since I don't know what /usr/local/bin/* are binaries or shell scripts, should I just name all shell scripts like program.sh (i.e., use .sh extension)?

do you have a need to tell if something is a binary or a shell script from its filename?

no but sounds easier

well, they're your files, so it's up to you, just make sure not to rename anything installed from ports/packages

yes

darwin, The size (as with "ls -l") should give a clue (most scripts are much smaller than binaries). And "file" will confirm.

a Slackware user showed me an article why he thinks it's bad to ever give scripts or any other command extensions: talisman.org/~erlkonig/documents/co…dname-extensions-considered-harmful

i'm not sure it convinced me because most I use can be said to be more than just commands, like larger pieces of software

Normally, you don't really care. Unless you want to edit one.

Or are curious what it is doing..

darwin: file might help

ex: file /usr/local/bin/poudriere

ivy: hmmm maybe I should read the source code first :P

I have a weird obversion to reading source code for some reason, when its my own then sure, but when I see 100,000 lines of code I get scared :P

I think I asked this and I think I got told no, but is there an IRC channel where the docs folks hang out, or is it just on shitcor... I mean Discord :D

the wiki says #bsddocs on efnet, but no idea if that is still up-to-date

polarian: there's the freebsd-doc mailing list, and of course bugzilla. You browse doc issues specifically. And if you want to contribute documentation, first stop should be the FDP: docs.freebsd.org/en/books/fdp-primer

s/You/You can/

divlamir: just had a quick question I wanted answered

nimaje: will check it out thx

You might ask it here, or on #freebsd-dev. According to netsplid.de #bsddocs is no more

For better guidance, use the mailing lists

polarian: here's an example exchange with someone in a similar situation: lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-doc/2025-September/007529.html

its fine I asked bcr at the devsummit now

I got my answer

Hi

I have some problems with my znc for 3days now :p

that's kind of sucky

yeah

I am using Ircnow's Oddprotocol

yet here you are :)

flatdog: are a freebsd desktop user?

*you

yes, I am

x11?

yep

What is your setup

wich wm?

a SFF HP, with NVidia 710, Intel network, Samsung nvme+ some old WD Blue HDD. XFCE4 for the "sugar", JWM for being slim.

O_o

I am also using SFF HP :D

what's wrong? it does the job for me

no it's very nice

just first person I talk to him have one..

I got like a bunch for the price of one

*exagerration, got 3

Yeah, from a company?

They use them in offices

there is this company in my city, they refurbish and sell old-ish systems

dirt-cheap, yet stable

I got only one for realy t

*really cheap price

$50

hmmm... are you active on the official forum? *the retro part rings a bell

Forum?

no

ok, sorry

But i have an account

 flatdog: SFF HP 6005?

following the forum is good. There is some clutter, but there is a lot more value, direct feedback, devs and competent people reacting

close :)(

Yeah I get a fix for nearly everything there

6000s?

s/:)(/:) *fatfingered

Retrofan: HP ProDesk 600 G3 SFF

very modern..

modern, my *** :D

it just works, what else to expect?

mine is 6005

when it dies, may God rest it in peace :)

usually I go with Dell, but this was too much of a bargain to miss, so HP it is

6005 is nice, except the fact FreeBSD cannot be booted on this PC

Sorry? how come" cannot be booted"?

Retrofan: how are you booting FreeBSD on your HP 6005?

wait..

TP, perhaps?

My bad it's HP CompaqPro 6305

Forgot about "3"

6005 does exist

yeah I know

I remeber I have a sff from 20

*2004

somewhere

there is a nice story about 6005 bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=151122

TL;DR - use GRUB2 to load and boot FreeBSD kernel

Then loader not working there..

flatdog: Be careful with HDDs that came with those used SFF ones, they die fast

I had one WD green 500gb ntfs format, and I have strange problems with it..

new nvme, no second-hand storage

ah nice

thank you for the heads-up

No problem :D

I am a professinal in placeing as much as I can HDDs in my small case XD

you like the noise? :)

Not really

*and the heat

no heat I made a cooling system for them

3 HDD

+CD-rom

*one is Disconnected

All of them are 500GB, I think about buying a bigger ones..

how on Earth have you managed to shrink in 3 HHDs and a CD-ROM into that tight case?

