00:00:06 but yes, graphical installer is not possible under console 00:00:10 so makes sense.. 00:00:15 just use the console installer 00:04:38 grahpical installer won't work no matter the method i use? so com1,stdio won't work and also com1,/dev/nmdm0A won't work right? 00:05:06 graphical installer requires some VNC or someething to get graphics 00:05:26 you are connecting over console.. so you will get only console installer, no ? 00:05:51 and debian has a console installer... you can install that, boot, install vnc server and connect over vnc 00:06:12 l00py: are you able to see the debian guest boot ? 00:06:55 i can't run vnc viewer because i don't have wm on host... but ya i could see the debian guest boot with -l com1,stdio 00:07:16 what's the diff between using com1,stdio and com1/dev/nmdm... method? 00:07:45 l00py: not sure whats the difference.. but i think you alraedy got what you wanted ? 00:08:04 you can see it boot, i guess you can also interact with it and install ? 00:08:53 i guess one uses stdio and the other uses /dev/nmdm 00:10:14 l00py: https://wiki.freebsd.org/bhyve ... it can be accessed several ways including as a nmdm nullmodem terminal or a pty. stdio output can also be sent to a terminal multiplexer like tmux or screen. Example nmdm syntax is: 00:11:26 -s 31,lpc -l com1,stdio Becomes: -s 31,lpc -l com1,nmdm0A 00:13:07 i had to load nmdm and after that i can start with the -l com1,/dev/nmdm0A. i don't have -s 31,lpc tho i gotta look into that 00:13:23 and fwiw i couldn't connect to cu -l /dev/nmdm0B prolly for that reason 00:15:06 in man bhyve examples sometimes lpc is used sometimes it isn't wtf 00:26:48 ok i tried -l com1,/dev/nmdm0A and it runs. then i tried cu -l /dev/nmdm0B but it gave error /var/spool/lock/lCK..nmdm0B no such file or dir. can't open lock file. all ports busy 00:26:53 any clue what im doing wrong? 00:40:24 l00py: nope 00:40:45 l00py: but werent you able to connect to the console ? doesnt that solve your problem ? 00:47:52 no didn't work 00:48:18 i could connect to console but the installer options didn't work with no suitable video mode blah blah :/ 01:48:07 guys, I think FreeBSD is broken 01:48:16 we should all be running Linux 01:49:37 i did once 01:50:27 Now that the systemd person is working for Microsoft, we are supposed to be getting BSOD for our Linux -- YAY Team !!! 01:50:35 woooooo! 01:50:43 always wanted my linux machiens to bsod 01:50:52 finally, my dream for the past 30 years will come true 01:51:10 why ms hah 01:51:28 I really wish they would port notepad.exe to linux 01:51:41 really sick of having to run a windows vm to run notepad.exe so I can write code 01:53:51 Why not Microsoft 01:53:57 funnily systemd has some benefits, as well as other poetterings 01:54:12 but it was surprised it replaced stuff 01:54:37 Embrace, Enhance, Extinguish... That has always been in the Microsoft Playbook 01:54:59 that's not the first new init btw 01:55:04 last year or two they have bought over a dozen Game Studios to close them down 01:55:23 i'm happy with ours :p 01:55:35 the old init 01:55:53 yes, systemd is the solution to a problem that never even existed in the 1st place 01:56:21 unsure what i measured my embedded system doing 01:56:47 <1min fully boot up? 01:57:02 my systems take longer than that to even POST lol 01:57:05 let alone boot 01:57:33 not a huge deal when I only reboot them every week or two though 01:58:47 anyway it's a short time 01:59:31 i think my bigger machine that actually inits stuff does 3min reboots 02:00:21 unsure what systemd resolved 02:00:27 idea was good tho 02:00:33 sll good intentions 02:01:10 that's how road to hell is made :p 02:01:45 well "systemd-resolved" -- since you kinda mentioned it by accident. Is real rubbish 02:02:17 ^ i agree with this 02:02:30 it sets your /etc/resolve.conf as a symlink, and the file it points to has your machine setup as like 127.0.0.53 or something stupid 02:02:49 and it takes you a bit of reading to even unfuck this mess -- to get something useful in place 02:02:59 hmm 02:03:30 who needs that or why? 02:03:51 and there is a boot loader portion of systemd that someone also though we needed, and its configuration is cryptic at best 02:03:53 resolver is at 127.0.0.53? 02:04:26 so no distro actually even ships with systemd-boot because its useless too 02:04:47 SponiX: that seems to be a common theme, just really weird configuration 02:05:09 there is a container portion of systemd also. And probably a dozen other spin offs of it that I just can't recall 02:05:22 https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-schoen-intarea-unicast-127-00.html 02:05:23 hah 02:05:30 ah yes systemd-machined 02:05:39 isn't it easier to just go v6 02:05:53 instead of trying to rob 127/8 02:06:36 There is more wrong with Linux than just systemd though. That is just one that is overly obvious 02:06:55 fragmentation there is a problem 02:07:03 ^ 02:07:38 in kernel, it's modules, distribution and more parts 02:08:23 Anyway, I originally started with Slackware Linux in roughly 1995 02:08:29 oooh nice! 02:08:41 my first distro was knoppix ~2000ish 02:08:45 Pat took a lot of inspiration from BSD 02:08:53 i was 12 in 1995 02:09:29 I haven't touched FreeBSD since like 1999 or so. But feel pretty lucky that it has struck true to its roots LOL 02:09:38 it took another few years 02:10:11 SponiX: my first Linux was Slackware too... mind you I had used Unix in the 70's 02:10:17 why you stop touching yourself 02:10:20 i mean fbsd 02:10:23 did 02:10:55 i wonder if my *mandrake* cd-r works 02:11:37 not written by me 02:12:11 minimum 22y old 02:13:46 freesbie did 02:14:08 just going to say, I'm glad that I have a spare machine running FreeBSD to escape from Linux every now and then 02:14:30 hah 02:14:56 first version i installed was 4.6 02:16:41 any of you use a large amount of spinning rust on FreeBSD? 