any ZFS pros around?

It's always better just to ask the question and then if someone knows they will jump in.

usually, yes.

Besides I get paid for a lot of things that I really know little about. Being a professional does not make one an expert. :-)

I'm looking for experience, not knowledge right now so that question was crafted carefully ;)

in most of my servers, I have an SSD pool and an HDD pool. I am wondering whether that is really worth it. assuming that memory is not a problem, would I notice lower performance if I have only one HDD pool backed by an L2 ARC SSD and a ZIL SSD?

for "light SME loads"

jbo: have you considered using the SSDs as special vdevs? iirc you can configure specific filesystems to be stored only on the special vdevs

lw, by filesystems you mean datasets?

i don't know if it works with volumes, the manual page says "small files blocks"

lw, also: screw you for making me having working factorio under freebsd :p

hello

im trying to connect in hexchat but it says something about ssl

how can i disable ssl?

it says connection failed ssl handshake timed out

disabling it will pertain to your hexchat application, not freebsd

i dont see nothing in hexchat settings that says ssl

not only hexchat i cant connecto in any irc client

can i disable ipv6?

warsoul: according to the manual page of ifconfig, it should be ''ifconfig ifdisabled mydev0''? strange name fpr the option. But: "ifdisabled: Set a flag to disable all of IPv6 network communications on the specified interface.  Note that if there are already configured IPv6 addresses on that interface, all of them are marked as “tentative”

and DAD will be performed when this flag is cleared."

Kalten how can i disable it?

you mean permanently i.e. in a configuration file, I do fear—well…

the normal way to "disable ipv6" is to just not configure any ipv6 addresses, in which case ipv6 won't be used

lw i think my connection is ssl and thats why i cant connect any irc client

thats why im thinking in disable it

ok, well ipv6 and ssl are not related... do you mean you want to disable SSL in an application?

yes

warsoul: what does IPv6 have to do with using ssl? I am confused

because when i try to connect in hexchat to my znc it says connection failed ssl handshake timed out

i have not touch nothing in znc or hexchat is like i always do

but i remember when i was installing freebsd 14.0 it asked for ssl connection i selected by mistake

i think thats the issue

SSL is not a property of your network connection, it's something an application does when you configure it to use SSL. if the installer asked anything ssl-related, it was probably about which mirror to use for downloads, which has no effect on anything after the install is done

SSL or no SSL (SecureSocketLayer) can be used on top of the PIv4 as well as on top of IPv6 Layer.

e.g. https ist using ssl together with http.

you might find someone in #hexchat knows how to disable SSL in that application

what can be the issue then?

Your firewall might be to blame

Kalten this only happens when i run under freebsd

Can zombies exist without a parent process/group?

with mac, debian, windows doesnt happend

_xor: every process has a parent, including zombies, except for init (pid 1). if a zombie's parent exits, it will be reparented to init, and init will reap it

warsoul: You might have compile hexchat so that it's linked against ssl in base.

Depends on how it was compiled/installed. Also, could potentially be missing certificates (ca_root_nss)

_xor how can i check that

lw: Ah, that's what I was wondering about. If it's re-parented first or killed outright.

that only happens when connecting to znc

Are you using ipfw? If so, you might enter "ipfw add 1 allow all from any to any"

if i connect directly to a irc server will work normal

lw: So it goes up the process tree until it's re-parented to a process that can read its value and clean it up or until it hits init which will ultimately reap it?

_xor: as far as i know, the reparenting is directly to init, it will not be reparented to its parent's parent. (however, wait(2) mentions a feature called PROC_REAP_ACQUIRE which could be used to do this - i assume that's freebsd-specific)

"...see procctl(2) PROC_REAP_ACQUIRE..."

_xor can you help me out please.

