYP

OK, so comparing the "accessible" options (WD40EFZX and ST4000VN006), they have the same spec sheet (same CMR, MTBF, RPM, warranty) but the Seagate one has higher max throughput (not that it *really* matters and slightly larger cache) and is 20% cheaper

seagate.com/files/www-content/datas…2tb-emea-DS1904-21-2207FR-fr_FR.pdf (p3/5) documents.westerndigital.com/conten…western-digital-wd-red-plus-hdd.pdf (p3/3)

good morning

Good arbitrary Babylonian day division.

can anyone recommend any good reading for someone who only been using linux but wants to try out bsd? like, common pitfalls when it comes to differences etc

hello there, today I rebuild my poudriere ports and found that all PHP80 ports become PHP81 which is not even listed in my port list???

tgarder, IMHO the best way is to start trying use FreeBSD and use FreeBSD handbook docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook

Title: FreeBSD Handbook | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

99% of very common things are described there with samples

cool, thanks!

also BSD man has samples most times

right now I'm not even getting virtualbox to install freebsd though, getting guru meditation critical errors, gotta find out what's up. :D

to become a guru, try to install FreeBSD without using installed :) like partition disk and decompress software there

ZFS is your friend

use BSD Memstick image or CD1 as a boot disk.

good luck

regarding PHP, found that default version of PHP has been switched to 8.1, source : cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/UPDATING

Title: UPDATING - ports - FreeBSD ports tree

Is cvsup still the recommended method for populating /usr/src?

Oh, no, that documentation is hilariously out of date. Ignore me.

jkc: docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/mirrors

Title: Appendix A. Obtaining FreeBSD | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

Yeah, already found it.

But thanks!

is there a way to browse the mailing-lists?

tgarder, in addition to the Handbook, there's docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/linux-users.

richardbanger, lists.freebsd.org and click archives next to the list.

what i meant to ask was if there was a way to browse them on the terminal interface?

richardbanger: there are some terminal based web browsers, w3m is one.

i meant natively but thx

does freebsd support hybrid graphics?

Soni: I have no experience with hybrid graphics. There is a Tag on FreeBSD Forum, not a lot of posts but you might want to check forums.freebsd.org/tags/hybrid-graphics

Title: hybrid graphics | The FreeBSD Forums

does freebsd keep a history of bash?

richardbanger: What do you mean? bash keeps history of bash

Well bash port does keep its own history. FWTW

macos keeps a history of your bash

terminal history

As dh said, " bash keeps history of bash". Even on MacOS

sorry im multitasking

location?

Check $HISTFILE value. If unset, then a history is not kept.

IOW, to keep history, you may need to set HISTFILE variable to wherever you want to keep the history file

... set that in "~/.bashrc"

Further, make sure $HISTSIZE is nonzero to keep history; see "bash(1)" manual page

thx

bash by default will set HISTFILE to $HOME/.bash_history by default if not otherwise set elsewhere. On FreeBSD and elsewhere.

Folks, is anyone using freebsd in Oracle cloud?

I've heard of some people who've tried it.

rogersm: yes

rogersm: yes. 13.1 arm64

I also have amd64 its all perfectly cromulent

dch, You mean your amd64 is a made up word from a 1996 Simpson's episode? :-)

pushing the English language forwards since 1996

the word is 25 years old now, its able to vote and even decide the remain in the EU

If English can have a word "defenestration", the act of throwing someone out of a window, then there is no reason it can't have cromulent too.

die fensterpolitik

"When _I_ use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean--neither more nor less."

"The question is," said Alice, "whether you _can_ make words mean so many different things."

"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master--that's all."