i just reproduced the FreeBSD_version=0 problem on a different system

crest: i remember SCSI scanners being extremely popular, i bet you could pick one up on ebay if you really wanted to test it :-)

lw: i could just ask my father to for one the next time i see him. I'm sure he has at least one stuffed away in the basement or attic

but implementing some form of Ethernet or IP over (i)SCSI would be a nice PoC to scare people with a high bandwidth side channel

i'm sure quite a few people overlooked that scsi is more than just passive block storage in their treat model

we already have IP over FC, so IP over parallel SCSI / SAS isn't much of a stretch

i used to have an external 10Mbps ethernet adapter for powerbook 180c as a kid

and I've seen someone use an external scsi video card once

in theory you can do a lot with scsi if you have the pain tolerance for it

you know, i have a couple of spare FC HBAs here, one day i should sit down and write IPoFC driver for freebsd. how hard could it be...

famous last words

i used to run ethernet over firewire to a system with only 100Mbps ethernet but 400Mbps firewire ports

afaik freebsd still has if_fwe(4) and if_fwip(4) drivers to this day

possibly not for much longer, i think the entire firewire support is on imp's hit list

which is a shame, i never used it but it seemed like a nice interface

sure beeing able to daisychain up to three external 3.5" hdds from a single port (if you had a 28-30V power rail for it) was nice at the time

btw is there a sane way to do the same ip or ethernet encapsulation via thunderbolt between two hosts (without a pair of thunderbolt nics and a crossover cable)?

without reliving all the horrors of unchecked physical DMA from the firewire days

but back to something less esoteric

the check against the FreeBSD_version annotation in libpkg is at least 7 years old github.com/freebsd/pkg/blame/e482b6…c5c1432964e7b1b/libpkg/utils.c#L371

Title: Blaming pkg/libpkg/utils.c at e482b6668b813359ad3658ad5c5c1432964e7b1b · freebsd/pkg · GitHub

and the code to insert it hasn't been touched in four years: github.com/freebsd/pkg/blame/e482b6…32964e7b1b/libpkg/pkg_create.c#L568

Title: Blaming pkg/libpkg/pkg_create.c at e482b6668b813359ad3658ad5c5c1432964e7b1b · freebsd/pkg · GitHub

so what changed over the last few days to cause the FreeBSD-kernel-* pkg base packages to be created with an invalid FreeBSD_version? *sigh*

now that looks like it could the change i'm looking for: freebsd/pkg 2dea8d1

Title: config: if ABI is provided extrapolate ALTABI · freebsd/pkg@2dea8d1 · GitHub

i narrowed down my problem. the pkg base repo really contains a data.pkg with FreeBSD_version: 0 for the two kernel packages

hm, does freebsd still do PPP in userland? or is it just connection setup in userland and the rest is in netgraph?

mpd5 uses ng_ppp*

ppp(8) does still exist though, so I'm sure you can use it as well.

For initial setup, it's a lot easier to use the latter, but once you're sure it works, it's pretty easy to convert to the former.

is this about ppp(8) or pppoed(8)?

otis: unifi7 isnt letting me log in anymore on $SITE:8443/manage/account/login anymore

so I upgraded to unifi8 because deprecated

do I also need to manually migrate the mongod garbage too?

ooh apparently not!

lw you should get better performance from mpd5, assuming your link isn't terrible to start with

dch: no, it can upgrade the data itself. and in-place mongodb44 -> mongodb50 is also supported.

otis: so glad they handled the mongo upgrade. I can't seem to reach/manage any of my devices now, though. sigh.

maybe firewalls are in the way, but I haven't changed much recently

dch: mpd5s biggest strength might be the multi-link capability

i've ran into "snappy" problem

on a bit older stable/13

Why does maven depend on OpenJDK8?

Java bytecode is forward compatible, why do I need to have an older JDK installed in order to use maven?!!?

polarian: I wonder if the oldest jdk/maven is used to bootstrap newer jdks? speculation

hm... maybe maven has multiple ports... and I shouldn't use the metaport (a little like python)?

polarian: yep theres nexus2-oss maven maven39 maven363 and a wrapper as well

have a look through freshports.org/search.php?query=maven

hmm

debdrup, dch: thanks. the handbook only mentions mpd for pppoa (i'm using pppoe) but i'll give that a try

lw: I use it here, if I can help just ask. IIRC I got most of my info off a couple of blog posts

anybody using a modern wifi chip in a laptop they can recommend?

looks like my local inte 8265 is bust somehow and I need a replacement that works with iwlwifi or similar driver

i know of 2 that work with the run driver, if that helps?

jauntyd: sure!

LG PW-DN427 and Cisco-Linksys WUSB600N

thanks, I'll see what we have in stock nearby

ok, welcome

no wifi is a serious problem!

;(

it would hinder my use of my laptop greatly

I can vouch for ax200/201 on openbsd laptop at least. Iwlwifi should support them on freebsd as well

how much overhead is there on enabling dtrace? or is it like no overhead until probes start getting enabled?

good to see FreeBSD finally got support for Windows 98 cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=f0e…ecff85d4b9e875464199e065a269c9c2530

Title: src - FreeBSD source tree

anyone using fluentbit for observability collection on freebsd hosts? how's it working?

