$ man make -> mandoc: <stdin>: SYSERR: write: Broken pipe error bsd14?

^ :q

END q, works, END :q works

do anyone getting firefox missing from pkg repo? the default FreeBSD one

pkg install firefox

pkg: No packages available to install matching 'firefox' have been found in the repositories

firefox-esr?

i suspect pkg database is screwed somehow?

the same with firefox-esr

pkg update

i did that

cat /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf ?

pastebin please

sorry no idea, see someone else :)

sure

can you just check "man make" "q" error?

sorry?

terminal, $ man make, :q (quit) write: Broken pipe?

i don't have that

i think it is fixed in stable/14 is what i use build from sources

i am just 14.2, was just testing it

hmmm fbsd15 vm works

15.0 i mean

Hello

@jgh, thanks

angry_vincent: did you look for fallouts? portsfallout.com/fallout?port=www%2Ffirefox%24

w00t! From 2.5MB/s to ~20MB/s wifi transfers. Thank you bz@, adrian@, the foundation and everyone else involved!

When did the wifi improvements come in?

Yesterday I think

Check the freebsd-wireless mailing list

Cool. Updating now.

nimaje: i can't :) because no firefox installed.

jgh: did somebody say Nightwish?

:)

nimaje: allright, i was able to browse with emacs, thx.

well, the package just failed to build is a more likely explaination, than the pkg repo being somehow broken

maybe

i was getting a lot of failures due to rust. i do not know whether it is related to recent LLVM_DEFAULT bump to 19. As well as base llvm version is at 19 too

rust does build it's own llvm for itself. but maybe some parts of base's llvm are used during compilation.

i am trying to figure out

it is not that i hate rust but it's being problematic all the time

allright, latest pkg repo update has the firefox pkg

will it be removed ?

'it'?

firefox pkg

I am getting 32 and 42 MB/sec out of today's wifi in -current, without setting any variables. Is that expected? I thought I had to enable the new code.

цоол

cool

Setting the variables makes sending go up to 44 MB/s, but overall not much change.

Hi. Is it possible to use Brave Browser in FreeBSD through any linux-emulation script or FreshPorts? Would be glad to get some advice

Probably. I don't personally use it, but a quick search shows results like: github.com/mrclksr/linux-browser-installer. That page has also has a link to a relevant FreeBSD forums post.

icarious: Have you tried installing linux-brave package and then just run in?

dh, I have not. I am a Linux User looking to shift to FreeBSD. Brave Browser is a vital piece of software for me. May be the only hurdle. If I am correct there are two ways to use Brave in FreeBSD. The linux-browser-installer method as psychonate suggested, but the script seems a little unmaintained. And then Freshports. Can I get some documentation how to install the linux-brave package as you mentioned from Fresh Ports?

I mean, I just need some basic documentation on how to use any package from Fresh Ports.

Freshports is just an informative website

You install packages with pkg, for example in case of linux-brave "pkg install linux-brave"

dh, oh ok. Thanks for that. I thought Fresh Ports like some third party ports collection like Gentoo has with overlays or Arch Linux's AUR

Ok. Let me install FreeBSD, get Gnome working and see how brave works. I didn't know Brave had an official port now

That's wonderful to know

I honestly didn't realize there was a package and port for linux-brave heh

dh, Do I need to configure the linux emulation in FreeBSD before installing linux-brave?

Probably not

psychonate, I know. Even I was confused. I checked the status of brave back in 2023. And linux-browser-installer was all you had back then

dh, thanks mate

It seems like Tor Browser is supported too

When installing a package you get bunch of messages related to packages which tell you if you need to do something to make full use of package

freshports.org/www/tor-browser like wth. When did this happen lol

Damn. I am so done with Linux. I just needed Brave/ Tor Browser/ The Official Mullvad APP to work in freebsd and then switch. Mullvad I might just use their wireguard config files. But I am so glad to know Brave and Tor Browser is ported in FreeBSD

I've been using LibreWolf, which I like, but I can't say that I've done a deep comparison of many different browsers

I have a couple of yubikeys that I use for some sites. I'm curious if that would work alright with linux emulation and some browser therein

psychonate, the LibreWolf Firefox config was my last backup trust me. But its good to know Brave is supported

psychonate, oh btw, there s Zen Browser now. Which is like the Brave Browser of the Firefox world.

