06:23:27 <quickrr> $ man make    -> mandoc: <stdin>: SYSERR: write: Broken pipe error bsd14?
06:23:50 <quickrr> ^ :q
06:25:28 <quickrr> END q, works, END :q works
06:41:01 <angry_vincent> do anyone getting firefox missing from pkg repo? the default FreeBSD one
06:41:29 <angry_vincent> pkg install firefox
06:41:43 <angry_vincent> pkg: No packages available to install matching 'firefox' have been found in the repositories
06:41:58 <quickrr> firefox-esr?
06:42:04 <angry_vincent> i suspect pkg database is screwed somehow?
06:42:20 <angry_vincent> the same with firefox-esr
06:42:58 <quickrr> pkg update
06:43:07 <angry_vincent> i did that
06:43:48 <quickrr> cat /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf ?
06:44:15 <quickrr> pastebin please
06:47:10 <angry_vincent> https://termbin.com/t33e
06:50:38 <quickrr> sorry no idea, see someone else :)
06:50:51 <angry_vincent> sure
06:51:40 <quickrr> can you just check "man make" "q" error?
06:52:02 <angry_vincent> sorry?
06:53:53 <quickrr> terminal, $ man make, :q (quit) write: Broken pipe?
06:55:58 <angry_vincent> i don't have that
06:56:16 <angry_vincent> i think it is fixed in stable/14 is what i use build from sources
06:58:32 <quickrr> i am just 14.2, was just testing it
07:06:39 <quickrr> hmmm fbsd15 vm works
07:06:54 <quickrr> 15.0 i mean
09:25:32 <holopeinen> Hello
09:37:25 * jgh spots a Nightwish fan
09:45:04 <holopeinen> @jgh, thanks
10:05:43 <nimaje> angry_vincent: did you look for fallouts? https://portsfallout.com/fallout?port=www%2Ffirefox%24
11:21:44 <Ltning> w00t! From 2.5MB/s to ~20MB/s wifi transfers. Thank you bz@, adrian@, the foundation and everyone else involved!
14:17:36 <cracauer> When did the wifi improvements come in?
14:18:26 <Ltning> Yesterday I think
14:18:47 <Ltning> Check the freebsd-wireless mailing list
14:19:35 <cracauer> Cool. Updating now.
14:22:18 * cracauer is cursing the locked-in wifi modules in thinkpads.
14:23:33 <angry_vincent> nimaje: i can't :) because no firefox installed.
14:24:13 <cracauer> jgh: did somebody say Nightwish?
14:24:34 <jgh> :)
14:26:16 <angry_vincent> nimaje: allright, i was able to browse with emacs, thx.
14:26:33 <nimaje> well, the package just failed to build is a more likely explaination, than the pkg repo being somehow broken
14:27:05 <angry_vincent> maybe
14:28:17 <angry_vincent> i was getting a lot of failures due to rust. i do not know whether it is related to recent LLVM_DEFAULT bump to 19. As well as base llvm version is at 19 too
14:29:13 <angry_vincent> rust does build it's own llvm for itself. but maybe some parts of base's llvm are used during compilation.
14:29:33 <angry_vincent> i am trying to figure out
14:29:52 <angry_vincent> it is not that i hate rust but it's being problematic all the time
15:36:09 <angry_vincent> allright, latest pkg repo update has the firefox pkg
16:22:29 <mzar> will it be removed ?
16:27:19 <nimaje> 'it'?
16:27:32 <mzar> firefox pkg
16:28:11 <mzar> https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/update-on-terms-of-use/
16:38:31 <cracauer> I am getting 32 and 42 MB/sec out of today's wifi in -current, without setting any variables. Is that expected? I thought I had to enable the new code.
16:40:15 <mzar> цоол
16:40:20 <mzar> cool
16:52:22 <cracauer> Setting the variables makes sending go up to 44 MB/s, but overall not much change.