Yup, was just dealing with that a couple of days ago. procctl (FreeBSD) vs prctl (Linux).

warsoul: Oh, well in that case I'm not sure if it's connecting to other IRC servers normally (assuming they're also using TLS).

when i try to connect to another irc server directly will say ssl routines: wrong version number

i will have to open server tab and enable use ssl for all the servers on this network

that way will connect

but is not letting me connect to my znc

and in my znc i have ssl disable

after the ssl routines message it says

are you sure this is a ssl capable server and port>

i am about to dd the /boot folder on this machine, i should NOT expect this to really change much?

well that does not matter.. did a reboot because of a freebsd-update and now no bueno

well an inconsistent /dev/gpt/efiboot0

is never good

okay, how can a boot drive just go missing on partitions

is it possible that if 2 drives have an EFI on them.. that freebsd would "get confused"

i have 2 drives.. ada3 and nda0.. ada3 is my main drive, which has a partitions.. but when i do /dev/ada3*

nothing shows up

i try to "destroy" the non main drive.. the nda0 one with gpart destroy -F nda0 and the dang system says device or resource is busy

Attempted recovery for standard suplerblock: failed

i do not think those are good

what does nda mean? an nvme drive?

yes

the ada0 drive _use_ to have partitions in /dev now it does not

but when i do a gpart list.. i see the partitions on both drives

can you try unplugging the nonboot drive?

also in uefi i think it lets you select the drive to boot off of anyway

UEFI does not even see the other drive

so i wouldn't guess that multiple efi partitions would be inherently bad

what does camcontrol devlist show you?

looks good

shows all the drives in the machine

i do see on boot.. geom does nda0 ada0 ada1 ada2 ada3, in that order

i am grabbing straws.. would not think that really matters

i thought you only had ada3 and nda0 and ada3 was the main drive

what are ada0 1 and 2

the other ada is the zfs stuff

ada3 = old main boot drive

nda0 = new nvm.e drive

i was rebooting to see if things would be okay.. to proceed

if you become root and do sysctl kern.disks does it say 4 disks total?

4 ada ones and a nda0

which is "right"

right

and gpart show.. displays partitions for ada3

can you pastebin it

or like diskinfo -v

unfortunately i am in single user mode

ah ok

but i am getting results wit diskinfo -v

i take it, if i can get into single user mode the /boot stuff is "working" just some how partition table is corrupt..

i even thought of gpart destroy -f nda0 but i get a device is busy error

so when the freebsd logo comes up you tried booting the s ystem and then it doe ssomething?

which is odd.. since it is NOT mounted

yup.. i get all the way to trying to mount the swap partition ada3p3

then it kicks me into single user mode.. as it can not find that partition

i forgot why you wanted to do gpart destroy on your main drive

ada3 is still my main drive

er i guess that's the nda one

and if you type mount it shows that nothing from nda is mounted?

that i can tell, yes

zroot/ROOT/default on /

that's weird

devfs on /de

because the device busy error would only make sense if something like another partition was mounted

well lets try your idea of removing the nvm.e drive

not sure WHY that would be the case.. but may at least isolate issue

FreeBSD keeps crashing like a motherfucker today.

nope

oh wait

i am not in a multie user mode

voy4g3r2: i'm not clear on the problem of having the nda drive to start with

me either

you made it sound like it was confused on what to boot from

what was the actual error you get

but i got to a login in multi-user mode when i got rid of the drive

is the original problem you installed the nvme drive, then couldn't boot at all?

pretty much

1. I cloned the partition from ada3 to nda0 2.) resized nda0 to take up whole drive 3.) started to move over the zfs structure 4.) rebooted

both drives are in the system.. the system SHOULD boot off ada3

but for some reason, not 100% sure why, the system gets "confused" and does not think ada3 has any partitions

if i remove the nda0 drive, the system boots fine

freebsd would "error out" and say there is a superblock issue with ada3

johnjaye: did i make it worse or more clear ? :)

i am now looking through logs, to see if somethign wrote somewhere.. but i doubt it

well you certainly added a lot of context lol.

it is usually that little context, that causes something to go arye

but i think since the drive couldn't mount.. it was not writing logs anywhere

the dmesg output looks "okay" now

well there's generally 2 kinds of requests people make.

the first is when they have a lot of context in their head, and also don't exactly know the answer. the second is more they just want to know something specific quickly.

i am in the former

in the first case you spend a bit trying to figure out the context that is not being mentioned.

like if you said by the way i was using linux the whole time!

