12:49:38 <neirac> danmcd I just watched your presentation on ptools for office hours, great stuff, I'm now using say to know when builds completed :)
14:32:42 <danmcd> Thanks neirac!
15:00:10 <jbk> uugh.. i had forgotten about binaries living in /etc
15:23:40 <nomad> That's still a thing? I thought Sun purged those in the late 80s.
15:28:06 <jbk> apparently some stuff still gets delivered to /etc/fs
15:39:47 * nomad blinks
16:21:57 <elwisp> Benn toying around with Oxides fork of illumos, Helios today. And i realize that i am quite the novice in real unix. Stuck in some linux think i believe. I was wondering whats the best way to understand a little more on how to run the system. I cant get netconfig to stick and it cleared out /root/ where i had stored all my files in a reboot. So its been a bit of an uphill battle. Any tips welcome on how 
16:22:03 <elwisp> to break the surface and get some experience
16:22:15 <elwisp> Goal is to get it into my fingertips just like linux
16:24:13 <nomad> I always just poke at it until I learn, asking questions when I'm really stumped.
16:24:19 <neirac> elwisp the OpenSolaris bible could be a good start
16:24:22 <nomad> Good to have a task to accomplish to direct the learning.
16:25:38 <neirac> elwisp also here, omnios wiki https://github.com/omniosorg/omnios-wiki/blob/master/GeneralAdministration.md helios is like omnios AFAIK
16:29:46 <elwisp> task is to get oxides controlplane and webgui working
16:29:54 <elwisp> i wanna run a poor mans oxide computer
16:30:26 <elwisp> neat, will look into that one
16:32:45 <jbk> maybe one of the oxide folks can comment how they're persisting the network configuration
16:33:24 <jbk> on plain illumos, you use dladm + ipadm, and those are persisted to /etc/dladm/datalink.conf and /etc/ipadm/ipadm.conf
16:33:39 <jbk> i don't know though if they're doing something different
16:34:20 <jbk> (e.g. smartos /etc is non-persistent, so there's a small file that has the network configuration in terms of MAC addresses that gets applied (and calls dladm and ipadm) during the boot process)
16:35:22 <jbk> it sounds though like /root might also not be persistent (which would explain why it was empty after a reboot)
16:50:26 <elwisp> 
16:50:28 <elwisp> oops
16:51:02 <elwisp> jbk: yeah etc was persistent i think. I got some settings to stick. Not sshd config however. And not my virtual nic for the hypervisor either
16:51:48 <elwisp> Might be that their stack does this from their control plane and the actual workernodes are just dumb enough to accept some config and crunch the numbers
16:53:25 <rmustacc> I would recommend getting familiar with using OmniOS directly first to be honest.
16:56:59 <elwisp> rmustacc: what makes you say that?
16:58:16 <elwisp> jbk: do they hang out here by any chance?
16:58:20 <rmustacc> If you've never used an illumos based system, helios is not built (and we're not set up to support you) for success. Oxide builds helios in a lot of different flavors.
17:00:31 <rmustacc> While for example, I use helios in a way that's not unlike omnios on a stock pc for various things, what we build on a gimlet and ship as part of a product is different. What you're trying to do isn't impossible, but when you ask what does it in the product, it's actually sled-agent (which is different from when I run stock helios on a pc).
17:02:17 <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 15743 Improve boot-time PCI-to-PCI bridge programming -- Andy Fiddaman <illumos⊙fn>
17:03:03 <elwisp> rmustacc: i see
17:03:08 <rmustacc> So just with respect to the goal of getting it into your fingertips like Linux, using a more traditional illumos distro is a better way to build up familiarity as there are more docs, folks who can answer questions, etc. I realize that doesn't help with the goal of getting it running otherwise.
17:03:20 <neirac> elwisp smartos works out of the box if you need an hypervisor, or use omnios + zadm 
17:03:45 <rmustacc> To put it differently, if you have an actual set up like a gimlet, there is no way to install packages and it's a sealed ramdisk.
17:03:47 <elwisp> rmustacc: how come you are runnign helios?
17:03:52 <rmustacc> I work at Oxide.
17:04:26 <elwisp> Neat!
17:04:36 <rmustacc> So I dogfood the i86pc side of things on systems.
17:06:42 <elwisp> I had Propolis built and was testing when the vm rebooted and nuked my work. Will try omnioos next then
17:07:13 <elwisp> Appriciate the pointers. I will be back! :)
17:08:19 <rmustacc> And just to be clear, I'm recommending something like OmniOS or another distro just for the goal of how do I get familiar with illumos.
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