19:21:09 <icarious> Hi. Is it possible to use Brave Browser in FreeBSD through any linux-emulation script or FreshPorts? Would be glad to get some advice
19:27:01 <psychonate> Probably. I don't personally use it, but a quick search shows results like: https://github.com/mrclksr/linux-browser-installer. That page has also has a link to a relevant FreeBSD forums post.
19:27:06 <dh> icarious: Have you tried installing linux-brave package and then just run in?
19:29:12 <icarious> dh, I have not. I am a Linux User looking to shift to FreeBSD. Brave Browser is a vital piece of software for me. May be the only hurdle. If I am correct there are two ways to use Brave in FreeBSD. The linux-browser-installer method as psychonate suggested, but the script seems a little unmaintained. And then Freshports. Can I get some documentation how to install the linux-brave package as you mentioned from Fresh Ports?
19:29:50 <icarious> I mean, I just need some basic documentation on how to use any package from Fresh Ports.
19:31:07 <dh> Freshports is just an informative website
19:31:26 <dh> You install packages with pkg, for example in case of linux-brave "pkg install linux-brave"
19:32:02 <icarious> dh, oh ok. Thanks for that. I thought Fresh Ports like some third party ports collection like Gentoo has with overlays or Arch Linux's AUR
19:32:21 <icarious> Ok. Let me install FreeBSD, get Gnome working and see how brave works. I didn't know Brave had an official port now
19:32:44 <icarious> That's wonderful to know
19:33:12 <psychonate> I honestly didn't realize there was a package and port for linux-brave heh
19:33:16 <psychonate> https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/ports/
19:33:37 <icarious> dh, Do I need to configure the linux emulation in FreeBSD before installing linux-brave?
19:33:50 <dh> Probably not
19:33:59 <icarious> psychonate, I know. Even I was confused. I checked the status of brave back in 2023. And linux-browser-installer was all you had back then
19:34:04 <icarious> dh, thanks mate
19:34:29 <icarious> It seems like Tor Browser is supported too
19:34:30 <dh> When installing a package you get bunch of messages related to packages which tell you if you need to do something to make full use of package
19:34:55 <icarious> https://www.freshports.org/www/tor-browser/ like wth. When did this happen lol
19:36:19 <icarious> Damn. I am so done with Linux. I just needed Brave/ Tor Browser/ The Official Mullvad APP to work in freebsd and then switch. Mullvad I might just use their wireguard config files. But I am so glad to know Brave and Tor Browser is ported in FreeBSD
19:36:25 <psychonate> I've been using LibreWolf, which I like, but I can't say that I've done a deep comparison of many different browsers
19:37:01 <psychonate> I have a couple of yubikeys that I use for some sites. I'm curious if that would work alright with linux emulation and some browser therein
19:37:03 <icarious> psychonate, the LibreWolf Firefox config was my last backup trust me. But its good to know Brave is supported
19:37:20 <icarious> psychonate, oh btw, there s Zen Browser now. Which is like the Brave Browser of the Firefox world.
19:37:54 <icarious> https://zen-browser.app/
19:38:26 <icarious> Getting Brave and Zen working would be a massive incentive for privacy loving people
19:40:45 <psychonate> Working hardware security key support, specifically for yubikeys, is a must for me though. That works for me with the native LibreWolf port. I'm not sure how difficult it would be to make that work in the Linux emulation.
19:41:39 <psychonate> These days for MFA on sites, I prefer security key; if I can't do that, then OTP; if I can't do that, then email.
19:41:48 <psychonate> But I'm definitely pushing for the security keys whenever possible.
19:44:10 <icarious> Well. I am very basic Privacy/ Security oriented user. I know FreeBSD doesn't have Secure Boot enabled. As flawed as most modern Secure Boot inplementations are, it would be great to have those shim/ Microsoft Keys signed Secure Boot keys for FreeBSD like some of them Linuxes have. That aside, I just use Full Disk Encryption, Brave and Mullvad. The rest, I have nothing else that FreeBSD cannot provide to me that Linux Does. I am sick and tired of
19:44:11 <icarious> Linux and systemd
19:47:46 <dh> Yubikey works, atleast in conjuction with ssh (not that I use it, but researched it some time ago) .. how well this support translates to other applications I don't know
19:49:50 <psychonate> Yep, I have some older yubikeys that I use on my other FreeBSD laptop and my FreeBSD desktop. Works fine with the browser and in PAM with pam_u2f.