haha

so maybe the correct follow-up is there anything in that context that would shine some light?

idk. not if connecting a different drive causes errors to show with the other drive. that's wonky

maybe skip the transfer and just format the nda drive from 0?

i thought i was "trying" that with destroying the partitions

figure wipe out partitions.. then format

damn you youtube videos.. cloning a main drive is easy and straight forward they say

and teh bios has the ada3 drive to be teh boot one, not the nvm.e so it is like.. what are you doing stupid computer

something is telling the OS to .. do nda0 before ada3

and it is probably me doing a half a** move of something

hrm.. might as well see if there is some bios updates thingie for this board

johnjaye: thanks for the tips, if i can not figure this out.. format looks to be the best option (nda0 format NOT ada3)

np, gl and let us know how it turns out

yeah.. looks like there are some UEFI bugs in bios

by the way you can use efibootmgr -v in both linux and freebsd to view the uefi default order of booto

haha

╰─$ efibootmgr -v

efibootmgr: efi variables not supported on this system. root? kldload efirt?

eh

i am just throwing curve balls like its no ones business

what does sysctl machdep.bootmethod show

machdep.bootmethod: UEFI

o_o

you have one messed up machine my friend

voy4g3r2: has your machine ever gotten a short or physical damage/

that can lead to strange behavior and random problems sometimes

on the motherboard i mean

not that i am aware of

the machine is like 3 months old

my machine is like a decade old. i'm considering if i should make a new one or hold onto this one for a few more years.

so basically the OS says UEFI

The thing is I think AMD is generally better now than intel. so if i ride that wave i should get the best ryzen 9000 or something if i wait awhile

but the system does not think UEFI

that makes no sense

well you can only boot uefi or bios.

if you have a uefi partition the firmware should use it

which it must or it would not boot..

like my uefi firmware menu lets me boot cdrom in bios mode. it says achi vs uefi to distinguish them. at least that is how the OS sees it

Title: dpaste/Aq7E6 (Plain Text)

this is gpart

yeah.. it says UEFI (KingFast)

which is the drive..

ada3

so some how introducing the nvm and cloning it from ada3.. the system goes.. wtf dude

the wtf is the unknown

it might just auto prioritize the nvd over the ada

like it just assumes the boot drive is the nvd and you have to go into the firmeware to tell it otherwise?

yeah.. dumb motherboard

Title: B760M DS3H (rev. 1.0) Key Features | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global

it is not a fancy board but works

well tomorrow it is bios hunting

and upgrading this bios..

and see why it defaults to nvm over ada3

which makes a little more sense, since geom is doing nda0 ada0 ada1 ada2 ada3

so if i run my virtual_oss device with "-s 20ms", it works fine, if i use "-s 80ms" then i get massive stuttering on playback

If I have an AMD Radeon RX5500, what GPU driver do I need to install?

remiliascarlet: that's Navi, so install drm-kmod and load amdgpu.ko

lw: Seems like I have it already installed and loaded in. The reason why I ask is because Steam gives me these messages: paste.opensuse.org/pastes/de956638b039

Title: openSUSE Paste

共有オブジェクトファイルを開けません: そのようなファイルやディレクトリはありません means "Cannot open shared object file: such a file or directory doesn't exist".

yeah, i never got DRI working under Linux emulation with amdgpu. there's an environment variable you can set to force it to use amdgpu instead of radeonsi, but then the card fails to initialise

So I guess I'll just need to keep my Linux SSD for gaming, and have my FreeBSD SSD for everything else?

Because Steam is the reason why I chose FreeBSD over OpenBSD for my desktop.

some people do claim to have it working (i think tm512 of this channel said it works for them), i'm just not sure how

Hi all. Is it possible use something like debmirror to make a repo but only put like 20 files in it instead of doing a full sync?

