14.0-RELEASE boots faster than 13.2. Nice

i wish i timed it

Everything is working thanks all

yw

is git recommeded over portsnap for ports ?

i just used portsnap to update extracrt etc.. just reading up

Is Vim recommended over Adobe Photoshop? That's the kind of question I'm reading here.

dunno remiliascarlet i was suing git to manage ports and update. but then i was reading about portsnap and it my depreciated. so i don't knwo which to use

i just did an upgrade to 14.0 so im treading lightly

Git is a version control system used in software development, it's not a ports system.

Got it

I need to keep reading. i can read all i want but if nothing happens like a upgrade then i won't know what to do. freebsd is keeping me on my toes

using git is a fine way to update the ports tree

updating the ports... there's a lot of choices

In the release notes for 14.0 it says portsnap is being removed and gives some git commands for getting the ports tree. Go here freebsd.org/releases/14.0R/relnotes and search in that page for portsnap.

Title: FreeBSD 14.0-RELEASE Release Notes | The FreeBSD Project

Note that since the release has not been announced yet some of the content of that page could change.

The release should be announced in a day or two. See Here: lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable/2023-November/001662.html

Title: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule

remiliascarlet: yes! vim is better than adobe photoshop to edit text files

jb1277976: you either use pkg (pre built packages) or porstnap (you build the packages).. and sometimes they dont mix well if you are not experienced. just stick to pkg

JKHII: portsnap being removed? whaaat

hernan: Yep. Even the handbook no longer mentions it. docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/…s/#ports-using-installation-methods

Title: Chapter 4. Installing Applications: Packages and Ports | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

can i install freebsd 14 like this? forums.freebsd.org/threads/freebsd-bananapi-m3-support.58728

Title: Freebsd BananaPi M3 support | The FreeBSD Forums

i can not get color in my /bin/sh PS1. i've even copypasta'd various examples i've found and i can't get it to work. it just prints the escape codes. i imagine there must be a way. still looking

maybe i should get in the habit of doing my dirty work as the toor user, and just make that something like zsh

&2

how do I tell if I need to reboot my system after doing "freebsd-update fetch install" ?

mns: It's a new kernel. So; always. I think.

tercaL: that's not always the case. sometimes its just an update to userland and not kernel.

mns: perusing the announcements is the best way

the SA/EN text is supposed to very explicitly state if you need to reboot

(vs. just restarting all userland services vs. restarting just one service)

kevans: where do I find the announcements for the security updates ?

found it at freebsd.org/security/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-23:16.cap_net.asc

I guess although the advisory says to reboot, it was not needed. uname -a and freebsd-version -k say I'm on 13.2-RELEASE-p4.

It probably says to reboot because it updated a library that you need to get the old version out of memory.

mns: it'll work if you're not using it

eh. funny, I'm getting tons of kernel messages about processes dying on signal 11 during reboot on 14-RELEASE. what's weird is that it's all after the "All buffers synced." message. Some even after the "Uptime: ..." message.

I just ran pkg upgrade on a jail running a service using node19, and it abruptly deinstalled node19

why would upgrade deinstall something?

can I prevent it from happening again?

futunebot: probably to replace it with node20

yeah, that would have been fine, and I just did that manually

but it didn't replace, just deinstall

futunebot: ok. well that's odd. you can `pkg lock` packages to prevent them from getting automatically upgraded/replaced, but that has consequences on other packages that depend on it...

node19 has been removed from the ports in june

I don't need that particular version, but I do need some version of node

now, I only noticed because the service didn't come online after restart

is there a way to install a metapkg to always keep latest lts version, for example?

did I make some config mistake?

well, for languages such as nodejs, you better not rely on a default/latests metapackage

as versions have backward *and* forward incompatibilities

futunebot: hmm well there is a "meta port" called just "node" apparently.

www/node tracks the "latest" LTS node version

Hi, after upgrading to 13.2 I got my notebook environment broken. Does anyone know which package shall be installed to bring Jupyter Notebook back to life?