19:50:27 <icarious> I guess I am little out on the loop with this yubikey thing. Need to know more about it.
19:51:34 <psychonate> I mostly followed this: https://gist.github.com/spmzt/9436b30fb93ca6227e7f44769df71e4e
19:52:05 <tsoome> icarious the problem is, just shim and couple keys do not actually provide the security, the way the shim is created is just about playing the good kid and thats it.
19:52:13 <psychonate> It's sort of like having a little smartcard, but it's a USB device
19:52:55 <icarious> Ya I just got the basics through searching. Might read more over the weekend
19:53:22 <icarious> There should be a freebsd-security or freebsd-privacy for us people to get along. Lol
19:53:24 <psychonate> PAM in FreeBSD and linux can use it for MFA
19:53:42 <psychonate> And some websites and other apps
19:54:09 <psychonate> There are other security key manufacturers out there, too, but yubico is the only brand I've personally used
19:55:20 <dh> icarious: #freebsd has such low volume I don't think separate specialized channel is warranted, if that's what you were suggesting
19:55:30 <icarious> dh, ya that's true I guess
19:56:22 <icarious> psychonate, I see. I guess I am very old school local person. I don't have great use of modern "Apps" and Websites with 2FA/ MFA. I just want my local data to be encrypted. And use a strong VPN like MullVad, Tor Browser and have a Browser Like Brave blocking trackers. That's my workflow
19:57:22 <icarious> What I mean to say, as long as Full Disk Encryption, a Quantum-Reistent VPN provider like MullVad and a Tracker Blocking secure browser like Brave works. I am satisfied for now
19:58:13 <dh> Firefox with various extensions won't do it for you?
19:59:13 <icarious> dh, It would. but Firefox still doesn't have the greatest security features of a chrome based browser like Brave. I mean, I know they have imrpoved a lot lately.
19:59:45 <icarious> Firefox's Sandboxing is still not top notch compared to Chrome based Browsers
20:01:06 <icarious> Like I use GrapheneOS in my Pixel mobile. Vanadium is like the most secure browser at the moment. Firefox in Desktop comes nowhere close to its Security
20:01:39 <dstolfa> icarious: chromium and firefox sandboxing is about the same on freebsd, i.e. there is none
20:02:29 <dstolfa> chromium sandboxes rely on seccomp on linux and would have to use capsicum on freebsd, but don't because it's nearly impossible to maintain and upstream doesn't accept freebsd patches
20:03:42 <icarious> dstolfa, Ya I know that. I guess I might experient with Running Firefox all jailed in FreeBSD (I need to learn about FreeBSD jails) with Wayland sounds way better
20:04:31 <icarious> Jailed Firefox + Wayland + Firefox Extentions might just be what I need
20:05:05 <icarious> Steep learning curve for me ahead afer using Linux since 2003-Current Day
20:05:12 <psychonate> For a jailed browser, I remember playing with this a while ago: https://vermaden.wordpress.com/2021/12/15/secure-containerized-browser/
20:05:21 <psychonate> But the performance was great, at least on my aging hardware
20:05:26 <psychonate> s/was/wasn't/
20:05:26 <icarious> psychonate, thank you so much. Let me read that
20:05:42 <dh> From what I've gathered wayland is still a bit beta even on linux, somehow I doubt experience on FreeBSD will be any better
20:05:48 <dstolfa> yeah, if you want to "sandbox" a full browser instance (i.e. not every tab, but the entire browser session) then jails will be acceptable. this might help with some RCEs if the jail is sufficiently stripped down
20:07:25 <icarious> dh, you are not wrong. But it isn't beta for certain use cases. Like I use SwayWM and Wayland just works for me without X and Xwayland for my workflow just fine. But I do agree it is nowhere near as mature as Xorg for most people.