02:17:27 hah, https://www.freshports.org/sysutils/freesbie/ 02:17:40 at least there are tools 02:18:08 No rust drives here.. got rid of my last one 10+ years ago 02:19:08 for like storage you have no option 02:19:12 currently 02:19:31 there's also retention issue 02:20:09 if price and that is no issue, flash is kind 02:20:14 oh, endurance too 02:20:29 s/d$/g/ 02:21:24 So, no one else is storing a few hundred terabytes of Linux ISOs ? 02:22:30 anyone is? 02:22:36 well somebody should :p 02:26:01 no fellow data hoarders ? 02:27:31 just some tb here 02:29:42 cute 02:30:03 I have a few little nvme sticks. like 2-4TB or so 02:30:08 put the OS on them 02:34:33 I just added another drive, trying to decide which array to add it to 03:53:40 trying to install debian guest in a bhyve vm. when it checks out the disk it says error fsyncing/closing /dev/sda1: input/output error. anyone know what's up? 03:58:04 the guest vm 'disk' is a virtio-blk truncated flat file on ufs raid 10 03:58:08 fwiw 03:59:04 sounds complicated 03:59:59 l00py wut? 04:00:15 l00py what's the disk size? 04:00:39 l00py also why is it sda? usually it would be vda, because virtio. 04:01:11 ya when it goes to partition it then says vda 04:01:19 no clue on the sda i don't know much about linux 04:01:22 1TB 04:01:36 how can i disable one wireless network adapter 04:01:48 one is linksys cisco usb adpter external 04:01:59 one is internal intel newst wifi 7 04:02:03 newest 04:02:08 with antenta 04:02:13 l00py did the installation finish properly? 04:02:20 how to disable wifi 7 doesnt have drivers and support 04:02:50 antranigv no weirdly it always stalls same place, configuring the package manager, scanning the mirror, 1/3 through progress bar 04:02:51 and doesnt have support for realtek 2.5 family lan 04:02:52 no net 04:03:00 how to run internet without internet 04:03:06 14.2 04:03:07 l00py maybe no network connection? 04:03:10 i can install debian directly to the hardware no prob 04:03:31 that's what i thought but i'm using debian net installer iso in guest vm and it retrieves files just fine it seems. maybe i'll look for a way to confirm 04:03:56 l00py let me know, because it should be a pretty simple process. 04:04:21 k asking in #debian for info 04:04:59 heh 04:05:02 dead channel 04:31:24 What is the configuration of Verizon FIOS where it's dhcp but somehow my internal ip is that of the internet? 04:31:46 is dhcp turned off in your router? 04:33:16 My freebsd computer is connected directly to the verizon fios device 04:33:57 and i had ifconfig_em0="DHCP" in rc.conf and it magically worked 04:51:51 i can't get dns to work with a stock freebsd install 04:52:02 dhcp, local_unbound, no firewall 04:52:25 i can ping router, and on another host on the network i can install drill and test if router ip serves dns queries  properly and it does 04:55:21 i can also ping outside ips 04:57:43 ok heeeres info, i'm getting lots of packetloss from guest vm to internet ips 04:57:47 none to router 04:57:57 and no packetloss to that same ip from vm host 04:58:19 something wrong with my network config? 05:01:33 noticed a little packetloss on vm host so moved cable to another of the 4 ports, no packetloss and also none on guest vm now hmm 05:01:41 do ports start to flake out like that? 05:12:22 termbin.com/qacb anything in that network config that would cause no packetloss on the machine itself, but DOES have packetloss in the bhyve guest running on it? 05:12:37 https://termbin.com/qacb 05:13:10 i run ping 1.1.1.1 forever on host, no packetloss. but i get quite a bit in freebsd guest vm running on it 05:18:13 maybe a 14.2 freebsd networking stack or bhyve regression? 05:38:15 i took lagg0 out of the equation, guest vm still seeing packetloss. host seeing none 05:53:24 you have to fix it 06:04:11 i have duplicate hardware. gonna reinstall to that host and see if its guest gets packetloss too. if so it's a freebsd 14.2 bug 06:04:19 mzar ya working on it but any ideas? 06:51:30 ok ya just put that net config on identical hardware, same thing. packetloss in vm guest (stock freebsd 14.2) but not on host (freebsd 14.2) 06:52:04 im pretty sure 14.2 has bug in net stack or bhyve 06:52:21 mzar you see any flaws in https://termbin.com/qacb? 06:59:54  https://termbin.com/z1tr is command i run bhyve guest vm with btw 09:08:37 Hi, does anyone know if I can do traffic scheduling, similar to SFQ in Linux, on FreeBSD 14.2-RELEASE without compiling a custom kernel? 09:10:00 I tried to enable HFSC and ALTQ in pf but that does not work, seems like it is not in the kernel that ships with 14.2-RELEASE. Or I screwed up the config :-) 09:20:35 thorre: you'll need to use dummynet, as far as i know altq is not in the generic kernel and can't be loaded as a module 09:27:48 ivy: thank you, I'll look in to that 09:35:18 <_xor> Can anyone think of why I'd be able to ping an IP on my network, but then when I try to ssh to it I'm getting "No route to host"? 09:36:25 _xor: ipv4 or v6? 09:36:31 can you confirm that ssh is actually listening? 09:37:00 <_xor> Yup, that's the first thing I did. 09:37:26 both are freebsd systems? 09:37:26 <_xor> ...and nevermind, just figured it out (or at least figured out what's causing the issue, though not sure yet why specifically) 09:37:48 <_xor> Nah, one is macOS (where I'm ssh'ing from). The other is FreeBSD (my desktop). 09:38:10 <_xor> https://github.com/moul/assh 09:38:54 <_xor> I use that. It requires adding a "ProxyCommand ..." line to ~/.ssh/config. I commented that out and then it was able to connect. 