but yes, graphical installer is not possible under console

so makes sense..

just use the console installer

grahpical installer won't work no matter the method i use? so com1,stdio won't work and also com1,/dev/nmdm0A won't work right?

graphical installer requires some VNC or someething to get graphics

you are connecting over console.. so you will get only console installer, no ?

and debian has a console installer... you can install that, boot, install vnc server and connect over vnc

l00py: are you able to see the debian guest boot ?

i can't run vnc viewer because i don't have wm on host... but ya i could see the debian guest boot with -l com1,stdio

what's the diff between using com1,stdio and com1/dev/nmdm... method?

l00py: not sure whats the difference.. but i think you alraedy got what you wanted ?

you can see it boot, i guess you can also interact with it and install ?

i guess one uses stdio and the other uses /dev/nmdm

l00py: wiki.freebsd.org/bhyve ... it can be accessed several ways including as a nmdm nullmodem terminal or a pty. stdio output can also be sent to a terminal multiplexer like tmux or screen. Example nmdm syntax is:

-s 31,lpc -l com1,stdio Becomes: -s 31,lpc -l com1,nmdm0A

i had to load nmdm and after that i can start with the -l com1,/dev/nmdm0A. i don't have -s 31,lpc tho i gotta look into that

and fwiw i couldn't connect to cu -l /dev/nmdm0B prolly for that reason

in man bhyve examples sometimes lpc is used sometimes it isn't wtf

ok i tried -l com1,/dev/nmdm0A and it runs. then i tried cu -l /dev/nmdm0B but it gave error /var/spool/lock/lCK..nmdm0B no such file or dir. can't open lock file. all ports busy

any clue what im doing wrong?

l00py: nope

l00py: but werent you able to connect to the console ? doesnt that solve your problem ?

no didn't work

i could connect to console but the installer options didn't work with no suitable video mode blah blah :/

guys, I think FreeBSD is broken

we should all be running Linux

i did once

Now that the systemd person is working for Microsoft, we are supposed to be getting BSOD for our Linux -- YAY Team !!!

woooooo!

always wanted my linux machiens to bsod

finally, my dream for the past 30 years will come true

why ms hah

I really wish they would port notepad.exe to linux

really sick of having to run a windows vm to run notepad.exe so I can write code

Why not Microsoft

funnily systemd has some benefits, as well as other poetterings

but it was surprised it replaced stuff

Embrace, Enhance, Extinguish... That has always been in the Microsoft Playbook

that's not the first new init btw

last year or two they have bought over a dozen Game Studios to close them down

i'm happy with ours :p

the old init

yes, systemd is the solution to a problem that never even existed in the 1st place

unsure what i measured my embedded system doing

<1min fully boot up?

my systems take longer than that to even POST lol

let alone boot

not a huge deal when I only reboot them every week or two though

anyway it's a short time

i think my bigger machine that actually inits stuff does 3min reboots

unsure what systemd resolved

idea was good tho

sll good intentions

that's how road to hell is made :p

well "systemd-resolved" -- since you kinda mentioned it by accident. Is real rubbish

^ i agree with this

it sets your /etc/resolve.conf as a symlink, and the file it points to has your machine setup as like 127.0.0.53 or something stupid

and it takes you a bit of reading to even unfuck this mess -- to get something useful in place

hmm

who needs that or why?

and there is a boot loader portion of systemd that someone also though we needed, and its configuration is cryptic at best

resolver is at 127.0.0.53?

so no distro actually even ships with systemd-boot because its useless too

SponiX: that seems to be a common theme, just really weird configuration

there is a container portion of systemd also. And probably a dozen other spin offs of it that I just can't recall

hah

ah yes systemd-machined

isn't it easier to just go v6

instead of trying to rob 127/8

There is more wrong with Linux than just systemd though. That is just one that is overly obvious

fragmentation there is a problem

^

in kernel, it's modules, distribution and more parts

Anyway, I originally started with Slackware Linux in roughly 1995

oooh nice!

my first distro was knoppix ~2000ish

Pat took a lot of inspiration from BSD

i was 12 in 1995

I haven't touched FreeBSD since like 1999 or so. But feel pretty lucky that it has struck true to its roots LOL

it took another few years

SponiX: my first Linux was Slackware too... mind you I had used Unix in the 70's

why you stop touching yourself

i mean fbsd

did

i wonder if my *mandrake* cd-r works

not written by me

minimum 22y old

freesbie did

just going to say, I'm glad that I have a spare machine running FreeBSD to escape from Linux every now and then

hah

first version i installed was 4.6

any of you use a large amount of spinning rust on FreeBSD?

