danmcd I just watched your presentation on ptools for office hours, great stuff, I'm now using say to know when builds completed :)

Thanks neirac!

uugh.. i had forgotten about binaries living in /etc

That's still a thing? I thought Sun purged those in the late 80s.

apparently some stuff still gets delivered to /etc/fs

Benn toying around with Oxides fork of illumos, Helios today. And i realize that i am quite the novice in real unix. Stuck in some linux think i believe. I was wondering whats the best way to understand a little more on how to run the system. I cant get netconfig to stick and it cleared out /root/ where i had stored all my files in a reboot. So its been a bit of an uphill battle. Any tips welcome on how

to break the surface and get some experience

Goal is to get it into my fingertips just like linux

I always just poke at it until I learn, asking questions when I'm really stumped.

elwisp the OpenSolaris bible could be a good start

Good to have a task to accomplish to direct the learning.

elwisp also here, omnios wiki github.com/omniosorg/omnios-wiki/blob/master/GeneralAdministration.md helios is like omnios AFAIK

task is to get oxides controlplane and webgui working

i wanna run a poor mans oxide computer

neat, will look into that one

maybe one of the oxide folks can comment how they're persisting the network configuration

on plain illumos, you use dladm + ipadm, and those are persisted to /etc/dladm/datalink.conf and /etc/ipadm/ipadm.conf

i don't know though if they're doing something different

(e.g. smartos /etc is non-persistent, so there's a small file that has the network configuration in terms of MAC addresses that gets applied (and calls dladm and ipadm) during the boot process)

it sounds though like /root might also not be persistent (which would explain why it was empty after a reboot)

oops

jbk: yeah etc was persistent i think. I got some settings to stick. Not sshd config however. And not my virtual nic for the hypervisor either

Might be that their stack does this from their control plane and the actual workernodes are just dumb enough to accept some config and crunch the numbers

I would recommend getting familiar with using OmniOS directly first to be honest.

rmustacc: what makes you say that?

jbk: do they hang out here by any chance?

If you've never used an illumos based system, helios is not built (and we're not set up to support you) for success. Oxide builds helios in a lot of different flavors.

While for example, I use helios in a way that's not unlike omnios on a stock pc for various things, what we build on a gimlet and ship as part of a product is different. What you're trying to do isn't impossible, but when you ask what does it in the product, it's actually sled-agent (which is different from when I run stock helios on a pc).

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rmustacc: i see

So just with respect to the goal of getting it into your fingertips like Linux, using a more traditional illumos distro is a better way to build up familiarity as there are more docs, folks who can answer questions, etc. I realize that doesn't help with the goal of getting it running otherwise.

elwisp smartos works out of the box if you need an hypervisor, or use omnios + zadm

To put it differently, if you have an actual set up like a gimlet, there is no way to install packages and it's a sealed ramdisk.

rmustacc: how come you are runnign helios?

I work at Oxide.

Neat!

So I dogfood the i86pc side of things on systems.

I had Propolis built and was testing when the vm rebooted and nuked my work. Will try omnioos next then

Appriciate the pointers. I will be back! :)

And just to be clear, I'm recommending something like OmniOS or another distro just for the goal of how do I get familiar with illumos.

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