09:39:16 <_xor> Still weird though, because I can ssh to other systems (servers) on my network. It's only giving me "No route to host" for my desktop. 09:40:12 <_xor> The even weirder thing is that my servers are on a different subnet, but my desktop is on the same subnet. You would think that it would be even more straightforward. 09:40:44 osx and freebsd are on the same network in this case? 09:41:10 <_xor> Yup 09:41:23 then i'd say that assh is broken 09:41:26 <_xor> Checking right now to make sure subnet is set properly. 09:41:35 <_xor> Probably. 09:43:51 <_xor> Apparently it's an issue with golang on macOS... 09:43:53 <_xor> https://github.com/moul/assh/issues/674 09:44:30 <_xor> "LC_UUID not generated by go linker, resulting in failure to access local network on macOS 15" 09:44:55 <_xor> Yup, lines up with my case too. Causes local network issue. 09:46:00 im pretty sure 14.2 has bug in net stack or bhyve. 14.2 host running a 14.2 bhyve guest. host doesn't have packetloss, guest does. same config on identical hardware, same issue. my networking config https://termbin.com/qacb and my bhyve command https://termbin.com/z1tr. took out lagg0, same issue. if i'm wrong tell me where 09:46:07 <_xor> Alver: Just saw your message above. IPv4. That's the second thing I did, made sure it was using IPv4 via 'ssh -4 ...' 09:49:21 <_xor> l00py: Why -w? 09:50:15 l00py: why are you running bhyve the hard way 09:50:43 why is your bridge private ? 09:51:07 _xor -w is just from another use that i had that worked fine. i'll try with it removed 09:51:19 rtprio same answer, i'll remove it 09:52:20 packet loss, or just no connectivity? 09:52:46 <_xor> Another thing I'd try, though I wouldn't expect anything, is e1000 instead of tap (just to see if it changes anything). 09:53:48 i have plenty of guests on lagg bridges, i doubt that's it 09:53:50 packetloss 09:54:26 what's the address of lagg0? 09:54:40 same when using same config on different identical boxes, cable plugged into different nics. rebooting now to try the removed -w and removed bridge private 09:54:51 your bridge looks fucked to me 09:54:53 <_xor> I doubt it too, but I tend to look at it as something that takes <1m to test and could yield a surprise (though unlikely). 09:54:59 no address on it, address on the bridge 09:55:05 same as in config 09:55:06 yeah, don't do that 09:55:10 <_xor> Yeah, just looked at the bridge config. Seems odd. 09:55:47 so put address on lagg0, then in bridge, and taps on bridge somehow still get net access? 09:55:49 the bridge shouldn't have an ip 09:55:56 lagg does 09:56:15 taps will find their way to network through bridge through lagg0? 09:56:23 yes, 09:56:28 ok i'll try that next 09:56:31 that's what the bridge does, doofus 10:01:44 i remember when iwas setting this up i was told i could put ip on bridge and it works on other boxes *shrug* 10:02:03 ok well with removing -w and private on bridge the packetloss is gone, even without moving ip from bridge to lagg0 10:02:27 if you're sure it's more proper to put ip on lagg0 instead of bridge i'll move that over 10:03:21 i suppose you can, if you want packetloss 10:03:47 well packetloss is gone now, but i want to do things correctly and you and xor know more than me so i'll move it 10:04:00 was it -w or private on bridge that was causing packetloss you think? 10:04:34 private bridge 10:05:55 You can put IPs on bridges. It's not an issue per se. But if you don't *have* to do it - don't. 10:06:19 * Alver has IPs on his bridge, because his hoster's setup demands it 10:06:34 what's the case when you have to do it? 10:06:42 and get yourself a grown-up tool to manage bhyve. like vm-bhyve. 10:07:10 i added -w back and packetloss is still gone so ya it's private on bridge 10:07:18 rtprio but isn't it good i learn the basics? 10:07:52 you missed the tidbit about why a private bridge probably isn't what you want 10:08:28 l00py: my hoster routes its entire ipv6 block to a specific address and I really wanted to use vnet jails 10:08:43 ya i use vnet jails too 10:13:20 but not on this box so i'll move the ip to lagg0 like rtprio and xor say 10:13:38 and i'll go through the bhyve command and remove everything one at a time and only add it back if stuff breaks 10:13:44 really slim this config down 10:13:54 and btw tyvm for helping me identify my fuck up 10:14:07 anything else you can see that i'm doing wrong pls? 10:20:07 <_xor> virt-manager is another option for bhyve vms. 10:20:18 <_xor> It uses libvirt and supports a bunch of things, including qemu. 10:26:47 i moved ip from bridge0 to lagg0. i then changed ifconfig_bridge0="up" but now i get no route to host. i'd paste termbin link but no route to host :P 10:26:53 that not right? 10:27:26 is virt-manager better than vm-bhyve? 10:30:47 virt-manager is gui and vm-bhyve is cli 10:31:44 i opened virt-manager to test 2 days ago.. couldnt do anything =p i stick to vm-bhyve that does work fine for me 10:32:05 ah i left inet in the ip info. took that out and network is working again 10:32:26 weird thing is, when i try to cat myconfig.txt | nc termbin.com 9999 it returns immediately but i don't get a link back to show you guys. wtf? 10:40:09 https://termbin.com/ezs4 10:40:13 needed a reboot i guess 10:40:20 ok is that all proper now? 10:46:54 still can't get dns working in the 14.2 guest vm wtf. i even used ipv4 dhcp. i tried to drill www.freebsd.org 192.168.1.1 from another box on my network and it resolves so i know router forwards queries 10:47:10 i can resolve from host machine just fine too 10:47:13 no firewall 10:47:20 is there still something i'm doing wrong? 10:48:41 on host i have resolvconf -a bridge0 but maybe i need to change that to lagg0 too? 10:51:24 i wouldn't expect so 10:51:35 what's the ip and mask of the vm? how is it assigned? 