hah, freshports.org/sysutils/freesbie

at least there are tools

No rust drives here.. got rid of my last one 10+ years ago

for like storage you have no option

currently

there's also retention issue

if price and that is no issue, flash is kind

oh, endurance too

s/d$/g/

So, no one else is storing a few hundred terabytes of Linux ISOs ?

anyone is?

well somebody should :p

no fellow data hoarders ?

just some tb here

cute

I have a few little nvme sticks. like 2-4TB or so

put the OS on them

I just added another drive, trying to decide which array to add it to

trying to install debian guest in a bhyve vm. when it checks out the disk it says error fsyncing/closing /dev/sda1: input/output error. anyone know what's up?

the guest vm 'disk' is a virtio-blk truncated flat file on ufs raid 10

fwiw

sounds complicated

l00py wut?

l00py what's the disk size?

l00py also why is it sda? usually it would be vda, because virtio.

ya when it goes to partition it then says vda

no clue on the sda i don't know much about linux

1TB

how can i disable one wireless network adapter

one is linksys cisco usb adpter external

one is internal intel newst wifi 7

newest

with antenta

l00py did the installation finish properly?

how to disable wifi 7 doesnt have drivers and support

antranigv no weirdly it always stalls same place, configuring the package manager, scanning the mirror, 1/3 through progress bar

and doesnt have support for realtek 2.5 family lan

no net

how to run internet without internet

14.2

l00py maybe no network connection?

i can install debian directly to the hardware no prob

that's what i thought but i'm using debian net installer iso in guest vm and it retrieves files just fine it seems. maybe i'll look for a way to confirm

l00py let me know, because it should be a pretty simple process.

k asking in #debian for info

heh

dead channel

What is the configuration of Verizon FIOS where it's dhcp but somehow my internal ip is that of the internet?

is dhcp turned off in your router?

My freebsd computer is connected directly to the verizon fios device

and i had ifconfig_em0="DHCP" in rc.conf and it magically worked

i can't get dns to work with a stock freebsd install

dhcp, local_unbound, no firewall

i can ping router, and on another host on the network i can install drill and test if router ip serves dns queries  properly and it does

i can also ping outside ips

ok heeeres info, i'm getting lots of packetloss from guest vm to internet ips

none to router

and no packetloss to that same ip from vm host

something wrong with my network config?

noticed a little packetloss on vm host so moved cable to another of the 4 ports, no packetloss and also none on guest vm now hmm

do ports start to flake out like that?

termbin.com/qacb anything in that network config that would cause no packetloss on the machine itself, but DOES have packetloss in the bhyve guest running on it?

i run ping 1.1.1.1 forever on host, no packetloss. but i get quite a bit in freebsd guest vm running on it

maybe a 14.2 freebsd networking stack or bhyve regression?

i took lagg0 out of the equation, guest vm still seeing packetloss. host seeing none

you have to fix it

i have duplicate hardware. gonna reinstall to that host and see if its guest gets packetloss too. if so it's a freebsd 14.2 bug

mzar ya working on it but any ideas?

ok ya just put that net config on identical hardware, same thing. packetloss in vm guest (stock freebsd 14.2) but not on host (freebsd 14.2)

im pretty sure 14.2 has bug in net stack or bhyve

mzar you see any flaws in termbin.com/qacb?

 termbin.com/z1tr is command i run bhyve guest vm with btw

Hi, does anyone know if I can do traffic scheduling, similar to SFQ in Linux, on FreeBSD 14.2-RELEASE without compiling a custom kernel?

I tried to enable HFSC and ALTQ in pf but that does not work, seems like it is not in the kernel that ships with 14.2-RELEASE. Or I screwed up the config :-)

thorre: you'll need to use dummynet, as far as i know altq is not in the generic kernel and can't be loaded as a module

ivy: thank you, I'll look in to that

Can anyone think of why I'd be able to ping an IP on my network, but then when I try to ssh to it I'm getting "No route to host"?

_xor: ipv4 or v6?

can you confirm that ssh is actually listening?

Yup, that's the first thing I did.

both are freebsd systems?

...and nevermind, just figured it out (or at least figured out what's causing the issue, though not sure yet why specifically)

Nah, one is macOS (where I'm ssh'ing from). The other is FreeBSD (my desktop).