It's good to see MS-Windows98 finally getting the support that it needs. :-)

Unless someone refutes it I will list this as a direct result of MS releasing their MS-DOS 4.0 source yesterday. (Or was it the day before.)

anyone get grafana tempo working on freebsd?

so my new router has a qat(4)... what can i use this for? is it just a kernel crypto accelerator for ipsec/tls?

lw: in theory, but it depends on the system if it makes sense

on something like an atom or xeon-d it probably does

it's an Atom C3758R, so fairly slow 2.4GHz cores. although i use Wireguard for VPN and i'm guessing it can't accelerate that

on other systems moving the data through a peripheral could be more expensive than doing it in accelerated software with aes and carryless multiply instructions

afaik no x86 cpu or chipset accelerates chacha20 or poly1305, but they're already designed to fast on any reasonable 32bit or wider cpu

and to be able to take advantage of realworld simd units

i wonder if it can accelerate zfs/geli encryption, it does say it works with crypto(4)

it's a bit harder to get optimal performance out of an implementation and requires more power per processed bit

but compared to the pain that is setting up a key exchange daemon for if_ipsec(4)?

or even worse older ipsec configurations like gre+ipsec? *shudder*

it may sound crazy, but you could give openvpn a chance since freebsd 14.0 has an accelerated datapath for it as kernel modules

and unlike wireguard it can make use of ciphers that are commonly implemented in hardware

i'll see how performance is first, the internet connection is only 1Gbps which i think should be fine in software wireguard

the driver is ovpn(4)

Hi, from a CGI (compiled) program that I run from Apache2 I launch /usr/local/bin/python3.9 and a scripts that uses pysmbclient. pysmbclient is a wrapper around smbclient, that in FreeBSD is located in /usr/local/bin, but in that script it doesn't specify the absolute path, but simply tries to run as "smbclient". So, the question is, is there a way to add the PATH environment somewhere to "help"

python find this program?

done. As smbclient.py is just a python file, I just copied to the same directory as my program and hardcoded the path to smbclient.

you can put `: ${yourprog_env:=PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin}` or whatever path you want in the rc script, if you're launching that way

anyone get grafana tempo working on freebsd?

dtrace overhead in production?

alepzi: depends on what you're tracing

and what your workload is

everything?

if you're pushing packets as fast as possible, probably unacceptable. if you're running a blog that a few people visit, an irc client and git, completely negligible probably

ok ty

obviously, if you instrument every single kernel function, you will notice a slowdown. similarly, if you instrument system calls, you probably won't notice much if anything at all depending on the workload

:)

Do we have lsblk at install? I was relying on label to id my partitions, but failed to find a tool and went full Rambo! Thanks God all went well and here I am! I also went into a slight problem, a full error, tbh. bsdinstall tries to install twice the same set of packages and then complains it can't unlink or somthing. Then it keeps going and it looks like everything is running perfect! Amazing OS. I wish I could have money to donate!

One day, I hope

Carbon666, Try this: geom -t

hey, rwp! I am running from the "daemon" itself, haha

with flip-flops in my case :P

There is a port pkg of "lsblk" which is attempting to do what the linux lsblk does but I find it failing at that attempt.

I am running on a DE, I mean, I can do whatever I want with it, right?

alright! geom -t worked perfectly!

thanks

I am still running it from Grub, chanloading. Since it seems it doesn't writwe the boot to the MBR(???)

chainloading*

it could be a problem if I decide to wipe my Void Linux

yeah, no lsblk at install

rwp, is it enough to pkg upgrade if I am only using pre-built packages, right? My machine is so slow that I am afraid to compile from ports :P

it is*

lsblk is kind of a pain point because people come from linux and then bash freebsd because they want it to be linux and it's it's own thing which is very cozy if you take it as what it is

I don't know how many people only use binary pkg packages but a lot of people only use binary pkg packages and it all works great.

i don't like it when people bash things. i don't like it when people bash windows even though i really, really don't want to use it. I've been running bsd on bare metal since middle school.

concussious, I was desperate to find a system that could feel "at home". Like... in the sense that you feel no one else is watching you, doing only God knows what with my data...

Right. The thing is that zfs is so nice and so much better than anything out of the box on the gnu/linux side of things that there is no need for lsblk -f and so it doesn't get created because it is not needed.

yeah the lsblk discussions make me sad. I can't tell you how many times I've seen freebsd flamed specifically because of lsblk. like, windows is a perfectly usable os, it doesn't have manual pages. it doesn't have dd. computer structures are all imaginary, different environments invent different concepts that don't map cleanly to each other. there's no problem.

In the gnu/linux side one must know the UUIDs of everything to put them into /etc/fstab or in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf and such. But zfs handles all of that internally. The only zfs equiv is to use GPT labels.

lsblk -f is how one gets the UUIDs, which are just not needed to be known with zfs when using GPT labels.

I have some input: as of now, FreeBSD manages swap poorly as compared to linux. I am getting some crazy hiccups, but, it keeps going! Linux would just hang on you and you would have to finger it off....

their tools tell you information that is pertinent to their tooling. we have tools that tell you different information that is pertent to our tooling.