20:08:21 <icarious> dstolfa, ya that's what I might end up doing. Using Jailed Firefox and see how it works with Wayland (SwayWM / Gnome) under FreeBSD .. If it does work out, I might use those fancy configs like Arkenfox and that's it
20:10:05 <psychonate> Time for me to get out into whatever sunshine is available heh
20:10:10 <icarious> Final question. My laptop has 8 GB ram. Is it fine to use ZFS with FreeBSD? I won't use any fancy ZFS features, except snapshots which I rely on with BTRFS on Linux
20:10:13 <psychonate> icarious, good luck with your experimenting!
20:10:23 <icarious> psychonate, thanks mate. Good talks. Hope to see you soon
20:11:48 <icarious> Friendly people out here. Very polite. Me likes
20:12:44 <dh> Uhoh, running FreeBSD on laptop may be a problematic, make sure you check https://wiki.freebsd.org/Laptops
20:13:41 <icarious> dh, I know lol. FreeBSD is not the most Laptop friendly OS. But I do have a somewhat conservative thinkpad from 2021. But thanks for the alert mate
20:14:54 <icarious> Honestly. I am really getting frustrated with Linux with the path its taking since systemd/ flatpak and most modern stuff. I am not an anti-modernist. But personally I like a more Traditional and Organic Unix-Like system now that I am in my Mid 30's after using Linux since I was a teenager
20:15:16 <dh> As much as I love FreeBSD on the desktop and servers, on laptops I run linux
20:15:20 <icarious> Fedora 1 was my first Linux distribution
20:16:05 <icarious> dh, I am a Gentoo/ ArchLInux/ Debian fan. But I do hear you. Linux is definitely very very modern and supports like everything. But I guess I want to go back to a more traditional old-school system
20:17:33 <icarious> As long as I can experiment with Open Source software, basic secure and private browsing, and my workflow which requires just a browser. I am cool with FreeBSD.
20:17:35 <dh> Oh yeah, FreeBSD definitely offers that. Some might even call it archaic
20:18:06 <dh> Which is a praise these days, really
20:18:55 <icarious> Haha Archaic. Sure. For more younger people I do feel them. But for me, its my entire childhood. Most Linuxes back then with their sysvinit style bootup and traditional package management gave you that experience. Right now you just have threee choices if you feel Nostalgic. Either shift to FreeBSD, or just use Gentoo with OpenRC or Devuan .. That's it
20:19:59 <icarious> I mean, I am not falling behind. I do use AI and all of those modern shinanigans. But I really love my workflow/ operating system to be a little Traditional and Organic.
20:21:58 <dh> Speaking of LLM/AI-s that's one of the downside I currently experience with FreeBSD - no out of the box CUDA support
20:22:58 <dh> Not a huge problem right now since my GPU is quite old (no tensor cores) and my CPU on the other hand quite new and fast
20:23:29 <dh> There's also VirtualBox and GPU passthrough too ofcourse
20:23:57 <icarious> I just use ChatGPT/ Gemini on a browser. But I would love to experiment with DeepSeek, runnin git locally on both Linux / FreeBSD or any other open source LLM/ AI
20:24:15 <icarious> *running it
20:25:22 <icarious> I do love how certain Unix-Like/ Linux based Operating Systems/ Projects like FreeBSD, Gentoo, Devuan have still retained most of their Traditional Characters but don't devoid you of having acess to modern Technology.
20:25:29 <dh> ollama/llama.cpp work just fine, just that the GPU acceleration part is lacking
20:26:06 <icarious> Oh. I see. I still think most Open Source AI/ LLMs are in their infancy. But they will catch up soon
20:28:14 <icarious> Thinking about Locally Self-Hosted Open Source LLM is not a far cry. We have reached a point like in the 80's during the OS/ PC wars where people thought Community Developed Operating Systems and technologies were done for good
20:31:23 <dh> What exacly do you mean by "open source LLMs"?
