Is it a bug that daemon(8) can't be killed via TERM if set to restart (-r) but never runs a process? Otherwise INT does kill it but doesn't clean up pid files.

er I guess it's not never runs but while it's sleeping to run if -R.

daemon -rR 10 -p pid -P parent false Then pkill -F parent.

Smells like this might be related. bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=277959

Title: 277959 – Refactor of usr.sbin/daemon caused regression in restart parameter

can I uninstall all lib32/32-bit software?

oh, I guess it's already gone. Almost 9GB seems like a lot without that and without X, when I installed it on a virtual private server (VPS) but I didn't get to go through the installation and they may have chosen everything

how to check if lib32/32-bit was installed?

darwin

look for /lib32

% ls /lib

lib/ libexec/

hmm, there is no lib32/

howdy, anyone home?

GoSox, always!

cool, just seeing how active this channel is

thinking about moving my production server over to freebsd

and if i do, i will likely have no end of questions :D

it ebbs and flows based on timezones, but it's usually pretty consistent

ok so just a quick question or two since its bedtime and i don't want to dig deep right now, but

does freebsd use cron or launchd or both?

cron

i don't think anyone's started on porting launchd?

i googled it and came up with an article that said it was included.... but the article was anchient

yeah, and at a quick glance, some have made an effort to port it, but so far that's it

lol i just read something about "nextbsd" having it, and its a link, so i clicked the link, now a website is trying to install malware on my computer. I guess nextbsd isn't a thing anymore

oh well, bedtime

yeah, there's a page on the freebsd wiki that has someinfo

nextbsd?

You mean netbsd?

nope

but it appears to be dead

Ahh it was the branch based on darwin

Cool

Never heard of that

But yeah meh

I don't see the point

nextstep itself was originally a branch of some bsd, wasn't it?

It did have a custom microkernel as osx still does

not originally

I think it's mostly the userland

That's BSD

Yeah I checked the wiki, it's the mach kernel (that's an unrelated development) + 4.3BSD userland originally

yes, tahoe for the userland

I never used nextstep back in the day

It was eyewateringly expensive

ANd there was nearly no software for it

It was really targeted at universities

i've worked in a few places that had some

Oh cool@

At college we had HP-UX and at 2 places I worked too

So I was more familiar with that side of thijngs

I still have some boxes at hokme

they changed the name to openstep at some point, and that's what it was running under when apple bought it

Sorry for the typos

no worries

i'm too drained to capitalize anythign myself

No worries either

I didn't even notice

one site i worked at adjacent to the dev center had a bunch of openstep systems in the offices, and the developer team had betas of transition from openstep to macosx (rhapsody)

Nice!!

There was this russian site where you could find all this ancient unixy stuff

But it's probably down now with everything that's happened

It was way better than archive.org

For this particular niche

so the openstep black boxes booted up as 'nextstep 4' and the rhapsody ones as 'nextstep 5'

So they only ever made 5 steps lol

there was some old version of macos x server that was macos x under the surface but had the classic macos 9 GUI on it. That would have been neat to see

Yes that was rhapsody

Title: Rhapsody (operating system) - Wikipedia

i haven't checked for quite a while, but osx 10 still mentioned nextstep 5 multiple versions after release

in the kernel boot messages

The first one I used was Jaguar

On a clamshell iBook

It also looked like an oversized handbag when carried by the handle lol

I miss that kind of design outlandishness

I was hanging out in a freebsd channel somewhere back when jkh was at apple and he let people ssh into an early osx version for a little bit

wow

After I upgraded to 14-1, I can "su" without a password. How do I fix this?

O.o

al1r4d: taht sounds... bad ?

yes

looks like it was conflicted with "/etc/passwd" and "/etc/master.passwd"

root::0:0::0:0:Charlie &:/root:/bin/sh

is this normal?

i can su without password

passwd: could not lock the passwd file: No such file or directory

weird

i want to change my root password and i got this

is there some env setting for how exiting vim is handled, trying to figure out why on my linux boxes after exiting vim I come back to where I was in the terminal while on my freebsd boxes it exists leaving what was in vim above

vim uses a .vimrc file, and keeps the history in .viminfo

Your other systems may have a system /etc/vimrc or something.

al1r4d: you want to compile vim with the XTERM_SAVE option enabled

al1r4d: You have /etc/passwd, /etc/master.passwd, /etc/pwd.db and /etc/spwd.db all intact?

yes, i have all files you mentioned

babz, not me, but tby

oops

babz: thanks, checked man on that option, exactly what I was looking for instead of messing around with termcap, thanks

al1r4d: How about a /etc/pw.[six-character-alnum-string] ? If something's editing (or was) password data that might be there as a lockfile.

there is only /etc/pw.db, mate tmp_.. :/

Can you run vipw ?

The line you posted looks normalish for the vipw or simlar view, other than the empty password field.

yes i can run

should i post the results in here?

al1r4d: paranoia-check - what does `id` show as the user, you are running su?