I have tried seveal, including py39-notebook

thanks guys, tht's what I should have installed before

well, it was a matter of deleteing old versions in /usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/....

is 14.0-RELEASE already available via freebsd-update?

phryk: it's on the servers but it has not yet been officially released. They are adamant in saying that it has not yet been released.

rafe: okay, so they're waiting on a big poudriere build for pkg.freebsd.org or something?

phryk: possibly! I don't know

phryk: lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current/2023-November/004980.html - no idea what is missing, though

Title: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule

aye, sounds like my assumption isn't far from truth. :)

uskerine_: you shouldn't manually delete stuff in /usr/local/lib/, so pkg didn't correctly remove the old version before installing the new one?

can wayland run with drm-515-kmod (intel 12th gen video) ?

sway fails to start with error: Kernel is too old (4.16+ required) or unusable for Iris

Anyone tried and succeeded in cross-compiling BoringSSL for FreeBSD? Any hints with respect to a CMake toolchain file? "[...]git/checkouts/boring-b37daebd62069023/3809a7e/boring-sys/deps/boringssl/src/crypto/fipsmodule/rand/urandom.c:237:53: error: use of undeclared identifier 'AT_EXECFN'" looks fishy.

ueberall: Last year tried it, ended up with horrible errors. (I needed it for installing OpenLiteSpeed web server)

ueberall: you mean freshports.org/security/boringssl ?

Title: FreshPorts -- security/boringssl: Fork of OpenSSL

nimaje: Yes, but not that copy; mine came from docs.rs/boring/latest/boring

Title: boring - Rust

so rust bindings for boringssl, does it have some way to tell it to link against the system version instead of building its own copy of boringssl?

That's an idea… if I can install boringssl under the specified "sysroot".

ueberall: docs.rs/boring/latest/boring/#suppo…pre-built-binaries-or-custom-source

Title: boring - Rust

hi all

is it out? version 14.x

seems like it needs some days still lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current/2023-November/004980.html

Title: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule

ok thx

nimaje: Thanks, I'm reading that atm.

Anyone use dhcpcd? I'm looking at the rc.d script installed by the port and it looks. . . lacking.

pkg info -l dhcpcd

it doesnt have /usr/local/etc/rc.d/dhcpcd ?

It does, I'm talking about the script itself.

Seems to have no tooling for specifying an interface.

I can't test it now, but it doesn't look bad.

Title: dhcpcd.in « files « dhcpcd « net - ports - FreeBSD ports tree

what's your problem ?

babz: there's also cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/?h=vendor…636abec6d5451820add99300bda2ca6d86a or, there will be, any month now

Title: src - FreeBSD source tree

Okay, how do I specify the interface it runs on, within rc.conf & rc.d mechanism?

I see the $ifn variable, but there's no rc.conf syntax to specify it, or even dhcpcd_options.

hello i am trying to get serial output on my little experimental SBC but i struggle to set the baud rate and what the handbook tells me to do does not work

the baud rate of the device’s bootloader is 115200, and i get into the freeBSD bootloader at the same speed, i can get into the boot menu etc, but once it loads the kernel it only prints a gharbled mess like when you connect at the wrong speed

so i checked the handbook and the handbook says to recompile the kernel with "options CONSPEED=115200" but if i try that all i get is a make error and "unknown option "CONSPEED""

seriously, how long has this article not seen an update? docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/serialcomms

Title: Chapter 29. Serial Communications | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

Does anyone know: when installing the mini-memstick version which does not contain the installation files, how does bsdinstall verify that the downloads are ok? hash, or signature, or?

CrtxReavr: it looks like a drop-in replacement for /etc/rc.d/dhclient

however I don't see any way to make /etc/network.subr use it

seems like this is still a thing, escape codes not parseable by /bin/sh: bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=211360

Title: 211360 – ESC characters are not interpreted by /bin/sh

mns: they're sent to various lists... they're also posted to the website: freebsd.org/security/advisories and freebsd.org/security/notices

Title: FreeBSD Security Advisories | The FreeBSD Project

in a system that sets serial console mode in loader.conf, is there any way to override this when booting?

it appears that even with Video console set in the main screen, the loader.conf eventually overrides it

loader.conf should nt (and usually doesn't) override anything set in the menu by design

hmm, not sure what i did then. i configured it to use serial console some time ago and i've forgotten how. but in any case, when i set Video console in the menu, eventually the boot changes to dual console with serial primary

and luckily the boot from iso mechanism on the remote access software is not working

babz, not setup to try it yet, but I suspect it's by tweaking: dhclient_program="/sbin/dhclient" # Path to dhcp client program.

hmm, can't unset console setting in the loader and also can't override it with console=vidconsole - it remains comconsole,vidconsole

jmnbtslsQE: UEFI boot or BIOS?

comconsole and vidconsole would imply bios

did you set boot_serial in loader.conf?

unfortunately not sure what exactly is in loader.conf since it's been set to serial for a while. i don't remember that specific setting; i think it's more likely i would have set something like "console=comconsole,vidconsole"

yeah, it's BIOS

this is 12.4 in case it matters

Is there a better room to use to discuss zfs?

