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hello. i'm looking at getting a laptop that has a touchscreen...wondering if anyone here use one with freebsd 15 and what how well it works? which DE and x11 or wayland?

GNOME is considered touch friendly

Wayland by default these days

rtprio: yeah heh

mexen: that would be great if there was a phone to run gnome with :)

apple's net worth must have gone up like $500M during the "touch screen era" when win8 came out. it was like the touch screen equivalent of the ai bubble

they didn't bite on the hype for their laptops/desktops

$500M would still have been < 1% of their market cap at that point

sorry

meant 500B

i had to add -hwaccel cuda to the script. seems like jellyfin for fbsd doesn't honor the nvdec for transcoding settings

it doesn't set the hwaccel flag

i didn't realize how spoiled i've become with my intel a310 on the proxmox server

alrighty then. i guess jellyfin can survive a reboot. i really do wish i found a way to get rclone mounting in the jail fstab to work without using @reboot in cron to do it... that's another pretty ugly way to do it

Macer: so how fast can it transcode now

o/

.o/

rtprio: For hevc the P400 can go about 4x for 4K.

I wish FreeBSD could do all this natively.

Using a libc6 shim doesn’t seem practical. Feels a bit shoehorn.

I have run Linux for years now but I knew to freebsd .  Linux chat rooms seem to be about a lot of fix stuff .  What kind of stuff do you all run into a lot?

We're always try to break stuff, but it just won't :-)

tarel2: The biggest issue with all the BSD's is that so many open source backends are made in a way that they're either broken under the BSD's, or just outright won't compile.

So I often end up making my own alternatives for software I need to use.

that is interesting

I have used Linux for about 18 years  now and using freebsd has been a lot different and I mean that

It seem like people are making an os

Especially stuff that are made in Node.js outright won't compile/run.

like what?

Well yes, FreeBSD isn't Linux. Linux was written from scratch to be similar to Unix, whereas FreeBSD is forked from BSD, which in of itself is a derivative that goes back all the way to the original Unix itself.

I know that is the history but that does not mean its like the Unix of the past.   It can be but I'm just saying stuff can change

"like what?" Pretty much all of the 2D game-like collaboration ones (like gather.town, but open source ones), Misskey too. I've seen it in other software as well. Nextcloud does run, but it's instable as all fuck, and Mattermost does run, but only the basic features. Pretty much all plugins won't work.

I don't game but on ps4 and my VR headset

Stuff can indeed change, but I've seen that the BSD's tend to be very proud of being a Unix derivative, so they tend to be a lot more conservative in that regard. Linux on the other hand keeps re-inventing itself.

Yes it does seem like that

The funny thing is I don't every see Linux users say that kind of stuff

I have been so made at it being hard ,  that I have screamed

I thought , I just did not know enough.

Not sure what you mean.

What I mean is this ,  you seem to fight the system because people don't seem to make it easy to use

They try to make it easier to use, but then ironically only end up making things harder to use.

its funny to me ,  using Gentoo the hardest system you would think to use , is so well documented you feel like you failed it

1. "We share static binaries around without issues." 2. "Hey, we should prohibit static linking, or make it as difficult as possible to do so." 3. "Why is it such a pain in the ass to distribute Linux software!?" 4. "Hey, we should ship software in Docker containers!" 5. "How the fuck does this container shit even work!?"

easier for *who* to use, though? What you see as easy and I do may be completely different.

To me is seems easy for those who make the software

sure

and if someone wrote that particular software to scratch an itch, then that's expected.

I have tried my hand a bit at making software too. so I'm not just a user , bitching .   I know assembly is not normal ,but I have made some normal apps with it too

The itch thing seem to be a big part people don't talk about in a bad way

I actually enjoy writing programs in Assembly on FreeBSD.

Its all I know

I learned  64 bit arm , and thumb 2 for my micro controller the pico

I learned x64 Assembly on the very server I'm writing from.

cool

I learned it for the pi 400

when you want to fall into the rabbit hole and never come out

Mind you , I knew no code before this

I haven't written x86 (and descendants) software in a long time. Arm is fun, though, it's very similar to 680x0 and PDP-11 (which is showing my age, I suppose)

I feel odd sometimes , learning assembly

its so unlike , C or anything else

menuet goes back to the x86 days, doesn't it? Weren't there pre 32-bit releases, or was that another product?

Assembly is fun, you learn (and have to learn!) how the machine really works

I know some AArch64 from optimizing Switch games with inline Assembly.

The fact I  now understand , 32 bit , what that even means makes me feel odd.