20:34:18 <hernan604> i want some lib to read text for blind users. Anyone knows any ?
20:34:23 <hernan604> LLM
20:36:11 <psychonate> That was a chilly walk.
20:36:48 <psychonate> On this laptop I use Gentoo (because of the wifi chipset) with OpenRC. I have an older laptop that uses FreeBSD with UFS.
20:37:35 <psychonate> I don't mind still using UFS on that old laptop, because it still supports snapshots. Even 'dump' can automatically create the UFS snapshot for me.
20:37:44 <psychonate> But on my slightly newer desktop, definitely ZFS.
21:17:42 <Posterdati> hi\
21:17:45 <Posterdati> please help
21:17:55 <Posterdati> I've got a problem with sdd on 14.2
21:18:18 <Posterdati> sddm-greeter crashes
21:19:06 <Posterdati> (II) DAEMON: Greeter stopped. SDDM::Auth::HelperExitStatus(6)
21:20:30 <Posterdati> sddm-greeter --test-mode reports missing platform Qt plugin...
21:22:22 <Posterdati> thanks for any help
21:32:06 <BarnabasDK> psychonate, so many nice features in ZFS, especially if you also use jails
21:34:52 <BarnabasDK> Posterdati, have you installed all prerequisites?
21:34:56 <BarnabasDK> sudo pkg install qt5-core qt5-gui qt5-widgets
21:36:28 <Posterdati> yes
21:36:38 <Posterdati> slim seems to work
21:36:47 <Posterdati> it worked before yesterday
21:37:12 <BarnabasDK> thats what she said
21:37:27 <BarnabasDK> check this in rc.conf
21:37:29 <BarnabasDK> dbus_enable="YES"
21:37:29 <BarnabasDK> hald_enable="YES"
21:37:29 <BarnabasDK> sddm_enable="YES"
21:37:37 <Posterdati> yes
21:38:31 <BarnabasDK> what is in /usr/local/etc/sdd.conf
21:39:08 <Posterdati> no such file or directory
21:39:39 <BarnabasDK> hmm - I am not a sdd user, but I think that is needed?
21:40:00 <Posterdati> unfortunately I use sddm not sdd
21:40:21 <BarnabasDK> yeah sorry sddm.conf
21:41:02 <BarnabasDK> its saturday well after 18.00 :-P
21:41:04 <Posterdati> InputMethod=""
21:41:11 <Posterdati> lol
21:41:13 <Posterdati> yeah
21:41:19 <BarnabasDK> hmm
21:41:42 <BarnabasDK> I think maybe you need to somehow configure the session in this file
21:44:27 <BarnabasDK> https://gist.github.com/NikolajHansen/4de2854f654baf10f74967abf34d314b
21:44:49 <BarnabasDK> with a bit of help from my copilot - an example of what you can put into this
21:45:06 <BarnabasDK> try to add the session part just like this
21:45:11 <BarnabasDK> Session=
21:45:27 <BarnabasDK> maybe it needs to be there
21:46:15 <BarnabasDK> key - no value
22:03:10 <BarnabasDK> the github copilot is scarily clever ..
22:07:40 <empathy_monster> Hi. I'm trying to get as much correct as I can before an install. In the handbook, it says to be sure to have a fully qualified hostname and uses the example machine3.example.com. Would something like randomhostname.localhost count? Where specifically what I'm referring to is .localhost. I've tried more research but am only coming up with fully
22:07:40 <empathy_monster> qualified domain name and I don't know if they're the same. Ty!
22:12:04 <BarnabasDK> well, that assumes you have your equipment in a (local) domain. if you do not *.localhost may be all you have
22:13:04 <BarnabasDK> or - sorry isn't it *.local (apple style)?
22:13:55 <BarnabasDK> in any case - you can change this later
22:14:57 <empathy_monster> BarnabasDK Ty for your reply. It's just a home computer on a local network that would be configured dynamically with dhcp. Idk if that matters or helps. Basically, I'm not understanding what the *.example.com is for, or really, I don't have a domain name like that I can use.