I use that. It requires adding a "ProxyCommand ..." line to ~/.ssh/config. I commented that out and then it was able to connect.

Still weird though, because I can ssh to other systems (servers) on my network. It's only giving me "No route to host" for my desktop.

The even weirder thing is that my servers are on a different subnet, but my desktop is on the same subnet. You would think that it would be even more straightforward.

osx and freebsd are on the same network in this case?

Yup

then i'd say that assh is broken

Checking right now to make sure subnet is set properly.

Probably.

Apparently it's an issue with golang on macOS...

"LC_UUID not generated by go linker, resulting in failure to access local network on macOS 15"

Yup, lines up with my case too. Causes local network issue.

im pretty sure 14.2 has bug in net stack or bhyve. 14.2 host running a 14.2 bhyve guest. host doesn't have packetloss, guest does. same config on identical hardware, same issue. my networking config termbin.com/qacb and my bhyve command termbin.com/z1tr. took out lagg0, same issue. if i'm wrong tell me where

Alver: Just saw your message above. IPv4. That's the second thing I did, made sure it was using IPv4 via 'ssh -4 ...'

l00py: Why -w?

l00py: why are you running bhyve the hard way

why is your bridge private ?

_xor -w is just from another use that i had that worked fine. i'll try with it removed

rtprio same answer, i'll remove it

packet loss, or just no connectivity?

Another thing I'd try, though I wouldn't expect anything, is e1000 instead of tap (just to see if it changes anything).

i have plenty of guests on lagg bridges, i doubt that's it

packetloss

what's the address of lagg0?

same when using same config on different identical boxes, cable plugged into different nics. rebooting now to try the removed -w and removed bridge private

your bridge looks fucked to me

I doubt it too, but I tend to look at it as something that takes <1m to test and could yield a surprise (though unlikely).

no address on it, address on the bridge

same as in config

yeah, don't do that

Yeah, just looked at the bridge config. Seems odd.

so put address on lagg0, then in bridge, and taps on bridge somehow still get net access?

the bridge shouldn't have an ip

lagg does

taps will find their way to network through bridge through lagg0?

yes,

ok i'll try that next

that's what the bridge does, doofus

i remember when iwas setting this up i was told i could put ip on bridge and it works on other boxes *shrug*

ok well with removing -w and private on bridge the packetloss is gone, even without moving ip from bridge to lagg0

if you're sure it's more proper to put ip on lagg0 instead of bridge i'll move that over

i suppose you can, if you want packetloss

well packetloss is gone now, but i want to do things correctly and you and xor know more than me so i'll move it

was it -w or private on bridge that was causing packetloss you think?

private bridge

You can put IPs on bridges. It's not an issue per se. But if you don't *have* to do it - don't.

what's the case when you have to do it?

and get yourself a grown-up tool to manage bhyve. like vm-bhyve.

i added -w back and packetloss is still gone so ya it's private on bridge

rtprio but isn't it good i learn the basics?

you missed the tidbit about why a private bridge probably isn't what you want

l00py: my hoster routes its entire ipv6 block to a specific address and I really wanted to use vnet jails

ya i use vnet jails too

but not on this box so i'll move the ip to lagg0 like rtprio and xor say

and i'll go through the bhyve command and remove everything one at a time and only add it back if stuff breaks

really slim this config down

and btw tyvm for helping me identify my fuck up

anything else you can see that i'm doing wrong pls?

virt-manager is another option for bhyve vms.

It uses libvirt and supports a bunch of things, including qemu.

i moved ip from bridge0 to lagg0. i then changed ifconfig_bridge0="up" but now i get no route to host. i'd paste termbin link but no route to host :P

that not right?

is virt-manager better than vm-bhyve?

virt-manager is gui and vm-bhyve is cli

i opened virt-manager to test 2 days ago.. couldnt do anything =p i stick to vm-bhyve that does work fine for me

ah i left inet in the ip info. took that out and network is working again

weird thing is, when i try to cat myconfig.txt | nc termbin.com 9999 it returns immediately but i don't get a link back to show you guys. wtf?

needed a reboot i guess

ok is that all proper now?

still can't get dns working in the 14.2 guest vm wtf. i even used ipv4 dhcp. i tried to drill www.freebsd.org 192.168.1.1 from another box on my network and it resolves so i know router forwards queries

i can resolve from host machine just fine too

no firewall

is there still something i'm doing wrong?

on host i have resolvconf -a bridge0 but maybe i need to change that to lagg0 too?

i wouldn't expect so

what's the ip and mask of the vm? how is it assigned?

nothing assigned. just using dhcp

does host need to assign something for it?

no your dhcp server does

ya i'm sure it does, i can ping out

and resolv.conf in the vm is 'correct' ?

