llua: Correct, but posix -> ksh -> bourne-shell seems like a way to backdate some of the recommendations. It's not as though I was referencing fish shell or nushell.

dvl: you can use [ "${jail#14}" != "$jail" ]

anyone else have an issue with realtek cards under load hanging the system? I'm sustaining 800mbps and it seems the entire system hangs for 3-5 seconds at a time

specifically, the re kernel module is hanging the entire usb subsystem

pciconf shows RTL8125 2.5GbE Controller

which i can't get more than 800 mbps out of, even when iperf3 to 10gbe server

for comparison, my intel cards can get 1.1 gbps to the same server

is there known issues with the raspberry pi 4b with 14.3? only boots to rainbow screen

firmware not recongnize ?

sig`: what media are you booting from? i don't recall any issues with that using the rpi-specific install media, but it's been a while since i had to boot from that

tried both sandisk and ssd

but double checked by booting one with linux on it with no issues

seems it's the img

i mean freebsd install media - for rpi you need "FreeBSD-14.3-RELEASE-arm64-aarch64-RPI.img" because it contains the MS-DOS partition with the RPi firmware

I ran it a while back with 13

yes that's the one i am using

if you have a working rpi boot media (like Linux), you may try mounting the FreeBSD image and replacing the firmware with the copy from the working media

i think there are some issues with firmware version vs rpi version, i don't know the details though

I think you're right

I think the rasp pi firmware has been updated and freebsd hasn't updated theirs yet?

well, there's some other issue where the newest firmware may not work with freebsd because they keep changing the dtb, so freebsd is sometimes a little behind... i'd suggest posting on the arm@ mailing list, there's probably somewhere there who knows better than me

ivy: thank you will do

ivy: are the pkgbase packages marked as vital in some way?

kenrap: runtime, clibs and set-* are vital

ivy: does any of the set-* cover any of the FreeBSD-* packages?

i'm not sure what you mean, but the set packages are names FreeBSD-set-<name>

named

ivy: what I mean is, does having the FreeBSD-set-* marked as vital prevent the removal of FreeBSD-* packages when using `pkg remove -a`?

i don't know, but i strongly suggest not trying to find out :-)

you can run the command and look at the proposed plan, if you want to check

I play around with it in a jail. I'm starting to feel bad for offering stupid advice in the "14.3 to 15-ALPHA5 pkgbase" forum thread.

best option to query how many pages in and pages out swap has done recently? vmstat # outputs a ton of info not just paging, vmstat -s outputs lots of paging info but totals, not recent

ivy: gist.github.com/kenrap/09e619a25d0c0e9a4784f00e7d810478

pkgbasify is supposed to create the /var/db/etcupdate/current file, right?

i've never used pkgbasify, sorry

😢

I figured out a manual way. Bombs away!

I mean, this is good. I can safely self-teach myself about the existing quirks of pkgbase

ivy: that's the type of thing I was trying to remember. In this case, a case works out better, because I'm checking for 13 jails and 14 jails.

ivy: are you familiar with this problem? gist.github.com/kenrap/9ce9f9bdb30cc0a450d63633d1a0276b

kenrap: related to freebsd/pkg #2517

thanks

it's on my list of pkg bugs that must be fixed before release

does pkg really use a sat solver?

paulf: there are two options, SAT and CUDF. i don't remember which is the default (i think it can use both)

I'm glad I spent some time playing with pkgbase. Most of the time spent was from fighting with the jail chflags restrictions, but I figured out how to get around that for pkgbase.

And got a good appreciation of the current problems

Hi! I've just installed FreeBSD 14.3 and am trying to install KDE (pkg install kde, pkg install kde5, pkg install xfce, pkg install gnome), but still getting "No packages available to install matching 'kde/kde5/xfce/gnome'". The same with xfce, gnome, etc. What am I doing wrong?

My /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf contains: url: "pkg.FreeBSD.org/$(ABI)/latest"

for xfce i believe the package name is xfce4

isn't just "kde" enough (as a kde6 metapackage)?

Hi

I need some clarification in this

I am now moving home to a different directory

I have created new partition UFS no journaling just dump, and mounted in a temp directory which I created before.. And I will now boot in signal usermode, mounting all filesystem and my new partition

enter mount point and dump the whole /usr/home directory, then add an entry for it in fstab.. but isn't that will break permissions

making my user accessible?

*inaccessible

you're moving your /home to a new partition?

Yes

assuming you did it correctly your files will have the same ownership/permissions they did before

Will dump do the work right?

i haven't used it, but probably.

rtprio: is this a safe idea?

well make sure the new one works before removing the old one

but yes, this is a fairly routine administrative task for fixed size paritions

like cd the mount point (/mnt/newhome), then dump 0af - /usr/home | restore rf -

rtprio: how could I test it

before removing the old one

for one, you don't need to reboot into single user mode. you can log out your user and log in as a different user (root)

let's back up, what is /home (or /usr/home) mounted on now? and where do you intend to put it

I thinked so; bec. the article which I got the instructions is for moving /usr dir

rtprio: I never separated home directory before, I mean home is on same freebsd root partition

*it is

ok, so where is it going?

I am using this as my main computer (nearly the only one working), so I need some clear idea about

rtprio: it's on the freebsd root UFS partition /dev/ada0p2

and where are you moving it to?

I can't umount it

to /dev/ada0p5

(so dump will take all of /, perhaps not what you want to do)

did you already newfs /dev/ada0p5 ?