10:51:51 nothing assigned. just using dhcp 10:51:57 does host need to assign something for it? 10:52:07 no your dhcp server does 10:52:20 ya i'm sure it does, i can ping out 10:52:58 and resolv.conf in the vm is 'correct' ? 11:04:53 I have a drive partitioned into two ext4 filesystems (root, home) and want to install FreeBSD on the root partition. Do I understand correctly that I should reformat the first partition into a "BSD nested partition" kind of thing (not sure what the correct term is) and then create a single UFS partition within that? 11:05:06 ZFS is not appropriate here since it would want to reformat the entire drive, right? 11:05:57 rtprio, during guest 14.2 install i put test.internal as hostname, configure ipv4 yes, use dhcp yes, ipv6 no, search: internal, left dns as router ip autofilled, enable local_unbound, finish and reboot, dns doesn't work. etc/resolv.conf is nameserver 127.0.0.1 \n options edns0 11:06:18 service local_unbound status says it's running 11:06:43 ntpd crapping errors to console that pool doesn't resolve 11:08:37 in /etc/unbound/forward.conf it has name: . and forward-addr: 192.168.1.1 11:14:13 Went forth and did what I wrote above. Could always reinstall later if I find out there's a better way. (New to FreeBSD and just testing things out.) 11:16:29 rtprio that all qualify as "correct"? 11:16:55 taylan: is there a reason why you would want to keep oldskool style of partitions and UFS, rather than doing ZFS? 11:17:21 taylan: although you can use the BSD slicing partition type, you probably shouldn't -- nowadays it's a lot more common to use GPT, as it works better with UEFI and is more interoperable with other systems 11:17:22 It sounds like what you're doing is unnecessarily convoluted for no gain 11:17:37 That ^ 11:17:47 taylan: there's no reason not to use ZFS in a single partition, it doesn't have to use the entire disk 11:18:25 (although, for best performance, you may need to manually enable the disk write cache with camcontrol as ZFS won't do that if it doesn't have the entire disk) 11:18:57 Alver: I wanna keep the ext4 home partition. 11:19:22 you can keep it, just delete root and create two (or however many you want) partitions in the empty space 11:19:35 ivy: oh ok, I'm restarting the installer anyway due to an issue so I'll see if I can choose zfs for the single partition (couldn't see how to do that on first try) 11:19:44 (error while extracting lib32.txz. I think the problem is that I enabled both optional 32-bit-compat-library components with and without debug symbols.) 11:19:50 i don't know if the installer supports it odd hand, i've never actually tried to do that 11:19:55 s/odd/off 11:20:54 can anyone confirm I should disable lib32 if I enable lib32-dbg during installation? (reason I want -dbg is I may tinker around with the system itself, not that important actually) 11:21:27 lib32 and lib32-dbg are separate ets, the first includes the actual libraries and the second includes the debug symbols in /usr/lib/debug 11:21:34 s/ets/sets 11:21:42 hmm strange, then I don't know why I got that error above 11:23:45 I am relearning free bsd 11:24:07 been a long time, new setup altogether now i find. same old software 11:24:55 once i find all the repositories i am looking for and i add them so they are there, i should be fine. 11:25:23 i found bsd easier to instll packages from recently, 7 years ago 11:25:34 rather than the last month 11:25:58 "let the keyboard fly..." 11:26:23 mmm the way I see it once the repositories and packages are all installing properly 11:26:25 "let the keyboard fly..." 11:27:14 I want you guys to know that many years ago I was in Japan, I had to hide, so I hid underneath Mexico and I learned Unix for years. 11:27:55 Security is tighter now and I have not seen the old Unix for so many years, the information is irrelevant now. Relearn relearn relearn everything 11:28:42 I do miss the flickering neon fluroescent lights of Japan's alleyways, dodgey as they were. Overcrowded cities back then. 11:29:12 Low Alleyways with scum looking for a robbery all night long 11:29:18 I had to hide 11:29:38 good adventure 11:29:52 any links to repositories for freebsd would be appreciated, posted in chat... my request after my introduction is greater. 11:30:23 When I try to use type "freebsd-zfs" for the partition, it says "invalid argument." I can make the partition a BSD slicing thingy and then create a "freebsd-zfs" inside it, though then it warns that my system can't boot ZFS, perhaps because there's no EFI partition? 11:31:27 I should have copied the contents of /home somewhere and just used the entire disk for FreeBSD... 11:32:36 I am sure i chose not to use ZFS for freebsd to start with 11:32:45 14.2 install dns resolution not working. i put test.internal as hostname, configure ipv4 yes, use dhcp yes, ipv6 no, search: internal, left dns as router ip autofilled, enable local_unbound, finish and reboot, dns doesn't work. etc/resolv.conf is nameserver 127.0.0.1 \n options edns0. in /etc/unbound/forward.conf it has name: . and forward-addr: 11:32:46 192.168.1.1 11:33:20 I have had enough probelms with linux-headers update files, attacking python to shutdown ZFS altogther in linux the previous month. 11:33:44 i steered clear of anything ZFS last week installing freebsd over and over again from scratch 11:34:13 l00py, why no ipv6 ?? you wont get all the websites if you do that 11:34:55 trying to stay simple until basics work 11:36:05 i chose use dhcp , ipv4 ipv6 , ip autofill, enable local_(whatever it is) and then I clicked through the configuration as I left dns as auto-filled and enabled the local_(whatever it is) 11:36:08 I ignored the warning about zfs not being bootable (we will see) and this time had no error related to lib32 even though I chose the same sets to install. 