# id

uid=0(root) gid=0(wheel) groups=0(wheel),5(operator)

That you run su from? If you're already root, su runs without a password.

so you had to enter a password for `su` if you ran `su` as user root?

ridcully, nope, i have not

tmp_, i know if su runs without a password, but i have not enter a password for `su`

I'm still a little confused. Which id did you use to run `su`?

maybe there is something lost in translation

tmp_: /me 2

oh yeah, sorry

this is

al1r4d: uid==0 -> su will not ask for a password. otherwise it will (broad strokes here, there for sure are exceptions)

uid=1001(alif) gid=1001(alif) groups=1001(alif),0(wheel)

so, i'm on "alif" (regular user), i want to be root, so i need to run "su"..but i did not enter a password to be "root"

i hope you understand my english since is not my native language

No worries.

and we are talking `su` -- not `sudo`

tmp, okay

ridcully, yeah, su, not sudo

Anyway, the line you posted earlier, is that what's in /etc/master.password as is? Or did you redact the pw field?

no, i did not change anything on /etc/master.password.. i just posted and share on here

Hmmm. How about running chpass (as root)? Specifically `chpass root`

let me try

tmp -> paste.ircnow.org/0li7056bw9i78hyjsdef

Who is charlie? O_o

"Charlie is the traditional owner since 1970 of the root account on the UNIX systems. So it has nothing to do with Gnome. I could give you reason why but you seems ready to hurt somebody because of that."

hmm

forums.freebsd.org/threads/who-is-charlie.49834 Today I Learned haha

Title: Solved - Who is Charlie? | The FreeBSD Forums

That's based on when root defaulted to /bin/csh for the shell.

Something of a phonetic reference to it.

Ugh, i dont understand, what do you mean "Something of a phonetic reference to it."?

Organizations using words for letters over voice communications. May use "Charlie" to refer to "C". In this case "Charlie" -> "C-Shell".

Anyway, can you set a password with chpass?

Oh yeah, i understand

Let me try, tmp_

hmm

now i need to enter password after i ran "su"

thank you, tmp_

looks like solved

Yep. Something emptied the password field, so it went with none required.

:)

nice

Looks like "Charlie Root" isn't accurate enough here: "Login: root Name: The Root of All Access"

Where I'm working.

By the way, how to change a mirror? I know repo will detect me to nearest mirror.. but i still getting slow speed

The OS is set /etc/freebsd-update.conf . If you're using binary packages, that's in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf with overrides in /usr/local/etc/pkg/

Documentation in freebsd-update.conf(5) and pkg.conf(5).

as long as it doesn't all end in a Charlie Foxtrot :D

What's bad about that?

I used to fly a plane called charlie foxtrot

Ah wait I think I know what it means

And you lived to tell about it!

Never thought of that lol

Yeah it was a nice little 172

what a refreshing "it just works" simplicity, built new vim from ports with the option I wanted and created my own pkg for use on my boxes, expected at least one headache but got none

that tends to be my attitude on freebsd. *sigh* wow it just works

Hi everyone, I have a question regarding the pkg package manager. If I was in the middle of running pkg update/upgrade, and the SSH connection terminates, my first reaction was to reestablish the connection and run the commands again but now they say that there are no new updates needed, how do I fix this?

Do I need to reinstall the OS and start over?

Shouldn't need to go that far.

`pkg check` will sanity check the installed packages.

tmp_: should I just run 'pkg check -a'?

I'd start with `pkg check -sa`

And pkg check has options to regenerate various details.

tmp_: it says "pkg: Package database is busy while closing!"

Hmmm.

Any sign of the pkg upgrade from the previous session? On the possibility it went for finishing the last task it could before aborting?

tmp_: I seee the evidence in /var/log/messages

other than that, no

Gone from ps, eh?

tmp_ yes

How about `pkg info`?

The list looks okay?

yes i tried pkg upgrade <some 10 random packages> and they're all up to date

but tmp_ according to pkg info, i know for a fact most of those packages are not in fact up to date

distrowatch proves it

Hmm. As the `pkg check` was pretty early in this, have you checked again after verifying no pkg showed up in ps?

you're probably on the quarterly repo and checking against latest.

isley: Ooh, point.

isley: I ran "pkg check -Bdr", and have the same issue still.

I vaguely remember there are no official torrents any longer. Dunno about people downloading it and making a torrent seed of it.

I usually get them from wiki.freebsd.org/Torrents

And then seed them until a new release.

*nod*

Hi, I am trying to sync my clock. I set my timezone to EST, it asks if EDT is okay (daylights savings?), said yes, but the clock still shows 20:00, when it should be 17:00 right now. ntpd is active.

beastwick: you can set timezone with tzsetup(8), prepending "iburst" to servers configured in ntp.conf as upstream will expedite synchronisation, but with ntpdate(8) you can synchronize even faster

beastwick: is your hwclock set correctly despite the tz being correct? If not, `ntpdate pool.ntp.org` can synchronize it

klamaonos that helped

fixed it

nice. And just as I suggested it I noticed my own clock was off lol. I hear that from a security perspective, ntpdate isn't the best choice, despite doing the job well. I wonder what's the more secure alternative?

ntpd with keys

ok time to do some reading for me

have a nice reading klamaonos !

Looks like the alternative is: /etc/init.d/ntp ntptimeset

GoSox: we use vixie cron, but there's other implementations available in ports.