I have a drive partitioned into two ext4 filesystems (root, home) and want to install FreeBSD on the root partition. Do I understand correctly that I should reformat the first partition into a "BSD nested partition" kind of thing (not sure what the correct term is) and then create a single UFS partition within that?

ZFS is not appropriate here since it would want to reformat the entire drive, right?

rtprio, during guest 14.2 install i put test.internal as hostname, configure ipv4 yes, use dhcp yes, ipv6 no, search: internal, left dns as router ip autofilled, enable local_unbound, finish and reboot, dns doesn't work. etc/resolv.conf is nameserver 127.0.0.1 \n options edns0

service local_unbound status says it's running

ntpd crapping errors to console that pool doesn't resolve

in /etc/unbound/forward.conf it has name: . and forward-addr: 192.168.1.1

Went forth and did what I wrote above. Could always reinstall later if I find out there's a better way. (New to FreeBSD and just testing things out.)

rtprio that all qualify as "correct"?

taylan: is there a reason why you would want to keep oldskool style of partitions and UFS, rather than doing ZFS?

taylan: although you can use the BSD slicing partition type, you probably shouldn't -- nowadays it's a lot more common to use GPT, as it works better with UEFI and is more interoperable with other systems

It sounds like what you're doing is unnecessarily convoluted for no gain

That ^

taylan: there's no reason not to use ZFS in a single partition, it doesn't have to use the entire disk

(although, for best performance, you may need to manually enable the disk write cache with camcontrol as ZFS won't do that if it doesn't have the entire disk)

Alver: I wanna keep the ext4 home partition.

you can keep it, just delete root and create two (or however many you want) partitions in the empty space

ivy: oh ok, I'm restarting the installer anyway due to an issue so I'll see if I can choose zfs for the single partition (couldn't see how to do that on first try)

(error while extracting lib32.txz. I think the problem is that I enabled both optional 32-bit-compat-library components with and without debug symbols.)

i don't know if the installer supports it odd hand, i've never actually tried to do that

s/odd/off

can anyone confirm I should disable lib32 if I enable lib32-dbg during installation? (reason I want -dbg is I may tinker around with the system itself, not that important actually)

lib32 and lib32-dbg are separate ets, the first includes the actual libraries and the second includes the debug symbols in /usr/lib/debug

s/ets/sets

hmm strange, then I don't know why I got that error above

I am relearning free bsd

been a long time, new setup altogether now i find. same old software

once i find all the repositories i am looking for and i add them so they are there, i should be fine.

i found bsd easier to instll packages from recently, 7 years ago

rather than the last month

"let the keyboard fly..."

mmm the way I see it once the repositories and packages are all installing properly

"let the keyboard fly..."

I want you guys to know that many years ago I was in Japan, I had to hide, so I hid underneath Mexico and I learned Unix for years.

Security is tighter now and I have not seen the old Unix for so many years, the information is irrelevant now. Relearn relearn relearn everything

I do miss the flickering neon fluroescent lights of Japan's alleyways, dodgey as they were. Overcrowded cities back then.

Low Alleyways with scum looking for a robbery all night long

I had to hide

good adventure

any links to repositories for freebsd would be appreciated, posted in chat... my request after my introduction is greater.

When I try to use type "freebsd-zfs" for the partition, it says "invalid argument." I can make the partition a BSD slicing thingy and then create a "freebsd-zfs" inside it, though then it warns that my system can't boot ZFS, perhaps because there's no EFI partition?

I should have copied the contents of /home somewhere and just used the entire disk for FreeBSD...

I am sure i chose not to use ZFS for freebsd to start with

14.2 install dns resolution not working. i put test.internal as hostname, configure ipv4 yes, use dhcp yes, ipv6 no, search: internal, left dns as router ip autofilled, enable local_unbound, finish and reboot, dns doesn't work. etc/resolv.conf is nameserver 127.0.0.1 \n options edns0. in /etc/unbound/forward.conf it has name: . and forward-addr:

192.168.1.1

I have had enough probelms with linux-headers update files, attacking python to shutdown ZFS altogther in linux the previous month.