Getting Brave and Zen working would be a massive incentive for privacy loving people

Working hardware security key support, specifically for yubikeys, is a must for me though. That works for me with the native LibreWolf port. I'm not sure how difficult it would be to make that work in the Linux emulation.

These days for MFA on sites, I prefer security key; if I can't do that, then OTP; if I can't do that, then email.

But I'm definitely pushing for the security keys whenever possible.

Well. I am very basic Privacy/ Security oriented user. I know FreeBSD doesn't have Secure Boot enabled. As flawed as most modern Secure Boot inplementations are, it would be great to have those shim/ Microsoft Keys signed Secure Boot keys for FreeBSD like some of them Linuxes have. That aside, I just use Full Disk Encryption, Brave and Mullvad. The rest, I have nothing else that FreeBSD cannot provide to me that Linux Does. I am sick and tired of

Linux and systemd

Yubikey works, atleast in conjuction with ssh (not that I use it, but researched it some time ago) .. how well this support translates to other applications I don't know

Yep, I have some older yubikeys that I use on my other FreeBSD laptop and my FreeBSD desktop. Works fine with the browser and in PAM with pam_u2f.

I guess I am little out on the loop with this yubikey thing. Need to know more about it.

I mostly followed this: gist.github.com/spmzt/9436b30fb93ca6227e7f44769df71e4e

icarious the problem is, just shim and couple keys do not actually provide the security, the way the shim is created is just about playing the good kid and thats it.

It's sort of like having a little smartcard, but it's a USB device

Ya I just got the basics through searching. Might read more over the weekend

There should be a freebsd-security or freebsd-privacy for us people to get along. Lol

PAM in FreeBSD and linux can use it for MFA

And some websites and other apps

There are other security key manufacturers out there, too, but yubico is the only brand I've personally used

icarious: #freebsd has such low volume I don't think separate specialized channel is warranted, if that's what you were suggesting

dh, ya that's true I guess

psychonate, I see. I guess I am very old school local person. I don't have great use of modern "Apps" and Websites with 2FA/ MFA. I just want my local data to be encrypted. And use a strong VPN like MullVad, Tor Browser and have a Browser Like Brave blocking trackers. That's my workflow

What I mean to say, as long as Full Disk Encryption, a Quantum-Reistent VPN provider like MullVad and a Tracker Blocking secure browser like Brave works. I am satisfied for now

Firefox with various extensions won't do it for you?

dh, It would. but Firefox still doesn't have the greatest security features of a chrome based browser like Brave. I mean, I know they have imrpoved a lot lately.

Firefox's Sandboxing is still not top notch compared to Chrome based Browsers

Like I use GrapheneOS in my Pixel mobile. Vanadium is like the most secure browser at the moment. Firefox in Desktop comes nowhere close to its Security

icarious: chromium and firefox sandboxing is about the same on freebsd, i.e. there is none

chromium sandboxes rely on seccomp on linux and would have to use capsicum on freebsd, but don't because it's nearly impossible to maintain and upstream doesn't accept freebsd patches

dstolfa, Ya I know that. I guess I might experient with Running Firefox all jailed in FreeBSD (I need to learn about FreeBSD jails) with Wayland sounds way better

Jailed Firefox + Wayland + Firefox Extentions might just be what I need

Steep learning curve for me ahead afer using Linux since 2003-Current Day

For a jailed browser, I remember playing with this a while ago: vermaden.wordpress.com/2021/12/15/secure-containerized-browser