11:36:24 then i rebooted and my system was fresh and the internet was working 11:36:30 taylan: are you using UEFI or BIOS (CSM) boot? 11:36:35 lewi what did you put for search? 11:36:38 on dns screen 11:36:41 try not using the zfs, you can generally install that later 11:36:48 search ? 11:36:57 ya above dns ip 11:37:08 i left it all as auto, whatever the install set it to, most of it was blank 11:37:20 maybe i'll try again and leave it blank! 11:37:23 i just left it, so i could change itlater if necessary 11:37:28 yeah try it 11:38:16 ivy: BIOS... I think? The drive has no other partitions than root and home. 11:38:46 I never got into EFI/GPT. Couldn't bother learning it. I think I explicitly chose MBR back when I formatted this drive initially. 11:39:17 lewi what did you put for hostname? foo or foo.bar? 11:39:21 there is different partitions for different operating systems 11:39:30 i jsut left it, whatever it said 11:39:36 i knew i could change it later 11:39:47 taylan: that means you're using zfsboot(8), which i don't believe can understand BSD partition tables. although try it and see 11:39:55 blank hostname? weird but i'll try it 11:40:20 oh wait 11:40:20 i typed home 11:40:20 i am sure of it 11:40:26 fuck 11:40:29 blank should work if it lets you 11:40:49 yeah l00py , i said that word a few times last week 11:41:02 are you adding a user ? or installing ? 11:41:10 not adding user 11:41:21 is local_unbound generally recommended for a home/testing/dev system? 11:41:37 yeah just leave it as enabled 11:41:53 look at it as the default repositories (in my eyes) 11:41:53 it was not selected by default actually 11:42:01 taylan: i would use it on a system where i don't really trust the resolver, probably not in a home/lab setup unless i had a particular reason to 11:42:04 has to download a few packages from soomething to get you started somehow 11:42:23 what setup are you guys installing to ? 11:42:33 ivy: do I understand correctly that it *won't* use my router's DNS? 11:42:47 doesn't resolve 11:42:54 i'll try once more and put home for hostname 11:42:55 virtual machines ? old PC-Box ? mini-Pc ? raspberry pi ? 11:43:01 this is fucking insane 11:43:06 taylan: i don't remember exactly how local_unbound is set up but i think it configures the usual DNS servers (e.g. from DHCP) as forwarders, so it will use your router's DNS if that's what DHCP provides 11:43:16 yeah l00py, it should work for sure 11:43:34 hmm ok, I'll enable it and see, could always change later 11:43:34 taylan: you can probably change that but in that case i prefer to just install unbound from ports, i find local_unbound a bit odd because of the partially-managed configuration 11:44:18 oh ok, so there's a different one in ports... 11:44:19 dhcp i found was android-phone - USB-tethering, instant internet from b00t of the PC 11:44:43 ok then actually I'll leave it disabled since that was the default setting, let's not overcomplicate my first install lol 11:45:33 i just plugged in my phone via USB and set the connection as USB TETHERING on my android phone and it connected me to the PC, then I reset the PC and I was connected to the internet 11:46:02 taylan: basically the reason local_unbound exists (from what i can work out) is to make the base system capable of validating DNSSEC without having to implement that in libc 11:46:06 well i had to double check the connections menu on the android phone and reconnect it if necessary 11:46:33 yeah, lets you use the crappy freebsd repository that is embedded into the install code 11:46:57 i need the REAL DEAL repository, so "I can let my keyboard fly..." 11:47:10 got any repository links for freebsd guys ? 11:47:43 I watched one my friends hack almost the entire planet with freebsd before. 11:47:49 guy learned BSD since the 90s 11:47:56 just did it 11:48:18 once i get the repositories, i can install all my separate VPN's, then a bnc and a znc... Yes! 11:48:30 fuck dns still doesn't resolve 11:48:33 no matter what i do 11:48:40 local_unbound is a piece of shit 11:48:46 "Let my keyboard fly...." 11:48:50 ikr 11:48:52 good thing I didn't enable it I guess :D 11:48:56 i can't believe this passes QA 11:49:06 a barebones stock install and it doesn't work ffs 11:49:24 bare bones install is where it is all at ! 11:49:54 I got mine up and running, using the internet with links-2 and w3m web browsers, searching the Wiki 11:50:13 I jsut need some legit Badass repositories 11:50:52 Hmm, the system won't boot because the installer left GRUB on the disk (which is now dysfunctional as the old root partition doesn't exist anymore). I didn't see an option to install a bootloader in the installer, maybe because I chose manual partitioning. 11:51:30 taylan, GPT 11:52:01 MBR is crum 11:53:18 I am using a qemu virtual machine in linux now and my freebsd install times are quick. few minutes tops now. i can afford to make a mistake and delete the entire virutal machine drive, then make a new one and freshly install it, messing around 11:53:46 im using freebsd host and in bhyve installing debian lol 11:53:58 on my crappy old PC-Box it was slow. easily 30 minutes plus, just to get the ineternet up and running from fresh install 11:54:01 takes longer but we'll see if it works 11:55:06 "Let my keyboard fly..." 11:57:54 i am installing a fresh freebsd now, i have my virtual machine up and running, "Oh Boy" <---Gumby Voice 11:59:24 so i just installed debian in a bhyve guest vm on freebsd host. dns works fine. freebsd dns wouldn't work no matter what. freebsd is a piece of fucking dogshit 11:59:33 what a joke no wonder linux kicked the shit out of freebsd 12:00:07 hi.. I got a jail set up with enforce_statfs=1, allow.mount.fdescfs, and allow.mount.procfs.. but when I go into it, I don't see them mounted. What's the proper way to make sure they're mounted? 