easy heh

now you've got my attention

You can add a second HDD under the CD-rom

and another one is pretty hard but I made it

I got it between the CD-Rom and the second HDD heh

Bec those two are small Segatte

2'5 my guess

and a fan beside them

No 3.5

I can only hope the power supply will keep up

but they are thin

really thin

there still a big space after two of them Installed

hey, "it's temporary, unless it works" :)

flatdog: my power supply can handle easilt 3 HDDs

*easily

nice

as the manual

and it working good no heat :D

my oldest machine (in function as we speak/type) is an old Supermicro workstation

Pyramid IV tower

2004 or something

doing firewall/routing

mine is Macintosh classic 1990

those are immortal beasts

*removed the IPMI

not a FreeBSD purist myself, I use Void Linux and Slackware as well

Void being the daily driver

I am only using Freebsd

whatever floats the boat :)

yeah

i couldn't be bothered to figure out nvidia or steam on freebsd

steam?

as I said, whatever floats the boat

heh never used such a thing..

My most modern game on my pc is Xevil

too old for gaming

I reported it to freebsd

*I am

"The creation and dispersal of XEvil is but a single step in our complicated and devious plot to achieve world domination. With each download, we take control of yet another weak-willed soul. Soon our army of hopelessly obedient slaves will be complete, and we will rule the planet!! WA HA HA HA HA HA! HO HO HA HAH HA HA HA!! HEH HEH HA AHA HA HA

HA!" funny XD

and some  webgames (Java, flash and shockwave)

heh Xpat2

Flash, he said :)

Nuke

1995

flatdog: I am an old Macromedia Director user

not my world, but hey, we're not supposed to be the same

Macromedia was the apex of web

Ultradev, Dreamweaver, Fireworks... good ol' days

then Adobe came in

The most company I hate after Microsoft is Adobe

Adobe is evil

true

we need a page like that for adobe

Sorry, you're not allowed to hate Adobe.

heh

You haven't paid your Hate Adobe License fee for this month.

oops!

Adobe called Director and flash

:)

*killed

flash itself was a time bomb, nothing to lose there

Do you know they even didn't devolp AS3 for flash

flatdog: they killed it with not butting interst in making it secure

*interest

well, I haven't touched a windows machine for years, I only follow the news that matter for me

They just get the most advantage (money) from it with the least devolpment

*got

And for director fired the OG Devs

I remember ColdFusion, and their failure

Myspace heh

I was also a ColdFusion user

then killed it

and I remember an american agency running all of their web stack on ColdFusion. Bad ideas come fast, last forever.

wasn't Myspace a PERL stack? I might be wrong, just asking

A lot of stuff was Perl in the early days :)

Perl is the first Aid Kit, when the simple shell is not enough (arguably)

flatdog: Pure CF

myspace

arrays, arrays everywhere :)

Retrofan: ok, for some reason I thought it was Perl, my apologies

flatdog: Just imgine the society if Adobe didn't buy Macromedia

Macromedia ideas in 2000s was out of control

Look like you never touched Director.. but if you used it.. you surely will fell in love with it..

easy Drag and drop envirement, but can do crazy things

divlamir: the only Lang I had fully understand it was Perl

Macromedia was ahead of time, on many layers

but I hated it after my attempt of building Mozilla on mac os 9

old Moz was heavily rely on it, took me 9 monthes to semi-build it

:)

LibreWolf, all automated

But I got back to moz with seamonkey (Brasmonkey) now

*Brassmonkey

to each, their own

yeah

but it's still nearly OG Mozilla

*I mean here the software not foundation

got it

the last CVE of flash before 2021 was a RCE XD

I'm more into the tech side, manufacturing and such

You might be not

yeah, I am more artist

For me, LibreCAD is essential

means nothing to you

to each, their own

For your work?

yes

living

as in day to day

Mine is  just Openoffice

*probably missing some dashes

hmmm I should learn LibreCAD sometime

grew up on AutoCAD

I hate cities

hodapp: it's just a tool, it can do whatever you want. The user is the limiting factor.

well yeah, this is why I didn't say "LibreCAD should morph itself into a form that I already understand without having to learn"

it takes a while to learn, but the learning curve isn't that steep, if you ask me.

previous CAD experience could help

I mostly use the CAM modules

yes, did AutoCAD professionally for a bit in a past life

you will find yourslf at home-ish, there are subtleties

nothing you couldn't handle

Look at the lack of interest in development that adobe have, Shockwave from v10 to last version have the same CVE (Memory Corruption) which devolped with time to became a RCE.. then adobe killed it in 2019