i steered clear of anything ZFS last week installing freebsd over and over again from scratch

l00py, why no ipv6 ?? you wont get all the websites if you do that

trying to stay simple until basics work

i chose use dhcp , ipv4 ipv6 , ip autofill, enable local_(whatever it is) and then I clicked through the configuration as I left dns as auto-filled and enabled the local_(whatever it is)

I ignored the warning about zfs not being bootable (we will see) and this time had no error related to lib32 even though I chose the same sets to install.

then i rebooted and my system was fresh and the internet was working

taylan: are you using UEFI or BIOS (CSM) boot?

lewi what did you put for search?

on dns screen

try not using the zfs, you can generally install that later

search ?

ya above dns ip

i left it all as auto, whatever the install set it to, most of it was blank

maybe i'll try again and leave it blank!

i just left it, so i could change itlater if necessary

yeah try it

ivy: BIOS... I think? The drive has no other partitions than root and home.

I never got into EFI/GPT. Couldn't bother learning it. I think I explicitly chose MBR back when I formatted this drive initially.

lewi what did you put for hostname? foo or foo.bar?

there is different partitions for different operating systems

i jsut left it, whatever it said

i knew i could change it later

taylan: that means you're using zfsboot(8), which i don't believe can understand BSD partition tables. although try it and see

blank hostname? weird but i'll try it

oh wait

i typed home

i am sure of it

fuck

blank should work if it lets you

yeah l00py , i said that word a few times last week

are you adding a user ? or installing ?

not adding user

is local_unbound generally recommended for a home/testing/dev system?

yeah just leave it as enabled

look at it as the default repositories (in my eyes)

it was not selected by default actually

taylan: i would use it on a system where i don't really trust the resolver, probably not in a home/lab setup unless i had a particular reason to

has to download a few packages from soomething to get you started somehow

what setup are you guys installing to ?

ivy: do I understand correctly that it *won't* use my router's DNS?

doesn't resolve

i'll try once more and put home for hostname

virtual machines ? old PC-Box ? mini-Pc ? raspberry pi ?

this is fucking insane

taylan: i don't remember exactly how local_unbound is set up but i think it configures the usual DNS servers (e.g. from DHCP) as forwarders, so it will use your router's DNS if that's what DHCP provides

yeah l00py, it should work for sure

hmm ok, I'll enable it and see, could always change later

taylan: you can probably change that but in that case i prefer to just install unbound from ports, i find local_unbound a bit odd because of the partially-managed configuration

oh ok, so there's a different one in ports...

dhcp i found was android-phone - USB-tethering, instant internet from b00t of the PC

ok then actually I'll leave it disabled since that was the default setting, let's not overcomplicate my first install lol

i just plugged in my phone via USB and set the connection as USB TETHERING on my android phone and it connected me to the PC, then I reset the PC and I was connected to the internet

taylan: basically the reason local_unbound exists (from what i can work out) is to make the base system capable of validating DNSSEC without having to implement that in libc

well i had to double check the connections menu on the android phone and reconnect it if necessary

yeah, lets you use the crappy freebsd repository that is embedded into the install code

i need the REAL DEAL repository, so "I can let my keyboard fly..."

got any repository links for freebsd guys ?

I watched one my friends hack almost the entire planet with freebsd before.

guy learned BSD since the 90s

just did it

once i get the repositories, i can install all my separate VPN's, then a bnc and a znc... Yes!

fuck dns still doesn't resolve

no matter what i do

local_unbound is a piece of shit

"Let my keyboard fly...."

ikr

good thing I didn't enable it I guess :D

i can't believe this passes QA

a barebones stock install and it doesn't work ffs

bare bones install is where it is all at !

I got mine up and running, using the internet with links-2 and w3m web browsers, searching the Wiki

I jsut need some legit Badass repositories

Hmm, the system won't boot because the installer left GRUB on the disk (which is now dysfunctional as the old root partition doesn't exist anymore). I didn't see an option to install a bootloader in the installer, maybe because I chose manual partitioning.

taylan, GPT

MBR is crum

I am using a qemu virtual machine in linux now and my freebsd install times are quick. few minutes tops now. i can afford to make a mistake and delete the entire virutal machine drive, then make a new one and freshly install it, messing around

im using freebsd host and in bhyve installing debian lol

on my crappy old PC-Box it was slow. easily 30 minutes plus, just to get the ineternet up and running from fresh install

takes longer but we'll see if it works

"Let my keyboard fly..."

i am installing a fresh freebsd now, i have my virtual machine up and running, "Oh Boy" <---Gumby Voice

so i just installed debian in a bhyve guest vm on freebsd host. dns works fine. freebsd dns wouldn't work no matter what. freebsd is a piece of fucking dogshit

what a joke no wonder linux kicked the shit out of freebsd

hi.. I got a jail set up with enforce_statfs=1, allow.mount.fdescfs, and allow.mount.procfs.. but when I go into it, I don't see them mounted. What's the proper way to make sure they're mounted?

i am trying out japan for ftp server. old trusty japan. feels dodge to me. i lived there before

After I left Mexico, I went back to Japan. I was really great at using any computer, i could learn in minutes and fly.