12:01:22 i am trying out japan for ftp server. old trusty japan. feels dodge to me. i lived there before 12:02:35 After I left Mexico, I went back to Japan. I was really great at using any computer, i could learn in minutes and fly. 12:03:00 Security went apeshit on the internet around 2005-2010 12:03:35 almost like they used a spaceship to upgrade and run all of it because the planet was starting to rely on the internet 24/7 365 for almost everything 12:05:47 "fetching distribution" nase-dbf.txz & lib32-dbg.txz" slow slow slow right now from Japan ftp 12:06:13 *nase= base.dgb.txz " lol i am typo man 12:07:43 i find there are too many conmen getting around lying about computers, they just stole someone elses files that someone else worked on 12:07:56 not enough people actually work out hwo to do it all themselves 12:09:21 bought myself a backlit keyboard recently, feels great to see the keys again. not that i am perfect at spelling 12:11:29 95% downloaded after 10 minutes, slow slow slow 12:13:08 extracting process has begun 90% progress already 12:13:20 Smokie69 12:13:39 I smoke the pot too much i believe 12:15:39 l00py: have you tried using wireshark on the host to inspect the traffic? if ICMP is working from guest but not DNS, it might become apparent on the wire. especially w/ the freebsd/debian behaviors 12:17:03 i installed the freebsd handbook this time 12:17:04 wow 12:17:49 rebooting 12:18:44 litp nah. debian is working so i'm not bothering with all that 12:20:02 hate to say it but i see why linux won. it used to be the dogshit but roles reversed 12:21:23 l00py, linux is widely used as it was used in the 90s because of its kernel and minimal libs installed for the specific job and application at hand, set by the requirement of the output of the specific-job/work being carried out to begin with 12:21:32 and its gui 12:22:02 everybody used to burn a cd with linux and minimal files installed for boot. all separate for separate applications being used. 12:22:05 engineers dream 12:22:20 a stack of cd's , specifically installed and set up for 1 specific purpose, each. all different 12:22:27 didnt help that IBM started selling redhat in '02 12:22:32 one for graphics, one for electronics, one for coding, one for music etc 12:23:30 then one day, dvd burners came out really cheap for PCss so then operating systems could be installed to a DVD-disc with more libs and more applications installed 12:24:01 but linux is really only meant to have one or 2 pieces of software installed on each operating system with the exact libs installed, for optimal performance 12:26:26 so i got freebsd up and running without any problems at the moment, bare bones install 12:28:00 installing links-2 for web browsing 12:28:40 operational 12:34:16 anyone got any idea how to get my hands on some new freebsd repositories ? 12:34:21 i want more out of freebsd 12:35:45 ther'es only 1 12:35:49 packages 12:35:53 like pkg install foo 12:39:52 there has to be more than 1 12:39:58 i want to do MOAR ! 12:43:26 need to work out the list setup so i can only display one page of results at a time, ; "hit key for more" 12:44:21 says there is none like in dos and linux terminal 12:44:51 ls wroks in freebsd as well, but that is crap 12:44:57 i want MOAR ! 12:46:21 o_0 12:46:39 i want MOAR options, freebsd looks as though it has no software anymore 12:47:00 i need to code some new gear for freebsd, make it look terrific 12:47:06 but i wont do it 12:49:24 i was not enjoying netbsd either , the other day. 12:49:36 it was low and crum 12:50:50 What software are you lacking, pray tell 12:51:13 * Alver enjoyed the NetBSD pkgsrc on HP-UX, long ago 12:52:30 i want everything that debian and arch have 12:52:39 feel low and poor with freebsd 12:52:49 Alver: I just miss HP-UX and PA-RISC in general... 12:54:33 i want to "Let my keyboard fly..." 12:55:24 22degrees celcius feels cold where I am, feel like i need to wear a jacket. i am used to the heat. 13:01:56 lewi: again, you'll need to be more specific; freebsd has oodles of software, and I have yet to find things that I have in debian and not here 13:02:09 Tenkawa: HPPA was pretty damn nice. :D 13:02:46 Alver: yeah I was a HP admin back in the 90's.. I miss it 13:03:12 When they switched to Itanium that ruined it 13:17:11 Tenkawa: Itanium was pretty good, at some point. It didn't last more than a few years tho. 13:17:30 I ran HPUX as desktop on a C8000 and zx6000 for a good many years 13:18:55 I used it for about.. (thinking).. 13:19:15 about 6 years 13:19:28 Then we went to Solaris 13:19:42 then AIX 13:19:48 Doh. Well, it's better than nothing, but... :°) 13:20:07 Solaris' clustering was ass, and AIX was good but brain damaged in so many ways 13:21:12 This was between telecom and business companies so they liked those "established" ones...lol 13:21:56 I had used NCR SVR4 but they were kinda falling away by that point...noone was using FreeBSD or even Linux yet 13:22:17 I'm still trying to push more FreeBSD with RISC-V 13:33:04 i checked the freebsd repository and it did not meet my requirements 13:33:23 i will add some other repos later and see if they work. 13:33:35 i will try some from the other distros 13:33:44 i had a laydown, my brain was fried 13:35:15 l00py: shut up 13:35:28 what? 13:35:33 l00py: you dont know how things work.. it not freebsd fault 13:35:51 lol dns couldn't get working in a guest vm. dns 13:35:59 plenty of stuff runs on freebsd.. including even playstation, nintendos, netflixes 13:36:06 installed debian, dns and everything else worked in that same bhyve guest 13:36:16 so you shut up 13:36:19 rude person 13:36:22 l00py: you dont know your way, its not freebsd... but go use linux 13:36:44 ya i remember that attitude from 20 years ago. and enough ppl did leave and go to linux and freebsd almost died 13:36:53 look in the mirror 13:37:16 when i can't get DNS working in a bhyve guest using all stock settings, there's something wrong with freebsd 13:37:35 nice -n 5 HER 13:37:46 it works for everyone but you.. so you clearly dont know how to configure it 13:37:52 'k' 13:38:10 HER: please tone it back a bit... 13:38:12 i dont know everything, but im sure the problem is not freebsd 13:38:27 and that attitude is why linux won 13:38:37 won what? 13:38:45 is there a competition i am not aware of ? 