You mean the Nintendo switch games

And also AArch32 through inline Assembly on the Nintendo 3DS.

Is there a way to determine how ZFS spends its CPU? Trying to find out if it's more busy compressing or encrypting, and if there's a way to speed either up

I know openzfs 2.someting has (much) faster AES-GCM on AVX2; did that make it into 15?

remiliascarlet ,  I have even see the assembly for super mario brothers .  Really gotten into retro coding , I guess is what you would call it

Hello

I hate being

watching this stream too, luna_

what causes state-insert (failures) in the output of pfctl -si? (state-insert state insertion failure)

kerneldove_: you've been asking that for a week

true

remiliascarlet, I find your view on bsd not really accurate. I agree on Mattermost being a mostly Linux thingemy, but Nextcloud has been running here for years, rock stable. And most applications work like they should, however I don't use my Freebsd as a desktop (for that I use Mint). But as a server platform it has proven its worthyness many years ago.

I was about to ask if nextcloud is unstable as I was thinking about running it on FreeBSD in the near future :-D

luna_: what are your thoughts on the talk? I wonder what the likelihood for becoming root in the jail is to exploit these things.

I wouldn't call nextcloud stable or a good solution tbh

I think it attracts those who are into services like google photos

"normies" so to speak

but I do not think it is a good, scable solution for anything other than someones hobby homelab

its slow and resource intensive

polarian: well I'm looking for something self-hosted I can provide my friends who will access it via cellphone apps.

Liaf: for storage?

if its just for photos and videos, you might want to checkout immich.app

no clue how well it runs on BSD but I heard a lot of Linux folks talking about it recently

polarian: for files and collaborative editing of e.g. markdown files.

nextcloud is leaning towards docker too afaik. at least they want you to install a docker proxy for exapps

it's not bad though. i use it quite a bit and haven't had many issues with it.

afterglow: nextcloud is extremely stable, provided you don't need to upgrade it

rtprio, upgraded lots of times, never had any issues

Liaf, Nextcloud is perfect for that.

not the experience i had. every plugin caused issues for me

there are no issues, you can run and upgrade Nextcloud on FreeBSD

this is going to sound weird, but if not for .hushlogin and login.conf is there any other things that would prevent the motd from displaying

nextcloud from ports, when upgrading 'php occ upgrade' takes care of everything. And it has been stable since I moved from owncloud to nextcloud many years ago

rtprio: if over ssh, PrintMotd option in sshd_config

cyric: thanks, i'm certain that's it

I have migrated from owncloud to nextcloud, and it works since, only PHP and web serwer is from ports, I upgrade each time by downloading, extracting and 'php occ upgrade' maunally, works fine for several hundres of users (really about 100 are active)

my point is that freebsd is extremely suitable to run all kinds of (server) software. I've been operating several websites based on wordpress, drupal, typo3 with specialed software like webtrees, admidio, nextcloud, glpi, laravel, with both nginx and apache, and my mailserver based on postfix, dovecot, amavis, clamd, and simultanious running mysql, postgresl, redis and mongodb, a radius server,

and on top of that vaultwarden, and even occasionally a mincraft server for my daughter.

*minecraft

cyric: i remember why i disabled it before. braindead linux uses pam_motd and then shows it two times

afterglow: would you recommend installing nextcloud from packages or rather running it as a container?

nextcloud has a number of dependencies and things and I usually put it in a jail/container

I'm still figuring out if I want to run it directly vs. in a jail vs. with podman. Unsure what makes the most sense to me.

I run it in a jail

But it can happily run next to other websites

I would advice you to run it as nextcloud.yourdomain.tld, instead of www.yourdomain.tld/nextcloud, btw. That makes things easier in any case

same could be said with the majority of apps these days

Macer: freebsd now supports docker (and OSI containers)

OCI*

Liaf: you wont be able to edit files collaboratively such as markdown files with nextcloud afaik

Introducing the OSI container layer

you can integrate onlyoffice

vkarlsen: xD

polarian: I will look into it. Just need something I can give non-tech friends without any issues :-)

How does approval for Ports change requests work? I am following these: bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=291349 and bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=284949

someone proposes a patch, then the maintainer should react to that patch, if it gets approved then a commiter can commit it to the ports tree and if the maintainer doesn't react for two weeks then it is considered approved by maintainer timeout (tracked via maintainer-feedback flag)

nimaje thanks, that is useful info. So it looks like those two tickets are considered to be approved?

Ah yes I see the tag now.

So some committer will likely come along and merge it? Or do I need to reach out to a committer?