Security went apeshit on the internet around 2005-2010

almost like they used a spaceship to upgrade and run all of it because the planet was starting to rely on the internet 24/7 365 for almost everything

"fetching distribution" nase-dbf.txz & lib32-dbg.txz" slow slow slow right now from Japan ftp

*nase= base.dgb.txz " lol i am typo man

i find there are too many conmen getting around lying about computers, they just stole someone elses files that someone else worked on

not enough people actually work out hwo to do it all themselves

bought myself a backlit keyboard recently, feels great to see the keys again. not that i am perfect at spelling

95% downloaded after 10 minutes, slow slow slow

extracting process has begun 90% progress already

Smokie69

I smoke the pot too much i believe

l00py: have you tried using wireshark on the host to inspect the traffic? if ICMP is working from guest but not DNS, it might become apparent on the wire. especially w/ the freebsd/debian behaviors

i installed the freebsd handbook this time

wow

rebooting

litp nah. debian is working so i'm not bothering with all that

hate to say it but i see why linux won. it used to be the dogshit but roles reversed

l00py, linux is widely used as it was used in the 90s because of its kernel and minimal libs installed for the specific job and application at hand, set by the requirement of the output of the specific-job/work being carried out to begin with

and its gui

everybody used to burn a cd with linux and minimal files installed for boot. all separate for separate applications being used.

engineers dream

a stack of cd's , specifically installed and set up for 1 specific purpose, each. all different

didnt help that IBM started selling redhat in '02

one for graphics, one for electronics, one for coding, one for music etc

then one day, dvd burners came out really cheap for PCss so then operating systems could be installed to a DVD-disc with more libs and more applications installed

but linux is really only meant to have one or 2 pieces of software installed on each operating system with the exact libs installed, for optimal performance

so i got freebsd up and running without any problems at the moment, bare bones install

installing links-2 for web browsing

operational

anyone got any idea how to get my hands on some new freebsd repositories ?

i want more out of freebsd

ther'es only 1

packages

like pkg install foo

there has to be more than 1

i want to do MOAR !

need to work out the list setup so i can only display one page of results at a time, ; "hit key for more"

says there is none like in dos and linux terminal

ls wroks in freebsd as well, but that is crap

i want MOAR !

o_0

i want MOAR options, freebsd looks as though it has no software anymore

i need to code some new gear for freebsd, make it look terrific

but i wont do it

i was not enjoying netbsd either , the other day.

it was low and crum

What software are you lacking, pray tell

i want everything that debian and arch have

feel low and poor with freebsd

Alver: I just miss HP-UX and PA-RISC in general...

i want to "Let my keyboard fly..."

22degrees celcius feels cold where I am, feel like i need to wear a jacket. i am used to the heat.

lewi: again, you'll need to be more specific; freebsd has oodles of software, and I have yet to find things that I have in debian and not here

Tenkawa: HPPA was pretty damn nice. :D

Alver: yeah I was a HP admin back in the 90's.. I miss it

When they switched to Itanium that ruined it

Tenkawa: Itanium was pretty good, at some point. It didn't last more than a few years tho.

I ran HPUX as desktop on a C8000 and zx6000 for a good many years

I used it for about.. (thinking)..

about 6 years

Then we went to Solaris

then AIX

Doh. Well, it's better than nothing, but... :°)

Solaris' clustering was ass, and AIX was good but brain damaged in so many ways

This was between telecom and business companies so they liked those "established" ones...lol

I had used NCR SVR4 but they were kinda falling away by that point...noone was using FreeBSD or even Linux yet

I'm still trying to push more FreeBSD with RISC-V

i checked the freebsd repository and it did not meet my requirements

i will add some other repos later and see if they work.

i will try some from the other distros

i had a laydown, my brain was fried

l00py: shut up

what?