13:38:58 do you guys know what i do in my spare time when i am not relearning unix-based operating systems (over the last 7 years i mean) 13:39:02 have a guess ? 13:39:03 you think i'm happy about this? i've put over 20 years into using freebsd as my primary system 13:39:10 it's actually much worse in linux community, linux won nothing.. but that attitude is bad anyway 13:39:11 i want it to win. it could and should win 13:39:16 win what ? 13:39:18 is there a competition i am not aware of ? 13:39:22 critical mass 13:39:30 critical mass is dumb people 13:39:33 i love deb 13:39:43 ya and your elitism is what causes a death spiral 13:39:46 deb is low and eazy 13:39:57 low-ezee 13:39:57 critical mass want windows... you will never win critical mass to configure stuff via terminal 13:39:58 5 geniuses can't keep an OS going 13:40:02 'k' 13:40:10 l00py: go use linux then... 13:40:12 guess what i have been doing in my spare time ? 13:40:14 * crab enjoys 🍿 13:40:20 unfortunately i have to, and am 13:40:29 i dont care what you do in your spare time :) 13:40:40 and it works like freebsd used to 'just work'. infinite fiddling is now freebsd domain. roles reversed and i'm disgusted to say that 13:40:46 i have been making things out of wood and steel, with springs and they flick stuff out when i push tabs and buttons 13:40:56 Weeeeeee 13:41:17 the racist CoC that was pulled didn't help either. the new CoC is better but i'm afraid it was too little too late 13:41:24 i like things that make a sudden movement, robotical and machinery type things 13:41:24 l00py: i been help you out since yesterday.. told you to use vm-bhyve... and you didnt want to for whatever reason.. and now its freebsd fault you cant get things configured 13:41:44 i use qemu 13:41:46 and i appreciated it, and told you that. that's beside the point 13:42:02 this isn't a bhyve issue. if it was, debian wouldn't be able to work either, but it is 13:42:11 oh bee-hive 13:42:21 nice, i am going to install it 13:42:26 and install x 13:42:31 and get some deb to run in it 13:42:45 So, I've decided to copy my old ext4 home partition's contents to somewhere else, and use the entire drive for ZFS. Couldn't figure out how else to make it work. 13:43:28 there was some females i knew once that said they were from a beehine and tehy were queen bees , they kept getting shoved in a box. i thought it was terrible the way they were treated 13:43:36 l00py: the problem is, people put a lot of effort to create vm-bhyve to make things work a little more "automated" and ease your life... but then you wanted to do it the manual way with plain bhyve... its fine, but expect many bumps that you will need to overcome by chosing the "manual"path. Same for linux, its more polished to just work... which is fine... and same for windows, will work even faster 13:43:44 one day one of them was nice to me and i said "Oh Boy!" in a Gumby Voice 13:44:18 her no that's not the problem. wanting to learn the core tech isn't the problem. i did that with jails and vnet and stuff too 13:44:22 yeah i hate the idea of building my own linux around a kernel 13:44:38 i like to install the latest distro from a review on distrowatch 13:45:00 the packetloss prob was my config fault. i put private on the bridge. but the dns issue isn't my fault. if it was debian wouldn't be working 13:45:28 i used every variation of stock installer options to get *DNS* working on a fresh 14.2 but nada 13:45:30 that's a problem 13:45:43 l00py: you have some wrong setting somewhere... or else the internet as a whole would break 13:45:59 debian working. 13:46:16 what do you have in /etc/resolv.conf ? 13:46:17 some wrong setting somewhere... i used the bsdinstall GUI dude 13:46:33 nothing, i reinstalled debian and it's working 13:46:45 good for you then 13:46:58 yes, yes it is. except i put 20 fucking years into learning the wrong OS 13:47:02 that's bad for me 13:47:05 who cares 13:47:11 i do 13:47:58 freebsd has better tech,  but elitism and other issues caused it to still suck more than linux. that's SAD 13:48:10 l00py: if you cant tell your /etc/resolv.conf by head.. you probbly dont know about it 13:49:06 thats SAD :) 13:49:07 nameserver 127.0.0.1 \n options edns0 13:49:39 14.2 install dns resolution not working. i put test.internal as hostname, configure ipv4 yes, use dhcp yes, ipv6 no, search: internal, left dns as router ip autofilled, enable local_unbound, finish and reboot, dns doesn't work. etc/resolv.conf is nameserver 127.0.0.1 \n options edns0. in /etc/unbound/forward.conf it has name: . and forward-addr: 13:49:39 192.168.1.1 13:49:42 that was my spam 13:49:55 i tried many other variations of bsdinstall 13:50:00 just test as hostname 13:50:02 no hostname 13:50:11 no search on dns screen 13:50:13 you clearly have no idea 13:50:19 'cool' 13:50:28 you know what user onboarding is bro? 13:50:44 you know why freebsd marketshare has withered over the past 20 years shitbag? 