00:02:15 14.0-RELEASE boots faster than 13.2. Nice 00:02:23 i wish i timed it 00:18:26 Everything is working thanks all 00:20:05 yw 00:41:28 is git recommeded over portsnap for ports ? 00:41:52 i just used portsnap to update extracrt etc.. just reading up 00:45:10 Is Vim recommended over Adobe Photoshop? That's the kind of question I'm reading here. 00:45:44 dunno remiliascarlet i was suing git to manage ports and update. but then i was reading about portsnap and it my depreciated. so i don't knwo which to use 00:46:02 i just did an upgrade to 14.0 so im treading lightly 00:46:35 Git is a version control system used in software development, it's not a ports system. 00:52:57 Got it 00:54:02 I need to keep reading. i can read all i want but if nothing happens like a upgrade then i won't know what to do. freebsd is keeping me on my toes 01:01:50 using git is a fine way to update the ports tree 01:02:17 updating the ports... there's a lot of choices 01:06:24 In the release notes for 14.0 it says portsnap is being removed and gives some git commands for getting the ports tree. Go here https://www.freebsd.org/releases/14.0R/relnotes/ and search in that page for portsnap. 01:06:25 Title: FreeBSD 14.0-RELEASE Release Notes | The FreeBSD Project 01:07:11 Note that since the release has not been announced yet some of the content of that page could change. 01:08:26 The release should be announced in a day or two. See Here: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable/2023-November/001662.html 01:08:27 Title: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule 01:34:57 remiliascarlet: yes! vim is better than adobe photoshop to edit text files 01:36:09 jb1277976: you either use pkg (pre built packages) or porstnap (you build the packages).. and sometimes they dont mix well if you are not experienced. just stick to pkg 01:36:59 JKHII: portsnap being removed? whaaat 01:47:19 hernan: Yep. Even the handbook no longer mentions it. https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/ports/#ports-using-installation-methods 01:47:20 Title: Chapter 4. Installing Applications: Packages and Ports | FreeBSD Documentation Portal 03:25:02 can i install freebsd 14 like this? https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/freebsd-bananapi-m3-support.58728/ 03:25:03 Title: Freebsd BananaPi M3 support | The FreeBSD Forums 03:54:52 i can not get color in my /bin/sh PS1. i've even copypasta'd various examples i've found and i can't get it to work. it just prints the escape codes. i imagine there must be a way. still looking 04:00:06 maybe i should get in the habit of doing my dirty work as the toor user, and just make that something like zsh 04:03:54 &2 06:51:03 how do I tell if I need to reboot my system after doing "freebsd-update fetch install" ? 06:51:54 mns: It's a new kernel. So; always. I think. 06:53:03 tercaL: that's not always the case. sometimes its just an update to userland and not kernel. 07:13:28 mns: perusing the announcements is the best way 07:13:41 the SA/EN text is supposed to very explicitly state if you need to reboot 07:14:06 (vs. just restarting all userland services vs. restarting just one service) 07:18:58 kevans: where do I find the announcements for the security updates ? 07:27:02 found it at https://www.freebsd.org/security/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-23:16.cap_net.asc 07:34:33 I guess although the advisory says to reboot, it was not needed. uname -a and freebsd-version -k say I'm on 13.2-RELEASE-p4. 07:41:53 It probably says to reboot because it updated a library that you need to get the old version out of memory. 09:53:27 mns: it'll work if you're not using it 10:23:36 eh. funny, I'm getting tons of kernel messages about processes dying on signal 11 during reboot on 14-RELEASE. what's weird is that it's all after the "All buffers synced." message. Some even after the "Uptime: ..." message. 10:43:53 I just ran pkg upgrade on a jail running a service using node19, and it abruptly deinstalled node19 10:44:06 why would upgrade deinstall something? 10:44:17 can I prevent it from happening again? 