04:55:25 msiism, actually, which spelling to use is already decided. By convention, FreeBSD doc uses US spellings. But fixing that specific spot would be good. :-) 04:55:46 s/convention/explicit decision/ 07:09:18 hi all 07:20:50 * Erhard waves 07:42:55 hello! 07:54:05 Hi all, my current "NAS" system (mostly used for SSHFS access and backups) hasn't seen any new disk in 5 years, and the current SMART data makes me think it's time to enjoy black Friday deals. (193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 001 001 000 Old_age Always - 5843317) Are there some models that I absolutely should not buy? (there was a WD debacle about shingled(?) stuff that 07:54:07 I've read about a few years ago... 07:56:33 To look for: WD Red Pro (or Red Plus); Seagate Exos lines 07:58:49 ... that is in US market. 07:59:28 I'm in the EU (France) 07:59:41 Exos lineup looks prohibitively expensive 08:01:13 WD Red Plus [cw]ould be cheaper 08:01:38 ST4000VNZ06 (Seagate IronWolf 4TB, CMR) is at 93€/pc, and ‎WD40EFZX (WD Red Plus 4TB is 115€ 08:02:12 Have not seen Toshiba much here for serios NAS purpose. How is the situation there? 08:02:31 no idea, not much choice for Toshibas on Amazon.fr 08:02:59 is HGST dead though? 5 Years ago, I remember seeing 4-packs on amazon 08:03:36 I think WD had bought Hitachi line 08:03:57 oh wow, the price hike from 4 to 6TB is huge... WD Red Pro 6TB is 200+€ 08:07:12 Much inflated price there! BHPhotoVideo is showing $30 due to discount on both; $40 otherwise 08:07:50 sorry, that is the price difference (between WD Red Pro 4- & 6 TB disks) 08:07:59 we have extra tax included ("redevance privée") and VAT is included (+20%) 08:08:25 ok, our pricing still doesn't make sense 08:10:31 Supposedly "WD Ultrastar" would provide formerly HGST disks, cannot say 08:15:48 ... B & H shows $150 & 200 for 4- & 6 TB Ultrastar disks: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?q=wd%20ultrastar&filters=fct_capacity_844%3A8tb%7C6tb%7C4tb 08:16:00 s/200/$&/ 08:16:28 I'm seeing ~200€ for the 4TB models here on Amazon 08:16:55 (150€ + 20% VAT + "shipping") 08:17:09 Yeah ... 08:18:27 Would you need to pay Customs/import fee, in addition to VAT, after certain amount of purchase? 08:18:43 no, the price is "all inclusive" 08:18:50 Ok 08:18:51 WYSIWYP 09:05:21 OK, so comparing the "accessible" options (WD40EFZX and ST4000VN006), they have the same spec sheet (same CMR, MTBF, RPM, warranty) but the Seagate one has higher max throughput (not that it *really* matters and slightly larger cache) and is 20% cheaper 09:05:46 https://www.seagate.com/files/www-content/datasheets/pdfs/ironwolf-12tb-emea-DS1904-21-2207FR-fr_FR.pdf (p3/5) https://documents.westerndigital.com/content/dam/doc-library/fr_fr/assets/public/western-digital/product/internal-drives/wd-red-plus-hdd/product-brief-western-digital-wd-red-plus-hdd.pdf (p3/3) 11:19:46 good morning 13:21:27 Good arbitrary Babylonian day division. 13:37:01 can anyone recommend any good reading for someone who only been using linux but wants to try out bsd? like, common pitfalls when it comes to differences etc 13:45:10 hello there, today I rebuild my poudriere ports and found that all PHP80 ports become PHP81 which is not even listed in my port list??? 13:50:57 tgarder, IMHO the best way is to start trying use FreeBSD and use FreeBSD handbook https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/ 13:51:00 Title: FreeBSD Handbook | FreeBSD Documentation Portal 13:51:22 99% of very common things are described there with samples 13:51:30 cool, thanks! 13:51:49 also BSD man has samples most times 13:51:55 right now I'm not even getting virtualbox to install freebsd though, getting guru meditation critical errors, gotta find out what's up. :D 13:52:48 to become a guru, try to install FreeBSD without using installed :) like partition disk and decompress software there 13:53:01 ZFS is your friend 13:53:51 use BSD Memstick image or CD1 as a boot disk. 13:54:06 good luck 13:58:17 regarding PHP, found that default version of PHP has been switched to 8.1, source : https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/UPDATING 13:58:21 Title: UPDATING - ports - FreeBSD ports tree 14:40:44 Is cvsup still the recommended method for populating /usr/src? 14:41:58 Oh, no, that documentation is hilariously out of date. Ignore me. 15:08:32 jkc: https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/mirrors/ 15:08:33 Title: Appendix A. Obtaining FreeBSD | FreeBSD Documentation Portal 15:09:12 Yeah, already found it. 15:09:14 But thanks! 15:27:15 is there a way to browse the mailing-lists? 15:27:40 tgarder, in addition to the Handbook, there's https://docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/linux-users. 15:29:11 richardbanger, https://lists.freebsd.org/ and click archives next to the list. 15:43:25 what i meant to ask was if there was a way to browse them on the terminal interface? 16:04:14 richardbanger: there are some terminal based web browsers, w3m is one. 16:16:41 i meant natively but thx 18:02:57 does freebsd support hybrid graphics? 18:20:02 Soni: I have no experience with hybrid graphics. There is a Tag on FreeBSD Forum, not a lot of posts but you might want to check https://forums.freebsd.org/tags/hybrid-graphics/ 18:20:08 Title: hybrid graphics | The FreeBSD Forums 18:48:50 does freebsd keep a history of bash? 18:53:08 richardbanger: What do you mean? bash keeps history of bash 18:57:44 Well bash port does keep its own history. FWTW 19:06:07 macos keeps a history of your bash 19:06:11 terminal history 19:06:45 As dh said, " bash keeps history of bash". Even on MacOS 19:07:17 sorry im multitasking 19:07:23 location? 19:07:59 Check $HISTFILE value. If unset, then a history is not kept. 19:08:49 IOW, to keep history, you may need to set HISTFILE variable to wherever you want to keep the history file 19:09:09 ... set that in "~/.bashrc" 19:13:02 Further, make sure $HISTSIZE is nonzero to keep history; see "bash(1)" manual page 19:18:24 thx 19:23:36 bash by default will set HISTFILE to $HOME/.bash_history by default if not otherwise set elsewhere. On FreeBSD and elsewhere. 21:36:09 Folks, is anyone using freebsd in Oracle cloud? 22:27:33 I've heard of some people who've tried it. 22:47:44 rogersm: yes 22:54:43 rogersm: yes. 13.1 arm64 22:56:02 I also have amd64 its all perfectly cromulent 23:03:11 dch, You mean your amd64 is a made up word from a 1996 Simpson's episode? :-) 23:03:48 pushing the English language forwards since 1996 23:04:11 the word is 25 years old now, its able to vote and even decide the remain in the EU 23:06:46 If English can have a word "defenestration", the act of throwing someone out of a window, then there is no reason it can't have cromulent too. 23:07:28 die fensterpolitik 23:10:42 "When _I_ use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean--neither more nor less." 23:10:45 "The question is," said Alice, "whether you _can_ make words mean so many different things." 23:10:51 "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master--that's all." 23:11:02 https://www.gutenberg.org/files/12/12-0.txt