13:50:58 "bro just become expert then it will work" -> dead OS 13:51:24 i'm 2000% not happy about the situation, and all along i knew elitist freebsd prick attitude was going to cause this 13:51:26 the smugness 13:51:32 because freebsd WAS better than linux 13:52:06 so it was "want to use my os? suck my dick and kneel and maybe i'll help you" 13:52:18 and enough ppl got put off over to linux it won, freebsd lost 13:52:40 then the freebsd foundation sat around sucking up donation money doing jack shit for years and only recently got into some action 13:52:46 and the racist CoC was retracted etc 13:52:48 sorry, too late 13:53:21 prick smug elitist attitude, money sucking freebsd foundation, and white hating CoC? killed freebsd and probably forever 13:53:52 remember when everyone harped that freebsd was server OS so fuck your desktop questions? now foundation has a laptop initiative? 13:53:57 too little vision, too  late 13:54:12 fucking assholes never wanted to hear criticism 13:54:23 killed the best tech OS that existed 13:54:48 meanwhile linux users use it, and run it, everywhere 13:55:19 deb goodkin should be in prison for fraud and embezzlement 13:55:44 anyway cya i got my shit running 13:56:55 (on debian) 14:01:40 well i am still here 14:01:49 do you guys like commodores ? 14:02:26 i got caught hacking with a commodore 64 (original brown case and keys) and a z80 cartridge 14:02:32 yep 14:02:52 do you guys like commodores ? 14:02:56 i got caught hacking with a commodore 64 (original brown case and keys) and a z80 cartridge 14:03:00 heh 14:03:45 hey HER 14:03:52 do you like commodores ? 14:05:49 hey HER , i sound interesting now , ask me questions 14:06:08 give me some new freebsd repositories 14:14:37 hey HER, i would like some of your freebsd attention please 14:34:45 ok, that's great 14:39:46 ikr 16:23:47 commodore died because it violated an xor patent on a blinking cursor. 16:34:17 Ober, prove it to me some how 16:34:38 Ober, I used to visit the commodore factory where I live sometimes, i had to call because nobody was ever there. 16:35:28 Ober, i rememeber a few things that shut down commodore , i got a list of 10 of them. i promise. all of them are true, one of them was the last straw for Commodore 16:45:17 Ober: xor was just a "small" part of commodore international's mismanagement... 16:47:01 They let too much cascade from bad mgmt choices (including that) and did nothing about it from the history I read... that's even worse... 17:53:23 so docs say `mixer =rec pcm5` should set default device to record on. however it does not work. 17:54:42 errors on no such device twice. despite it showing up in mixer -a 17:58:57 I do have to ask the obvious... is the sink unmuted? 17:59:43 (and any relevant controls) 18:02:20 yes. 18:02:34 That is very odd 18:07:52 mixer rcsrc, mixer +rec pcm5, mixer =rec pcm5 all fail. despite pcm5 clearly showing in mixer -a 18:24:38 think I know the issue 18:27:10 nope 19:27:41 i am still here, i am looking for some repositories to add to my freebsd, no rushing into it here. 19:28:32 what sort of repositories? 19:28:46 got a tug on the line 19:28:49 good 19:29:04 well i was looking at installing a heap of gear for a vpn then bnc and then znc 19:29:11 then maybe installing a x server 19:29:24 starting barebones install so i can learn all of it again 19:29:30 okay, well a good repository for that is https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-ports 19:29:38 i want to know the lot before i put freebsd on a server in another country 19:29:50 all of it 19:29:55 i even want pineapple on top 19:30:03 so all the extras please 19:30:13 i got a few nice books too. 19:30:30 so i might do better than people think i would, no one is interested in freebsd anymore 19:30:41 that's not true and everyone here knows it 19:30:46 not the way you and i look at the software, i see potential 19:31:00 i see potential when i use freebsd 19:31:13 i got told to use netbsd and openbsd instead 19:31:13 i see a zsh prompt usually 19:31:39 zsh prompt sounds about where i was a few years ago 19:31:49 do you have a question or are you just waxing poetic? 19:32:03 i had buddy with a znc, once i logged into it, my whole computer had his IP address for the lot. i was running windows 7 back then 19:32:10 so i got back into it, that guy died. 19:32:30 sounds like no 19:32:37 another guy had an ssh for me to use for terminal, i could use his server and ip to do anything on bash 19:32:51 i am jsut writing down the lot for my repositories 19:33:00 ok, perhaps write them not into your irc client 19:33:12 you will see i am a man that "lets the keyboard fly...." 19:33:48 just been a long time and things changed dude. lighten up and be my repository-gangster. 19:34:51 i don't know what you're talking about 19:35:32 youre the best 19:36:08 * lewi holds up Walt Disney's MAGIC MIRROR for rtprio to see his true self inside of. 19:36:12 see 19:49:50 Hi! Is it possible to check the patch level of a jail that is not running? freebsd-version has a -j switch for jails, but is there something like freebsd-version -b /path/to/jail? 19:59:34 Oh, there's /etc/os-release 20:28:30 hi 20:30:07 the problem I had with 14.2 + xorg + xscreensaver was due to missing xf86 intel video missing and old drm version, works with drm 515 and nvidia 390. Thanks for help! 22:44:18 Oh, but /etc/os-release is just a symlink to /var/run/os-release which seems to be generated at boot... hrmmm 23:04:47 sjk: its done from this script: /etc/rc.d/os-release 23:04:56 Howdy, folks! 23:49:23 the freebsd handbook's multimedia chapter is missing a section on troubleshooting my-headset-damn-near-blew-my-ears-out-with-a-feedback-screech 23:51:28 kevans: funny, my experience is always around "the default volume set in mixed (0.75 iirc) is too low" 23:51:42 s/mixed/mixer/