Macromedia had a plan of mixing Director, flash and shockwave 3d to became a one big soft

Adobe is the other Oracle (fuck them both bastards)

whatever they touch, dies

Solaris, anyone?

in 2004, then the acquired of abode came

flatdog: heh, yeah

I remember reading an article about that huge project somewhere

I don't normally cheer for Apple and Google, but the day that Steve Jobs curb-stomped Flash on iPhone and then Google followed suit by disabling it by default in Chrome was a happy day

Bad day :(

indeed, better safe than sorry (a tad late, but still...)

those were the nails in Flash's coffin after Adobe spent years and years refusing to support it beyond the absolute bare minimum

all the progress is made by good and bad days

:)

their Linux support was just garbage; Flash struggled to scale a 320x240 video to full-screen and Adobe lied about it having any kind of GPU support

 I am talking about.. potental of Flash (If abobe didn't abused it)

i am being made to wonder about ruffle

I was in their server in 2020

hmmm...

LxGHTNxNG: Tomfulp sent me an invite

but I hate Discord so I left

flatdog: what?

Adobe's server?

oh, Flash could have been a lot else

flatdog: ruffle discord server

Got that now

hodapp: yeah

flash is a silly little guy anyway

javascript with pixels

remember shumway

Mozilla failed project

I build it back in the day, it 80% supported AS3

do not hurt Mozilla, I run a derivative browser :)

Only AS3 and AVM2

me too

But i hate mozilla foundation

love the product

Brassmonkey is 100% free of mozilla

yeah product is nice

LibreWolf, not the best but suits me well

does anyone know off hand if we have a DRM driver for AMD Strix Halo?

no idea @ivy

until they wanted to make AI integrated with firefox

AI is everywhere now :(

try the forums, perhaps? Very active and ready to help

or maybe we can drag in here a developer with more knowledge

it's not important enough for a forum post really, i'm just window shopping for new hardware

well, you know better

ivy: I can only find wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics/AMD-GPU-Matrix

Guys remember the old beuatifal logo of google

2000s era

*beuatifal

the season, I guess

season؟

I am more nostilgic in spring

ah, but surly autumn is not like this in my country

no forests here and just few plains

hmm... windy 24/7?

I really like plains myself

flatdog: not really

but wind here is strong

pretty much like Germany, not all flat, but with capricious winds and wheater

Germany? man.. my country (egypt) is 70% desert..

I said few plains

desert, and full of history, plenty to see and learn there. A point on my list.

I am not really a desert fan

I'm a huge dessert fan, though.

because you live there.

nor forests, I just like plains

flatdog: yeah

TommyC: look like you are fan of +50 celsius weather

70% desert? pfffft. rookie numbers

I'm in the US where it's 80% dessert.

us?

everywhere you look, it's overly sweet foods.

Texas? Or Arizona? Nevada, perhaps?

Isn't it have bunch of forests

it was a joke about our food culture sucking

Retrofan: depends heavily where you are in the country.

hodapp: yeah, that is the only advantage of forests

ehh?

Ggo north, plenty of forests in the US

s/Ggo/go

It's so cold where flatdog is even his typing is stuttering.

shame. have some dessert.

1 Creme Brulee please.

mmmmm I need to make creme brulee again.

also chocolate mousse.

I barely like sweet things, but make exceptions for those two

Tommy'O 18 degrees Celsius, 22:09

how cold can that be? :)

64.4 °F

18 multiplied by 9/5, add 32, freakin' fahrenheit

masochistic?

flatdog: Just health problems

oh, sorry to hear that

it was a stupid question

I was so scared of getting diabetics (my blood sugar was high), so I stopped eating it

I was really lucky of not being sugar lover

What is going wrong with Invidious? videos is no more working well

hey, get well and enjoy life, we only got one shot at it

yeah

one day I will climb one of those pyramids

only to realize how small I am, compared to all that history behind them

guess I'm lucky not really craving sugar much, nor things like alcohol

flatdog: Look like you are really fan of pyramids ;)

history, more likely :)

things that last, in general

me too

thank you for the conversation everyone. Time for me to hit the sack, nasty friday tomorrow.

me too bye!