#zfs I think ?

If your question is freebsd-specific you can ask it here

Is the memstick.img suppose to be legacy bios bootable?

Because mine, upon loading /boot/loader just restarts

Which FreeBSD version?

14

Ok I am about the abandon this whole legacy bios thing

it seems that it's not really well supported

I only wanted to try it because I had a graphics issue, I saw somewhere that switching to legacy might help, so I wanted to weed out the easy things first

i use legacy bios exclusively but i've never run 14

Did you verify the checksums are correct?

can anyone try an openssl connect command and see if it works for you ? : openssl s_client -connect mail.ag.gov.tt:25 -starttls smtp

somehow this works on Linux, but not FreeBSD

Ugh! Something went wrong with my Samba DCs and replicated to them all and now none of the bind instances will start :/

I mean, in FreeBSD it gets stuck for me at 'Connected'

last1: what were you expecting ?

to go past the connected text

negotiate cipher, etc, show the smtp prompt in the end

mns: can you try it ? What are you seeing ?

last1: I seem to get through the handshake just fine

kevans: which version of openssl are you using if you don't mind me asking

last1: 3.0.11

eh, it wouldn't matter, I just tried with an older FreeBSD with openssl 1.0.1p from 2015 and it connected

I don't understand, regular SMTP connects fine without TLS, I get the banner and everything. TLS connections hang at connected

last1, does the server log shed any light on it?

I don't have access to the server

Then I'd break out tcpdump or wireshark.

when it worked for you, which cipher was selected ?

I haven't tried. ISP won't let me SMTP out.

figured it out, sort of

it's pf

if I disable it, TLS handshake completes

last1: i can test. im at school right now

ok, but it seems to be an issue with the packet filter

I have pretty simple rules like: pass in quick on vmx0 all flags S/SA keep state

can that somehow block TLS negotiation in this particular case ?

last1: do you want me to run that command ? openssl s_client -connect mail.ag.gov.tt:25 -starttls smtp ?

sure, do you have pf enabled ?

probably not lol i'm new

what package is pf ?

any way to watch and see when pf is reloaded using 'service pf reload'?

it's the system firewall :)

aw proabbly not

not sure what was missing but adding scrub in all to my pf fixed the issue

for sure their firewall was messed up or something

hi, bpa.st/4JCQ any tip on why do I get invalid configuration for notebook while trying "service jail onestart notebook" ? first time with jails, thanks

Title: View paste 4JCQ

I am in doubt about host.hostname, my idea is to have several jails (it is a development environment) and having the DNS for "example.com" configured to point to local IP addresses

allow raw sockts

Starting jails:/etc/rc.d/jail: WARNING: Invalid configuration for notebook (no jail.conf, no hostname, or no path). Jail notebook was ignored.

still no luck after fixing the typo, seems something a bit more profound

you're going manual. i learned manual with this: clinta.github.io/freebsd-jails-the-hard-way

Thanks scoobybejesus , I will read that

semicolons missing on a couple lines might be it

interface might need quotes?

if none of that, i just wonder if the conf file is in a place jls will look for it

Now I see I skipped parts from the handbook..... I will do the homework again

btw, is there any online meetup or so about FreeBSD

Jails the hard way... docker ?

That depends on what you mean by "online meetup". There's #freebsd-social on IRC, if that counts for you.

so in thin jails, do jails share the environment with the actual box, or do the initial download of the FreeBSD 13.2 image will be shared for all thin jails?

Well I used to attend some C++ meetups, they do talks and things like that

Oh. I don't know, then. Maybe look at Community > User groups on freebsd.org .

Title: The FreeBSD Project

uskerine_: from the way I know, using bastille, thin jails share the base image, hence they're thin. that way you can update the base image, and it will propogate to the thin jails.

wonder if other folks encounter this.. bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=208911

Title: 208911 – devel/libedit: removes escape characters from prompt