But the performance was great, at least on my aging hardware

s/was/wasn't/

psychonate, thank you so much. Let me read that

From what I've gathered wayland is still a bit beta even on linux, somehow I doubt experience on FreeBSD will be any better

yeah, if you want to "sandbox" a full browser instance (i.e. not every tab, but the entire browser session) then jails will be acceptable. this might help with some RCEs if the jail is sufficiently stripped down

dh, you are not wrong. But it isn't beta for certain use cases. Like I use SwayWM and Wayland just works for me without X and Xwayland for my workflow just fine. But I do agree it is nowhere near as mature as Xorg for most people.

dstolfa, ya that's what I might end up doing. Using Jailed Firefox and see how it works with Wayland (SwayWM / Gnome) under FreeBSD .. If it does work out, I might use those fancy configs like Arkenfox and that's it

Time for me to get out into whatever sunshine is available heh

Final question. My laptop has 8 GB ram. Is it fine to use ZFS with FreeBSD? I won't use any fancy ZFS features, except snapshots which I rely on with BTRFS on Linux

icarious, good luck with your experimenting!

psychonate, thanks mate. Good talks. Hope to see you soon

Friendly people out here. Very polite. Me likes

Uhoh, running FreeBSD on laptop may be a problematic, make sure you check wiki.freebsd.org/Laptops

dh, I know lol. FreeBSD is not the most Laptop friendly OS. But I do have a somewhat conservative thinkpad from 2021. But thanks for the alert mate

Honestly. I am really getting frustrated with Linux with the path its taking since systemd/ flatpak and most modern stuff. I am not an anti-modernist. But personally I like a more Traditional and Organic Unix-Like system now that I am in my Mid 30's after using Linux since I was a teenager

As much as I love FreeBSD on the desktop and servers, on laptops I run linux

Fedora 1 was my first Linux distribution

dh, I am a Gentoo/ ArchLInux/ Debian fan. But I do hear you. Linux is definitely very very modern and supports like everything. But I guess I want to go back to a more traditional old-school system

As long as I can experiment with Open Source software, basic secure and private browsing, and my workflow which requires just a browser. I am cool with FreeBSD.

Oh yeah, FreeBSD definitely offers that. Some might even call it archaic

Which is a praise these days, really

Haha Archaic. Sure. For more younger people I do feel them. But for me, its my entire childhood. Most Linuxes back then with their sysvinit style bootup and traditional package management gave you that experience. Right now you just have threee choices if you feel Nostalgic. Either shift to FreeBSD, or just use Gentoo with OpenRC or Devuan .. That's it

I mean, I am not falling behind. I do use AI and all of those modern shinanigans. But I really love my workflow/ operating system to be a little Traditional and Organic.

Speaking of LLM/AI-s that's one of the downside I currently experience with FreeBSD - no out of the box CUDA support

Not a huge problem right now since my GPU is quite old (no tensor cores) and my CPU on the other hand quite new and fast

There's also VirtualBox and GPU passthrough too ofcourse

I just use ChatGPT/ Gemini on a browser. But I would love to experiment with DeepSeek, runnin git locally on both Linux / FreeBSD or any other open source LLM/ AI

*running it

I do love how certain Unix-Like/ Linux based Operating Systems/ Projects like FreeBSD, Gentoo, Devuan have still retained most of their Traditional Characters but don't devoid you of having acess to modern Technology.

ollama/llama.cpp work just fine, just that the GPU acceleration part is lacking

Oh. I see. I still think most Open Source AI/ LLMs are in their infancy. But they will catch up soon

Thinking about Locally Self-Hosted Open Source LLM is not a far cry. We have reached a point like in the 80's during the OS/ PC wars where people thought Community Developed Operating Systems and technologies were done for good

What exacly do you mean by "open source LLMs"?

i want some lib to read text for blind users. Anyone knows any ?

LLM

That was a chilly walk.

On this laptop I use Gentoo (because of the wifi chipset) with OpenRC. I have an older laptop that uses FreeBSD with UFS.

I don't mind still using UFS on that old laptop, because it still supports snapshots. Even 'dump' can automatically create the UFS snapshot for me.