22:15:53 <BarnabasDK> well, I work with computers and such and I have a domain config and dns server for my internal network. I think very few have that
22:16:22 <BarnabasDK> so just give your pc/host a good unique hostname
22:16:28 <BarnabasDK> forget about the domain for now
22:17:08 <labrnth> good day, does anyone here know if the AMD Ryzen V3000 series processors are supported under FreeBSD 14.2?
22:17:10 <empathy_monster> Okay, I see, as long as it's unique. Thank you so much. I really appreciate your time.
22:17:15 <BarnabasDK> np
22:17:23 <BarnabasDK> unique IP as well ofc
22:17:31 <BarnabasDK> if not issued by dhcp
22:17:38 <empathy_monster> Okay, ty
22:18:28 <BarnabasDK> labrnth, AMD64 arch?
22:19:08 <BarnabasDK> or is this a cpu/gpu on one chip thing?
22:19:23 <labrnth> BarnabasDK: ya....more specifically I'm looking at the Honeycomb Ryzen V3000
22:19:25 <labrnth> https://www.solid-run.com/embedded-networking/ryzen-v3000-cx7-com/#evaluation-board
22:20:28 <BarnabasDK> what happens if you try to boot it?
22:21:07 <BarnabasDK> nice hw btw
22:22:25 <labrnth> I haven't purchased this board yet as I'm trying to gauge the hardware support first
22:22:33 <BarnabasDK> ah
22:22:34 <labrnth> thinking of using this for a bhyve host
22:23:06 <BarnabasDK> 96 gb of mem .. damn
22:23:07 <labrnth> and service chaining some virtualized network services on it
22:23:23 <cracauer> Re: local LLMs. I compiled ollama with amd64_v2 (AV2 instructions) and it runs some LLMs OK on 8-core CPUs and DDR4 RAM.
22:23:28 <labrnth> including an OpenBSD firewall
22:24:27 <BarnabasDK> your spec list does not say much about the actual chipsets used
22:25:32 <labrnth> ya, just the processor (V3C18I)
22:25:43 <labrnth> I think they have some docs with that info somewhere
22:25:43 <BarnabasDK> say - the I/O controller - what is it actually
22:26:05 <labrnth> it does list FreeBSD 4
22:26:31 <labrnth> sorry FreeBSD 14 as supported with a caveat of the SFP cage
22:26:35 <BarnabasDK> networking is important - it will work with almost any chipset, but only work really well if you avoid some
22:26:38 <BarnabasDK> like realtek
22:27:21 <BarnabasDK> hope I did not insult anyone
22:29:22 <BarnabasDK> unless you are savy with fetching driver code from realtek, and using that in place of what is distributed with freebsd - in any case - alternatives are better
22:30:29 <BarnabasDK> ..or at least that is my experience having hardware with realtek nics
22:41:35 <labrnth> looks like the ethernet controled (2.5GbE is a Intel i.226) so well supported I think....Intel chipsets are generally the well supported under BSDs...the other networking options are 10Gb SFP optics which I can choose from
22:41:50 <BarnabasDK> intel - no problem what so ever
22:43:07 <BarnabasDK> intel gets a lot of flac from everywhere, but they are generally the best at making open access hw. And even the drivers too
22:44:21 <BarnabasDK> I specifically chose my current laptop because it had an intel main gpu
22:44:42 <labrnth> ya
22:44:53 <BarnabasDK> not the fastest by any measure
22:45:07 <BarnabasDK> but compability is fantastic
22:46:44 <Posterdati> please help sddm stopped to work on freebsd 14.2... Any hints?
22:48:04 <BarnabasDK> Posterdati, I would love to help, but if the above did not solve it I think we need the contents of your relevant log files - not here but in some cutn paste service
22:49:20 <Posterdati> sddm-greeter exited on signal 6 (core dumped)
22:49:53 <BarnabasDK> yes that tells us what happened, not why
22:51:57 <Posterdati> sddm-greeter complains about a missing qt plugin
23:10:29 <BarnabasDK> what plugin :-)