l00py: one option would be to install 'screen', or tmux. Start 'screen'. Type your shell commands. To scroll output buffer, Crtl+A ESC, then PgUp/PgDn to scroll, type 'q' to exit copy mode.

ukky ah great idea ty

btw just got home from work if i got you the X log in about 15 min would you still be willing to look at it?

l00py: yes, I'll be around for another hour.

great time for 1 of the ram sticks to go bad and reboots to be super slow heh

just in case i don't make it by the time you leave will you be here tomorrow?

l00py: post the link when ready. My IRC client will keep logging when I'am away. I will be here tomorrow.

ok tyvm

ok got it

ukky termbin.com/998i

G200eR2 matrox card. booting uefi. dell power edge R720. freebsd 14.2. xf86-video-mga installed

l00py: I've got your log.

ukky ok great ty. and for background info, when i install a GUI linux it works fine. and even here, X and i3 start. but quickly it bogs down to a crawl and dies

l00py: (EE) MGA(0): Need at least 24300 kB video memory at this resolution, bit depth

is bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=270509#c29 related to this issue ya think ukky?

and i don't know what the video mem msg means. i don't have an xorg.conf so if my card doesn't have enough mem why doesn't it just pick a lower rez?

That board has 16MiB of video memory. I do not think the bug you posted is related.

so you think the prob is the lack of video mem?

90% sure

how can ubuntu desktop work fine on it?

and i3 on guix

and why doesn't X just pick a lower rez that needs less video mem?

you can grab Xorg.log from Ubunto and see which resolution X picks up.

ya that's an idea

it might be related to kernel driver (Linux vs FreeBSD).

ok so i got a question, i normally run bhyve vms from within x. i start the bhyve vm, then i start tiger vnc or whatever, and i can get a gui to the vm guest. but if i can't use X from freebsd, how do i run bhyve vm guests? would i still start tiger vnc but from a vt?

You can run X on your video card, but you need custom xorg.conf to lower your resolution.

i have an xorg.conf for it i made but it wasn't starting but i thikn i did something wrong. can i termbin it and show you? it'll take < 5 min

post it

ukky termbin.com/6j5j

i'm not sure if the VGA-0 monitor identifier is right. when i tried to use it iirc it said no screens detected or smth

my monitor is cheap junk (amazon.com/PHILIPS-Adaptive-Replace…Warranty-221V8LB/dp/B0CVM2GJCN?th=1) think maybe that's a problem?

monitor is not a problem. That board has only 16 MiB of video RAM. (1920 x 1080 x 4 x 3) requires 23.7 MiB.

so any way to force my xorg.conf to use a lower rez that'll fit?

like 1024x768 is fine

askubuntu.com/questions/74808/how-do-i-force-a-resolution-of-1024x768 maybe?

please do not set refresh rate and sync frequencies

ok

see the "Supported standard timings" line in the xorg log output? termbin.com/998i

hsize: 1280  vsize 720  refresh: 60  vid: 49281 is lowest rez it seems?

what do you want me to try?

You have to look what EDID reports. But again, do not set any refresh/frequency. Driver should pickup appropriate timings according to your resolution.

1024x768@60Hz is in supported established timings output from my xorg log output

should i try 1024x768?

try 1280x1024x32bpp

k brb

This mode takes less than 16 MiB of video memory

termbin.com/h2hy like that?

not sure where to stick 32 but i assumed it was depth wanna make sure tho before i try

down in "Screen" section

i added the subsection

We should fix 'VGA-0' before you test it

ok how?

i didn't know how to find out the identifiers for the interfaces of my monitor. there's vga and hdmi but i don't know their ID

In section "Screen" add this: Monitor "VGA-0"

ok then try it?

Let's also change depth to 24 (from 32). 24 is enough.

ok brb

k it started but still super laggy. and i tried to type xrandr but when i'd type x 2 x would be in screen

termbin.com/jfai is x log

termbin.com/gddv is xorg.conf

I really came to appreciate freebsd's loader.efi and beadm with all 14.2 upgrade fails the past month. It woulda been a bigger pain to have to deal with booting a usb stick to unmess it...