Is debmirror maybe not the right tool?

johnjaye: so looks like the bios was doing UEFI but it was saying.. let the OS decide

after this bios update session, i am going to see if i put the drive back in that problem goes away

errr the dang system keeps going to the nvme drive FIRST

son of a gun

lw: wasn't me. that's a can of worms I haven't opened yet (though this T495's fairly decent iGPU is going to tempt me)

anyone ever experience where freebsd would "override" what the bios would say in a boot order.. bios says one drive to boot from and then freebsd picks a different drive?

well look at th at.. i found an issue with a manual page.. sweet

hello, Fresh installed bsd,installed from freebsd packages mysql81-server, then try to start it, result: /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql-server: WARNING: failed precmd routine for mysql

does anyone else experience the same?

mysql_secure / mysql_tmpdir had root:wheel ownership ... weird...

nerozero: Would you get the same error with MariaDB?

Asking this because some people tend to think that MySQL and MariaDB is the same thing, but sometimes there are legit usecases of installing MySQL.

remiliascarlet: is this one of those situations where one program is a clone of another one?

like octave is essentially matlab, but gnu

voy4g3r2: BIOS boot order only affects where the BIOS loaders loader(8) from, it has nothing to do with what device FreeBSD itself will boot from

voy4g3r2: to control where loader(8) boots from, either set 'currdev' ot something like 'zfs:zroot/ROOT/default:' to control where loader loads the kernel from, or set vfs.root.mountfrom to control where the kernel itself mounts root from

ohhh so not gptboot but loader(8)

i was goign down the gptboot rabbit hole as it was talking about uefi

ah... if you're using gptboot(8) for non-UEFI booting i don't know how that works exactly

i haven't done that for ages, UEFI booting tends to be much easier to understand since it's just a single two stage boot

I have a laptop with 13th gen intel integrated graphics. It seems that freebsd 14.0 supports only drm-5.15, and I'd need 5.19+. Is there any way to get graphics to work there?

v0idpwn: you could upgrade to current, which has a newer version of drm-kmod (currently 6.1, i believe). or you could check if 14-stable has a newer version, i don't know off hand

lw: i am just going down paths, not 100% sure what exactly is the way

lw: current has drm-kmod 6.1, but the installer didn't even boot here :)

v0idpwn: the 15.0 installer snapshots can be a bit... non-functional. try creating a new boot environment and doing an in-place upgrade from 14

Does anyone have sssd running on a FreeBSD box? I see it in the pkg, but figured I see if anyone is using it before I give it a go...

last time i time sssd it would not read its config file properly then crashed, but that was a few months ago, perhaps that was fixed

johnjaye: No, MariaDB is a fork of MySQL that arrived after Oracle bought Sun. A lot of stuff got forked during that time, like OpenOffice.org into LibreOffice, or OpenSolaris into OpenIndianna. So MariaDB used to be the same as MySQL, but have evolved in different directions over time.

The forks were rather forced due to Oracle changing licenses to non-free licenses which meant that it was required to fork from the last free license versions.

And then later after four years or so I think Oracle changed several of them back and so splitting the free software development community. Which is why we have LibreOffice the community effort and OpenOffice came back from the dead as an Oracle revamp.

remiliascarlet, Your warning about mariadb v. mysql is a good one. Just recently an intern did not know about the fork and did not know that he should be installing and using MariaDB these days, was falling older docs with MySQL, installed MySQL, and ran into many compatibility issues trying to load new databases dumped from MariaDB now.

For example in mysql groups became a keyword or a reserved word and now needs to be quoted making it incompatible unless the data is quoted. Getting him switched over to MariaDB solved the issues because "everyone is using mariadb" these days. (True or not that "everyone" is using it MariaDB is the free software path forward.)

rwp: Not everyone is using MariaDB, many use PostgreSQL or SQLite.

remiliascarlet, Good point. Though here I was specifically regarding MariaDB v. MySQL and of those two let me pontificate that no one should use MySQL and everyone /should/ upgrade to MariaDB. Let's keep everyone moving together on that one. Without any negativity at all toward PostgreSQL or SQLite.

hello from SQL Server land

Plain text is a core tenant of the Unix Philosophy.

CrtxReavr: Please don't encryption in public IRC. Could you type that again in plaintext please?