l00py: you dont know how things work.. it not freebsd fault

lol dns couldn't get working in a guest vm. dns

plenty of stuff runs on freebsd.. including even playstation, nintendos, netflixes

installed debian, dns and everything else worked in that same bhyve guest

so you shut up

rude person

l00py: you dont know your way, its not freebsd... but go use linux

ya i remember that attitude from 20 years ago. and enough ppl did leave and go to linux and freebsd almost died

look in the mirror

when i can't get DNS working in a bhyve guest using all stock settings, there's something wrong with freebsd

nice -n 5 HER

it works for everyone but you.. so you clearly dont know how to configure it

'k'

HER: please tone it back a bit...

i dont know everything, but im sure the problem is not freebsd

and that attitude is why linux won

won what?

is there a competition i am not aware of ?

do you guys know what i do in my spare time when i am not relearning unix-based operating systems (over the last 7 years i mean)

have a guess ?

you think i'm happy about this? i've put over 20 years into using freebsd as my primary system

it's actually much worse in linux community, linux won nothing.. but that attitude is bad anyway

i want it to win. it could and should win

win what ?

is there a competition i am not aware of ?

critical mass

critical mass is dumb people

i love deb

ya and your elitism is what causes a death spiral

deb is low and eazy

low-ezee

critical mass want windows... you will never win critical mass to configure stuff via terminal

5 geniuses can't keep an OS going

'k'

l00py: go use linux then...

guess what i have been doing in my spare time ?

unfortunately i have to, and am

i dont care what you do in your spare time :)

and it works like freebsd used to 'just work'. infinite fiddling is now freebsd domain. roles reversed and i'm disgusted to say that

i have been making things out of wood and steel, with springs and they flick stuff out when i push tabs and buttons

Weeeeeee

the racist CoC that was pulled didn't help either. the new CoC is better but i'm afraid it was too little too late

i like things that make a sudden movement, robotical and machinery type things

l00py: i been help you out since yesterday.. told you to use vm-bhyve... and you didnt want to for whatever reason.. and now its freebsd fault you cant get things configured

i use qemu

and i appreciated it, and told you that. that's beside the point

this isn't a bhyve issue. if it was, debian wouldn't be able to work either, but it is

oh bee-hive

nice, i am going to install it

and install x

and get some deb to run in it

So, I've decided to copy my old ext4 home partition's contents to somewhere else, and use the entire drive for ZFS. Couldn't figure out how else to make it work.

there was some females i knew once that said they were from a beehine and tehy were queen bees , they kept getting shoved in a box. i thought it was terrible the way they were treated

l00py: the problem is, people put a lot of effort to create vm-bhyve to make things work a little more "automated" and ease your life... but then you wanted to do it the manual way with plain bhyve... its fine, but expect many bumps that you will need to overcome by chosing the "manual"path. Same for linux, its more polished to just work... which is fine... and same for windows, will work even faster

one day one of them was nice to me and i said "Oh Boy!" in a Gumby Voice

her no that's not the problem. wanting to learn the core tech isn't the problem. i did that with jails and vnet and stuff too

yeah i hate the idea of building my own linux around a kernel

i like to install the latest distro from a review on distrowatch

the packetloss prob was my config fault. i put private on the bridge. but the dns issue isn't my fault. if it was debian wouldn't be working

i used every variation of stock installer options to get *DNS* working on a fresh 14.2 but nada

that's a problem

l00py: you have some wrong setting somewhere... or else the internet as a whole would break

debian working.

what do you have in /etc/resolv.conf ?

some wrong setting somewhere... i used the bsdinstall GUI dude

nothing, i reinstalled debian and it's working

good for you then

yes, yes it is. except i put 20 fucking years into learning the wrong OS

that's bad for me

who cares

i do

freebsd has better tech,  but elitism and other issues caused it to still suck more than linux. that's SAD

l00py: if you cant tell your /etc/resolv.conf by head.. you probbly dont know about it

thats SAD :)

nameserver 127.0.0.1 \n options edns0

14.2 install dns resolution not working. i put test.internal as hostname, configure ipv4 yes, use dhcp yes, ipv6 no, search: internal, left dns as router ip autofilled, enable local_unbound, finish and reboot, dns doesn't work. etc/resolv.conf is nameserver 127.0.0.1 \n options edns0. in /etc/unbound/forward.conf it has name: . and forward-addr:

192.168.1.1

that was my spam

i tried many other variations of bsdinstall

just test as hostname

no hostname

no search on dns screen

you clearly have no idea

'cool'

you know what user onboarding is bro?

you know why freebsd marketshare has withered over the past 20 years shitbag?