Thats very well put together and thought out

I'm still learning the basics of bectl

l00py: (EE) MGA(0): [drm] Direct rendering only supported with G200/G400/G450/G550.

l00py: G200eR2 is not G200. G200 is add-on card.

is there a generic driver i could use? or any other ideas?

i hate to admit it works fine on linux butnot freebsd

I am pretty sure DRM on G200eR2 is supported in Linux kernel.

but not freebsd?

I will grep FreeBSD kernel source for that error above.

tyvm

mrelcee: why did you have upgrade fails?

it was puking on settiing up rc.conf. freebsd-update was essentially dumping a non configured / generic rc.conf file with all of the possible settings and seemingly other things botched up because copying a backup copy in still left me with errors.. so it was stuck booting up single user with no networking

after release failed, I gave dug up docs on using pkgbase and it was perfect

l00py: could you try 'modesetting' Xorg driver instead of 'mga'?

ukky any other changes or just that?

Just replace 'mga' with 'modesetting'

brb

ukky: is this useful at all? forums.freebsd.org/threads/matrox-g200er2-on-freebsd-14-0.91307

it doesn't look promising "optimistic"

maybe there was a bad character in the rc.conf or other file that tripped up freebsd-update but lets it boot fine? thats about all I can think of - I honestly havent really examined that further once it was running

by the time i made it there I was pretty sick of sifting through freesd configuration files :)

ukky: it looks like with the mga link at bottom there's a fair bit of discussion

ukky termbin.com/81hy :(

Tenkawa: The link you posted is another option to try, but it requires patching xf86-video-mga

yeah

hm not loading lemme try again

ukky termbin.com/8lhy :(

unfortunately from my research I think that might be the only fix... due to how that driver works

(only a short bit of research though)

ukky are we out of hope my dude?

i'd try the patch idea but that's out of my league

according to my search, FreeBSD kernel does not support G200eR2 (the whole G200e/G200eH/G200eR/G200eW family). And Xorg 'mga' driver does not support G200e* too.

and no generic driver would do it?

I don't think the patch for Xorg 'mga' driver would work, as initialization of G200e* is different from regular G200.

so basically these servers are X less, or X and linux, and that's the choice

If you have extra PCI/PCIe slot, you could by el cheepo nVidia for primary video.

i could but i don't wanna sink any $ into these turdboxes they're so old and slow

If you only remote-connect, you can install xrdp server instead of vnc.

ukky: yeah if there's no subsequent kernel patch to go with it I agree and the only refernce in the entire codebase is this;

./share/misc/pci_vendors: 0534 G200eR2

that's a decent idea

so I agree with you

if i was to pick up a cheapo server video card that fbsd still supports what do you recommend?

it's a dell poweredge r720

with riser card already in it

l00py: do you ssh to it?

no

ah ok

have kvm hooked up to it

I was going to say ssh X11 forwarding works well too

That's how I use all my non-primary mchines

er machines

nVidia NVS 290 was working for me (XRDP + X). I could remote-connect and have X graphics.

and hook up a monitor to it?

I did not start X locally. XRDP server starts X with xrdp X driver (software rendering).

l00py: I hook up the monitor to a faster machine with a better display and do all video via netwok

Its simikar to what ukky is referring to

er similar

i run a bhyve vm guest (freebsd) with xrdp and it works fine

Nod.

i'll keep it in mind, but that's rdp to a bhyve guest, not rdp to a host that's also running bhyve guests lol

ukky really appreciate you taking so much time to help me on this

atleast now i know it's not an option to do freebsd + X for running the vms

Cheers all.. be back tomorrow... l00py good luck..

you are welcome

tyvm Tenkawa

just threw debian on box, i3 runs just fine. fast af, lots of panels open

now i gotta decide how i'll get freebsd under it and run the debian as vms

wew what a day

I found that i915kms module created the problem with standby

this is an hybrid video machine: intel + nvidia

Hi there, I'm looking for a VPS service with FreeBSD support

Any recommendation ?