I put the drive serial numbers into the GPT labels so that I can identify which drive is having a problem and needs to be replaced. And I keep tags on the drive bays so I know which drive is in which bay. And I also have that in an inventory file that I can review from anywhere without needing to see the front of the server.

Right!

its cathardic to talk about this.

I am not bashing Linux

I know you're not,thats why i feel safe to speak on it

thanks!

when people are wearing their bashing hats, i try to just be silent so i don't get in trouble

this pc is a miracle

I can see me using FreeBSD on a proper hardware, oh man!

Every system has a learning curve. I am using a multitude of various systems. I definitely enjoy doing things more on some than others.

FreeBSD is not perfect. I always cringe when I see people struggle with a laptop install and see them trying to get WiFi going. That's a soft spot for certain. Mostly wifibox seems to be the most capable escape path for it.

yeah, I am still building my own intelect, like, consuming "data models"

rwp: multitude of systems you say? mas.to/@markmcb/112277974202711167

Title: Mark McBride: "Far from from scientific, a summary of my major o…" - mas.to

:)

rwp, I tried to address that by introducing networking(7), maybe you could look it over and if you have anything t

\o a

to add

markmcb, I am very impressed! You have data! You have kept track of it! I bow to your zen mastery.

Nowadays, I am locked inside that youtube/X/IG/Whatsapp world

if you know what I mean

like, just a browser and poof, the user is happy

I must amplify my horizons

concussious, Do you have a reference pointer for me? Assuming you did not mean networking(4) I don't know how I would look at networking(7).

are you guys using the man commang?

it's in /usr/src/share/man/man7/networking.7 if you have an up to date src for main

yes

command*

I myself hit a wpa_supplicant+dhclient interaction bug (in 13, have not tried 14) that I was able to work around.

concussious, That must be in 14 and I have not upgraded to 14 yet. No networking(7) on 13.

so, if you're running current you can say "man 7 networking" or if not, then you can say "man /usr/src/share/man/man7/networking.7"

no it's not on 14 either, its in 15.

let me try

I hope they'll put it in 14.1

No joy here either: man.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=n….0-CURRENT&arch=default&format=html

Title: networking(7)

since you can switch branches with git and have the whole tree, i keep my /usr/src/ up to date

Title: freebsd-src/share/man/man7/networking.7 at main · freebsd/freebsd-src · GitHub

my /usr/src/ is empty

let try to solve it by myself, it might be in the handbook

brb

concussious, Got it! I see the examples there. That will help people.

Life and time is what keeps everything from happening all at once! Stuff happening here. BBIAB

First, I need to focus on the init system

If I pretend to run a server, I must know everything about it

Carbon666: ?

the process and daemons, I am still reading the handbook, I need time, hehe. I gotta work tomorrow, woosh

I think you should download an updated set of manual pages. since the transition to git theres been a lot of people contributing to them.

is this system safe to keep a bitcoin wallet?

transition to git?

it scares the hell outta me :P

yeah, we were using subversion before, so now anybody can just make a pr on github, its really furthered manpages.

ah!!!! Cool

I would say that "safe to keep ___" is mostly dependent on your ability to keep backups

I will try to get sunday to spend in here, digging, learning

a pure FreeBSD, hardened and with an unplugged keyboard, still have single user, but, one must be able to brick all access forever without the root password, right?

not with Quantum Computers aroud, I see

around*

the "hard" installer is so smart, Jesus!

I... I think you can always fix it

I also think the cyborgs can always break it

okay, if you use geli with the settings for journalists, there's no fixing that.

if silicon was to be the best, GOd would have used it on us! We are carbon and Stars!

you can also disable single user login without password in /etc/ttys, but I don't do that

freebsd is treated as encrypted already to badguys, they have no idea what they're looking at

i need to be able to fix my stuff. if someone physically beats me up and takes my laptop, fine.

haha! what do you mean by "fixing my stuff"? Do you mean backups or using single user for somthing?

lets say you're playing with PAM, like you want your system to use fingerprint swipe instead of passwords... but then you configure it wrong. then, passwords are broken, so you can't log in if it needs you to in order to put the computer back the way it was before

I sometimes feel the reverberation from the kernel hitting the CPU. I think that was what I was looking for! WOW, what a beautiful insight!

concussious, alright! Good point. For a basement HD, with no machine plugged in, single user should be marked insecure. then you split the password between some trusted people, and let there some bitcoins for the future

we won't live forever, and we should offer to Cesar what belongs to Cesar!

not the bitcoins, tho hehehehe

because that belongs to ME! haha

concussious, how do I go about downloading an updated set of manual pages?

I looking at github.com/freebsd/freebsd-doc

Title: GitHub - freebsd/freebsd-doc: FreeBSD doc tree (read-only mirror)

I gotta go to bed

tomorrow I will try to come back

I am just too tired

thank you all guys! And keep on rocking!!!!4

sorry I gotta go

damn, looks like they were successfully converted to being a happy FreeBSDer :)

based schitzo posting