/ex -o echo bite me | rot13 | rot13

Please don't encryption. I can't type or think any more.

s/encryption/use &/

Hello i am having a hell of a time trying to get X working on my laptop 10870h. its an optimus system and i tried using intel, nvidia and the optimus driver none work

Did you get the nvidia.ko to load?

with optimus driver x did run but immediately freeze

ive removed that and the xorg.conf i had and no it just crashes complaining about either no devices no screens or it can't run in framebuffer mode

CrtxReavr: do you mean nvidia-modeset?

or is there a seperate driver i need to load?

No, I mean the nvidia-proved kernel module.

the issue seems to be a missing intel driver on my system if i have intel as the driver x complains about not being able to find it

CrtxReavr: i wasn't aware of it

modesetting works but again i either get a frozen x or a crash

vesa also works as well but same issue i haven't tried using scrfi?(not sure of the name) but i thought that was a really old driver so didn't try it

i can look into the driver from nvidia. im coming from linux so i just assumed to avoid it

I guess it's not currently in ports, but: nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/199660/en-us

Title: FreeBSD Display Driver – x64 | 525.89.02 | FreeBSD x64 | NVIDIA

rwp: thanks i wasn't aware it was connected to the breakup of Sun. it seems like it was a nuclear level event in the world of free software

markboston, it's been a while since I've had a FreeBSD workstation.

There was a big stink because nVidia chose to release their FreeBSD & Linux drivers as pre-compiled blobs.

Though. .. they were easy to get working.

I see how they're distributing a source tarball. .. there's a docs/README in there.

Looks like it isntalls nvidia.ko to /boot/modules/

So you kldload that, then run kldstat to verify it loaded.

got it downloaded

yeah, this is way better documented than it used to be.

Any more knoweledge I might share is likely dated.

now i just need to figure out how to have tar showing me its output

-v doesn't seem to do anything

guess i have to be patient

tar xvf filename.tar

isn't f format? or file?

i tried -xv

f is the filename, so that's equivalent to 'tar -x -v -ffilename.tar', but in tar's odd non-standard option syntax which doesn't use '-' there

yup that worked

CrtxReavr, AFAIK that nVidia source tarball is only source for a shim wrapper around the binary driver core.

rwp, it builds the kernel module.

so it gave me a makefile and src so i need to make it? and then put the driver into boot/modules?

CrtxReavr, Right. It builds the kernel driver.

markboston, my knowledge is dated. . . look at the docs/README in your extracted directory.

okie dokie

it gives way better instructions than I ever had.

well thats nice

sometimes a README is just run make install goodbye

im looking at you suckless :P

ak ok so make install builds it and moves it and loads it for you

how lovely

jbo: around?

when was last message?

lw, y

jbo: how would you like to check 'update wine-devel to 9.3' off your bucket list?

lw, test on 13.0-RELEASE, 14.0-RELEASE, create PR - the normal process?

jbo: yes, i'm testporting now - i realised i should have done an i386 testport as well because the plist is different so i'll test on 14.0/i386

great, that is good

lw, is the patch similar to 9.2? or something more happening?

jbo: pretty much the same but i moved manpages to share/man le-fay.org/tmp/30d/iNrOBt.txt

(not final patch, don't commit that!)

that's good @ man move

i wonder how hard it would be to add aarch64 to ONLY_FOR_ARCHS

probably depends on how much the linux and freebsd arm64 ABIs differ

lw: if you would do a man -f share/man/man1/wineg++.1.gz

does it throw an error for you?

i ask, as i am playing with the what_is / man -f and when i pass ++ and other special characters i hve to escape it

voy4g3r2: yes

probably a rhetorical question: since ixsystems has basically abandoned truenas core/freebsd, any point to installing it on a new storage machine?

I'd argue that you could just install freebsd itself and be happy with that.

I abandoned appliances like pfsense, free/truenas and so on many years ago.

everything is just stock freebsd now and it's a lot less hassle to maintain in my experience

that's my plan, truenas core does make somethings easier

i think there is value in having appliances for people who just want a storage server and don't (for example) want to learn how to do a 3-way conflict merge just to install updates

i wonder if Oracle still makes that Solaris-based ZFS appliance

lw, oracle still makes anything if you give them money :)

jbo: untrue, they abandoned Rdb!

although i think the last version might still be in super-extra-extended-support