But on my slightly newer desktop, definitely ZFS.

hi\

please help

I've got a problem with sdd on 14.2

sddm-greeter crashes

(II) DAEMON: Greeter stopped. SDDM::Auth::HelperExitStatus(6)

sddm-greeter --test-mode reports missing platform Qt plugin...

thanks for any help

psychonate, so many nice features in ZFS, especially if you also use jails

Posterdati, have you installed all prerequisites?

sudo pkg install qt5-core qt5-gui qt5-widgets

yes

slim seems to work

it worked before yesterday

thats what she said

check this in rc.conf

dbus_enable="YES"

hald_enable="YES"

sddm_enable="YES"

yes

what is in /usr/local/etc/sdd.conf

no such file or directory

hmm - I am not a sdd user, but I think that is needed?

unfortunately I use sddm not sdd

yeah sorry sddm.conf

its saturday well after 18.00 :-P

InputMethod=""

lol

yeah

hmm

I think maybe you need to somehow configure the session in this file

with a bit of help from my copilot - an example of what you can put into this

try to add the session part just like this

Session=

maybe it needs to be there

key - no value

the github copilot is scarily clever ..

Hi. I'm trying to get as much correct as I can before an install. In the handbook, it says to be sure to have a fully qualified hostname and uses the example machine3.example.com. Would something like randomhostname.localhost count? Where specifically what I'm referring to is .localhost. I've tried more research but am only coming up with fully

qualified domain name and I don't know if they're the same. Ty!

well, that assumes you have your equipment in a (local) domain. if you do not *.localhost may be all you have

or - sorry isn't it *.local (apple style)?

in any case - you can change this later

BarnabasDK Ty for your reply. It's just a home computer on a local network that would be configured dynamically with dhcp. Idk if that matters or helps. Basically, I'm not understanding what the *.example.com is for, or really, I don't have a domain name like that I can use.

well, I work with computers and such and I have a domain config and dns server for my internal network. I think very few have that

so just give your pc/host a good unique hostname

forget about the domain for now

good day, does anyone here know if the AMD Ryzen V3000 series processors are supported under FreeBSD 14.2?

Okay, I see, as long as it's unique. Thank you so much. I really appreciate your time.

np

unique IP as well ofc

if not issued by dhcp

Okay, ty

labrnth, AMD64 arch?

or is this a cpu/gpu on one chip thing?

BarnabasDK: ya....more specifically I'm looking at the Honeycomb Ryzen V3000

what happens if you try to boot it?

nice hw btw

I haven't purchased this board yet as I'm trying to gauge the hardware support first

ah

thinking of using this for a bhyve host

96 gb of mem .. damn

and service chaining some virtualized network services on it

Re: local LLMs. I compiled ollama with amd64_v2 (AV2 instructions) and it runs some LLMs OK on 8-core CPUs and DDR4 RAM.

including an OpenBSD firewall

your spec list does not say much about the actual chipsets used

ya, just the processor (V3C18I)

I think they have some docs with that info somewhere

say - the I/O controller - what is it actually

it does list FreeBSD 4

sorry FreeBSD 14 as supported with a caveat of the SFP cage

networking is important - it will work with almost any chipset, but only work really well if you avoid some

like realtek

hope I did not insult anyone

unless you are savy with fetching driver code from realtek, and using that in place of what is distributed with freebsd - in any case - alternatives are better

..or at least that is my experience having hardware with realtek nics

looks like the ethernet controled (2.5GbE is a Intel i.226) so well supported I think....Intel chipsets are generally the well supported under BSDs...the other networking options are 10Gb SFP optics which I can choose from

intel - no problem what so ever

intel gets a lot of flac from everywhere, but they are generally the best at making open access hw. And even the drivers too

I specifically chose my current laptop because it had an intel main gpu

ya

not the fastest by any measure

but compability is fantastic

please help sddm stopped to work on freebsd 14.2... Any hints?

Posterdati, I would love to help, but if the above did not solve it I think we need the contents of your relevant log files - not here but in some cutn paste service

sddm-greeter exited on signal 6 (core dumped)

yes that tells us what happened, not why

sddm-greeter complains about a missing qt plugin

what plugin :-)