I have found this one: contabo.com/en/storage-vps Does anyone have experience working with Contabo ?

nerozero: take a look at ircnow

nerozero: vultr

but its possible to install "manually" in other mainstream ones..

^

lowendtalk if you want a good forum to search for some possible options

docs.ircnow.org/vps/vps - $60USD per year / 2GB RAM /20GB SSD <== VS ==> 4cores / 800GB 8.55/month

contabo

linode had freebsd option available in the past.. digital ocean also had it... i have no idea why they removed it.. maybe almost no one used ?? who knows.. but sucks they removed the option

$60 USD for that seems kinda...expensive.

Please don't tell me they used the word "premium" in there somewhere.

Does zstd compression also have that feature of not compressing imcompressible data?

docu only states that about LZ4

Furthermore, the compression list at the end of the article does not list zstd yet. JFYI

does anyone know what the `vmwait` state is? and what it means if every process is stuck in vmwait mode?

jemius: afaik, for zstd, zfs makes a fast test with lz4 to see if it is compressable at all

nimaje, hm. Why with LZ4?

antranigv: my guess would be vm = virtual memory, is your ram and swap nearly full?

don't think so. I have around 1TB of memory available

holy hell...wat

big machines

jemius: afaik, lz4 is really good at detecting uncompressable data and the cases where lz4 can't compress, but zstd could aren't worth much, so a fast fail via lz4 is preferable to using zstd on uncompressable data, even if it means running lz4 in some fast settings for the test and zstd for compression on compressable data

nimaje, interesting, thx

apparently it does even an zstd-1 step in between, if lz4 didn't compress enought and decides then if it should really compress truenas.com/community/threads/game-…ion-that-saves-cpu-and-space.113247

yes, lz4 is fine for ZFS, but zstd is cool for use in pipe with zfs send

Hi, I'm trying to report a bug related to freebsd.org/releases/14.2R/announce in the vagrant section, the image is missing and returns a 404 when using vagrant. I confirmed that it is missing on portal.cloud.hashicorp.com/vagrant/discover/freebsd My question is what product & component should I file the ticket under?

td123: misc is fine, if you reference the PR# that will help

dch: Thanks! opened report at bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=283202 I did find that Spam is an odd name for the component but I guess that's what it is.

hmm not really, spam is a category for marking spam tickets as spam

I will see if I can fix this up

oh, I see, I didn't realize misc was under the base system

dch: thanks for fixing this up

base system / 14.2-RELEASE / misc was what I meant, but my explanation sucked

td123 thanks for the report, the 14-STABLE images go up correctly so this is something that borked just for the release

what's zstd-fast in ZFS compression? A certain mode compressing faster but generating larger output?

I'm not aware of such modes in zstd. Just the compression speed from 1-20

nerozero: i think any provider should support freebsd transparently so long as they allow you to upload your own image. i think there are better options than contabo. if you want i can PM you some options

hello, for some reason every time i login on my freshly installed freebsd machine i get 1000: command not found. any idea in what config does this happen so i can just delete that line?

did you manage to put that into shell *rc?

or you didn't do any of this?

jmnbtsls1E, Thank you so much for paying so much attention to my question. I will appreciate a lot if you share your experience in regards to VPS providers.

OK, PMed you

omg fbsd so good. first i got 4 physical nics aggregated using lagg. then i have a bridge if that joins the lagg0 and a bunch of taps, and now i can run vms and host system networking through bridge that goes out over whatever physical nic has cable plugged in loooool

hi.. I got a jail set up with enforce_statfs=1, allow.mount.fdescfs, and allow.mount.procfs.. but when I go into it, I don't see them mounted. What's the proper way to make sure they're mounted?

i guess i can't use tigervnc-viewer from vt. is there a way to do it? i can't run X on this box so i need somehow

so how do we use bhyve to run guest vms without X, if vnc is needed to get a view of the running guest and configure it for later ssh and stuff?

surely bhyve doesn't require that X or wayland is installed?

I've been looking at the handbook to see how to search through the ports collection on the command line.

I remember years ago there was something like ``make search''

But I can't recall what it was.