Yeah

I said above

ok, so mount it into a temporary location. like /mnt

yeah done it /mnt/newhome

But I should fix permissions there for my user (mosaid:mosaid)

and it's group

yes. or re-copy it, preserving permissions

No, I mean fix permissions for the partition; to make my user use it normally

rtprio: so you want me to use cp?

*cp -a

i would ada0p5 as 'home' not as 'mosaid'

i would mount ada0p5 as 'home' not as 'mosaid'

if that makes sense. so /mnt/mosaid has the correct permissions, and /mnt is still owned by root

rtprio: Sorry, for making you confused, I was just only saying that I need to make my user (mosaid) own the (/mnt/newhome)

then cp/dump the /home

with the right permission, all of this is very simple

but how could I test it without removing OG (/home)

it's a bit unusual to mount a drive all the way to a homedir, rather than /home

you mean you want me to remove the symlink of (/usr/home)

then mount the new partition there, right?

mount in /home which was a symlink before

i mean that is the ultimate goal, once /mnt/mosaid and /usr/home/mosaid are identical

yeah, but isn't this will make many apps confused?

you're getting ahead of yourself

(is your $HOME /usr/home or /home ?) when you created your user?

rtprio: /home, I think every thing will work, but I read before about some apps (I think low-lvl ones) uses /usr/home.. even if $HOME is set

rtprio: many years ago

XD

My cdrom is doing bizarre funny stuff when I use it on freebsd

[Lag: 52 (??)]

i don't know what's going on

It's just sometimes opens without any command, some other never allow me to open it.. and yestarday with opening and closing randomly with the reader head moving also randomly inside XD

for about 2 minutes

Never mind I will fix it later

*it was

it also opens half a door then close fast; to disallow me of taking out the cd XD

If this a normal, I don't know Ai cd-roms will look like..

*what

okay, Retrofan did you get figured out

Not till now, I am now working on my /home directory

ok, but does /mnt/you look the same as /usr/home/you ?

I didn't copy anything till now, I am only asking here to take the full idea before logging out

ok, so /mnt/username and /usr/home/username should look exactly the same

Should I use dump or cp -a ?

cp -Rp

better than dump..?

huh, sure, -a would work

use rsync you masochists

tar

rsync is the best tool I ever used

then i would move your old home aside, mv /usr/home /usr/oldhome; mkdir /usr/home and mount your new partition'

then you can login as yourself again

if it all works ok, delete /usr/oldhome at your leasure

i have done this dozens of times... until i started using zfs and now i do it exactly never

I will use it on my new hard drive, for now using UFS for the system

So cp -Rp is way to go

again, you're not 100% committed until you remove your old directory

yeah I know

what.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_from_Bell_Labs

Plan9? it very similar to Xerox Smalltalk

Xerox have done everything before even Unix became a thing

Ok, going for now

Hi

I think it's not working well :(

cp is still copying a small Directory for half hour now..

which one

how much space does the old /home use?

ah

rtprio: it just copies a file contains millons of files, so it take some time..

It's huge in number of files, but not size (size is less 100GB)

I said before I have bilions of files here on my hard disks

but small ones

i must have lost my irc connection when you said that

well, it will take a while then

hope you don't run out of inodes

?

what is inodes

inode is file structure in your ufs.

ah you mean that

ufs has predetermined number of inodes

I read about it before

df -i

cp copied till now 273,874

file

As I can see I use less than 20% of every one

I belive that No of inodes is so big

*bigger than my files

Oh cp can't copy sockets?

does it really make sense to copy them? you'd re-create them, wouldn't you

philoosophical question.... the defeinition of an endpoint, or data that might be read from one?

rtprio: I think it begins of copying my browser cache file, I didn't clear it from at least 3 years

*directory

and I daily open more than 60 tab on any browser I use; so I think it's super huge

if you used rsync you could have done it live in the background, than ran it again to get the updates

ah yeah you are right

I know this tool very well

so you've said

but seemed to have ignored the recommendation to, like, use it ;)

I used to create a huge archiving pool before

Thanks for rysnc and ArchiveTeam concept

Oh, it will finsh now very soone

the copying of big directories finished

hey, I want to compile the kernel on a machine that has network connection, move the newly compiled to another machine (via USB) to another airgapped machine and run it there. How would I go about doing that? All the info I can find online is about compiling locally and installing locally.

compile locally, move new kernel to new machine, install locally on new machine

no other files that need to be moved? only the new kernel?

Should be unless there's something special about one of the boxes.

ok, thanks. Don't know why the info I found online made it sound like this was an insurmountable task.

Oh, no

No space left on device

rtprio: The size of /home is more than I expected

it's 90GB

I think the right chocie now is rm -r all what I copied, than move the 6 Gb wich I store on some new partition I created few monthes ago.. and make it home

*which

after I delete the OG /usr/home, I want to shrink root "/" partition and give the free GBs to my new partition

usually shrinking is a nogo

To get (home 195GB, Misc partition 195GB, root 75GB)

and don't forget to consider using zfs instead in the future... though in theory ufs is fine

nogo? why

ignore my last comment

ZFS is for my new harddrive 1TB

Retrofan: you cant shrink a ufs partition. i mean, you can delete and recreate a smaller one but you cant do the opposite of growfs

the only way to shrink an ufs filesystem is to dump it and restore it into a smaller filesystem

Retrofan: why not just use zfs now, if you have a new hard drive for it?