"bro just become expert then it will work" -> dead OS

i'm 2000% not happy about the situation, and all along i knew elitist freebsd prick attitude was going to cause this

the smugness

because freebsd WAS better than linux

so it was "want to use my os? suck my dick and kneel and maybe i'll help you"

and enough ppl got put off over to linux it won, freebsd lost

then the freebsd foundation sat around sucking up donation money doing jack shit for years and only recently got into some action

and the racist CoC was retracted etc

sorry, too late

prick smug elitist attitude, money sucking freebsd foundation, and white hating CoC? killed freebsd and probably forever

remember when everyone harped that freebsd was server OS so fuck your desktop questions? now foundation has a laptop initiative?

too little vision, too  late

fucking assholes never wanted to hear criticism

killed the best tech OS that existed

meanwhile linux users use it, and run it, everywhere

deb goodkin should be in prison for fraud and embezzlement

anyway cya i got my shit running

(on debian)

well i am still here

do you guys like commodores ?

i got caught hacking with a commodore 64 (original brown case and keys) and a z80 cartridge

yep

do you guys like commodores ?

i got caught hacking with a commodore 64 (original brown case and keys) and a z80 cartridge

heh

hey HER

do you like commodores ?

hey HER , i sound interesting now , ask me questions

give me some new freebsd repositories

hey HER, i would like some of your freebsd attention please

ok, that's great

ikr

commodore died because it violated an xor patent on a blinking cursor.

Ober, prove it to me some how

Ober, I used to visit the commodore factory where I live sometimes, i had to call because nobody was ever there.

Ober, i rememeber a few things that shut down commodore , i got a list of 10 of them. i promise. all of them are true, one of them was the last straw for Commodore

Ober: xor was just a "small" part of commodore international's mismanagement...

They let too much cascade from bad mgmt choices (including that) and did nothing about it from the history I read... that's even worse...

so docs say `mixer =rec pcm5` should set default device to record on. however it does not work.

errors on no such device twice. despite it showing up in mixer -a

I do have to ask the obvious... is the sink unmuted?

(and any relevant controls)

yes.

That is very odd

mixer rcsrc, mixer +rec pcm5, mixer =rec pcm5 all fail. despite pcm5 clearly showing in mixer -a

think I know the issue

nope

i am still here, i am looking for some repositories to add to my freebsd, no rushing into it here.

what sort of repositories?

got a tug on the line

good

well i was looking at installing a heap of gear for a vpn then bnc and then znc

then maybe installing a x server

starting barebones install so i can learn all of it again

okay, well a good repository for that is github.com/freebsd/freebsd-ports

i want to know the lot before i put freebsd on a server in another country

all of it

i even want pineapple on top

so all the extras please

i got a few nice books too.

so i might do better than people think i would, no one is interested in freebsd anymore

that's not true and everyone here knows it

not the way you and i look at the software, i see potential

i see potential when i use freebsd

i got told to use netbsd and openbsd instead

i see a zsh prompt usually

zsh prompt sounds about where i was a few years ago

do you have a question or are you just waxing poetic?

i had buddy with a znc, once i logged into it, my whole computer had his IP address for the lot. i was running windows 7 back then

so i got back into it, that guy died.

sounds like no

another guy had an ssh for me to use for terminal, i could use his server and ip to do anything on bash

i am jsut writing down the lot for my repositories

ok, perhaps write them not into your irc client

you will see i am a man that "lets the keyboard fly...."

just been a long time and things changed dude. lighten up and be my repository-gangster.

i don't know what you're talking about

youre the best

see

Hi! Is it possible to check the patch level of a jail that is not running? freebsd-version has a -j switch for jails, but is there something like freebsd-version -b /path/to/jail?

Oh, there's /etc/os-release

hi

the problem I had with 14.2 + xorg + xscreensaver was due to missing xf86 intel video missing and old drm version, works with drm 515 and nvidia 390. Thanks for help!

Oh, but /etc/os-release is just a symlink to /var/run/os-release which seems to be generated at boot... hrmmm

sjk: its done from this script: /etc/rc.d/os-release

Howdy, folks!

the freebsd handbook's multimedia chapter is missing a section on troubleshooting my-headset-damn-near-blew-my-ears-out-with-a-feedback-screech

kevans: funny, my experience is always around "the default volume set in mixed (0.75 iirc) is too low"

s/mixed/mixer/