How do I search the ports collection on the command line?

l00py: connect to the console: vm console <vm_name>

dansa: find /usr/ports | grep <pkg_name> ?

thats for ports..

but i think you want to search packages: pkg search <pkg_name>

her where is 'vm' command from?

l00py: ah, its from vm-bhyve

you are using plain bhyve ?

ya plain

must be some similar command

ya must be hmm

virtio-console bhyve feature maybe?

HER: there used to be a ``make search'' or something like that. I know about ``pkg search''. I mean /usr/ports specifically. There used to be. Perhaps it's been removed.

dansa: i never seen a make mixed with search

but who knows

l00py: could be..

For how many years have you been using FreeBSD?

l00py: or maybe not

I could be having false memories...

dansa: for 15 years

But I remember using about 20 years ago.

but i dont know everything :)

Do you use the ports for 15 years?

initially yes.. but been on binary only for long time

Then I'd think you would've known.

Perhaps you forgot! :)

dansa: forums.freebsd.org/threads/searching-ports-with-make-search.51790

Nice! Thank you!

dansa: first time i see this =p but i dont see how that is better than find /usr/ports | grep whatever

That's the ports I know. :)

Less typing?

Nicer output.

aha..

➜ ~ make -C /usr/ports search name=^mc

makeThe search target requires INDEX-14. Please run make index or make fetchindex.

bah =p

find just works with anything FS :)

but nice to learn a new thing

:)

Hey... an INDEX is going to make things faster, too.

Okay---I know find works with an index too. :)

But the output is totally superior in make search.

her is that vm console command using com1 stuff internally?

i think that's a serial console?

l00py: dont know

l00py: yes looks like it: vm console name [com1|com2]

l00py: By default this will connect to the first com port specified in the client configuration, which is usually com1. Alternatively you can specify the com port to connect to.

This looks forthe nmdm(4) device associated with the virtual machine,and connects toxictra1h it with cu(1)

l00py: forums.freebsd.org/threads/headless-bhyve.55872/#post-317654

hmm

her and when you run vm console, you attach to the console of the guest vm, right from vt even?

yes

l00py: deciding to install vm-bhyve ? go for it !

if you dont like, just uninstall

no i gotta use bhyve directly so just working through that. looks like -s,virtio-console,/home/l00py/test.sock to start. i'll try that and see if it fails to run

weird. when i started my bhyve command with the old vnc -s 29,fbuf... config it ran fine. but after replacing that line with -s 4,virtio-console,port1=/home/l00py/test.sock it didn't run, it said error opening bootrom /usr/local/share/uefi-firmware/BHYVE_UEFI.fd no such file or di

r

ok installed bhyve-firmware and got that file

deleted .sock. now command runs!!

now i need to figure out how to attach a vt term to that sock

i found originall PR for the virtio-console feature to bhyve reviews.freebsd.org/D7185

i tried what it said, socat - test.sock but then it gave error E unknown device/address "test.sock"

damn

cu maybe ?

ya lemme see bout that

cu -l ...?

i tried cu -l test.sock but didn't work

l00py: did you see this ? forums.freebsd.org/threads/headless-bhyve.55872/#post-317654

do i use that even if i'm using -s 4,virtio-console... ?

l00py: i think you can use that without your option

give it a try

or mix both

so what's test.sock for then?

l00py: dont know, where did it came from ?

i dont see that listed in that link

forums.freebsd.org/threads/headless-bhyve.55872/#post-317654 : The most common way of running bhyve guests "headless" is to use null modem devices.

You attach the serial console of the bhyve guest to a null modem 'A' port using the -l option:

bhyve ... -l com1,/dev/nmdm0A ...

thats pretty clear

try that

it's in the man page for bhyve for the emulator option virtio-console

well, you are on a dead end right now.. try the alternative ? :p

ya hehe

so don't have the -s 4,virtio-console line at all to start?

i was reading that link and there was a link to the handbook and in it it said "-l com1,stdio" so i tried that just for fun and it WORKED except when i selected graphical installer there was an error about unsupported video or smth and it didn't really continue

is that fixed if i do the null modem thing?

l00py: try it

i dont know :)