10:47:14 futunebot: probably to replace it with node20 10:47:37 yeah, that would have been fine, and I just did that manually 10:48:24 but it didn't replace, just deinstall 10:51:33 futunebot: ok. well that's odd. you can `pkg lock` packages to prevent them from getting automatically upgraded/replaced, but that has consequences on other packages that depend on it... 10:54:45 node19 has been removed from the ports in june 10:55:37 I don't need that particular version, but I do need some version of node 10:55:55 now, I only noticed because the service didn't come online after restart 10:56:22 is there a way to install a metapkg to always keep latest lts version, for example? 10:56:37 did I make some config mistake? 10:57:37 well, for languages such as nodejs, you better not rely on a default/latests metapackage 10:58:09 as versions have backward *and* forward incompatibilities 10:58:16 futunebot: hmm well there is a "meta port" called just "node" apparently. 11:00:30 www/node tracks the "latest" LTS node version 11:00:55 Hi, after upgrading to 13.2 I got my notebook environment broken. Does anyone know which package shall be installed to bring Jupyter Notebook back to life? 11:01:14 I have tried seveal, including py39-notebook 11:02:00 thanks guys, tht's what I should have installed before 11:05:11 well, it was a matter of deleteing old versions in /usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/.... 11:12:28 is 14.0-RELEASE already available via freebsd-update? 11:14:21 phryk: it's on the servers but it has not yet been officially released. They are adamant in saying that it has not yet been released. 11:15:39 rafe: okay, so they're waiting on a big poudriere build for pkg.freebsd.org or something? 11:20:26 phryk: possibly! I don't know 12:02:28 phryk: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current/2023-November/004980.html - no idea what is missing, though 12:02:30 Title: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule 12:19:43 aye, sounds like my assumption isn't far from truth. :) 12:25:25 uskerine_: you shouldn't manually delete stuff in /usr/local/lib/, so pkg didn't correctly remove the old version before installing the new one? 12:45:33 can wayland run with drm-515-kmod (intel 12th gen video) ? 12:46:21 sway fails to start with error: Kernel is too old (4.16+ required) or unusable for Iris 13:06:34 Anyone tried and succeeded in cross-compiling BoringSSL for FreeBSD? Any hints with respect to a CMake toolchain file? "[...]git/checkouts/boring-b37daebd62069023/3809a7e/boring-sys/deps/boringssl/src/crypto/fipsmodule/rand/urandom.c:237:53: error: use of undeclared identifier 'AT_EXECFN'" looks fishy. 13:10:30 ueberall: Last year tried it, ended up with horrible errors. (I needed it for installing OpenLiteSpeed web server) 13:11:58 ueberall: you mean https://www.freshports.org/security/boringssl/ ? 13:11:59 Title: FreshPorts -- security/boringssl: Fork of OpenSSL 13:14:29 nimaje: Yes, but not that copy; mine came from https://docs.rs/boring/latest/boring/ 13:14:29 Title: boring - Rust 13:16:29 so rust bindings for boringssl, does it have some way to tell it to link against the system version instead of building its own copy of boringssl? 13:18:50 That's an idea… if I can install boringssl under the specified "sysroot". 13:31:59 ueberall: https://docs.rs/boring/latest/boring/#support-for-pre-built-binaries-or-custom-source 13:32:01 Title: boring - Rust 13:37:12 hi all 13:38:03 is it out? version 14.x 13:41:35 seems like it needs some days still https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current/2023-November/004980.html 13:41:36 Title: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule 13:44:34 ok thx 13:49:11 nimaje: Thanks, I'm reading that atm. 14:45:06 Anyone use dhcpcd? I'm looking at the rc.d script installed by the port and it looks. . . lacking. 14:54:28 pkg info -l dhcpcd 14:55:02 it doesnt have /usr/local/etc/rc.d/dhcpcd ? 14:58:52 It does, I'm talking about the script itself. 14:59:05 Seems to have no tooling for specifying an interface. 15:08:50 https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/net/dhcpcd/files/dhcpcd.in 15:08:51 I can't test it now, but it doesn't look bad. 15:08:52 Title: dhcpcd.in « files « dhcpcd « net - ports - FreeBSD ports tree 15:16:04 what's your problem ? 15:22:51 babz: there's also https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/?h=vendor/dhcpcd&id=96dba636abec6d5451820add99300bda2ca6d86a or, there will be, any month now 15:22:52 Title: src - FreeBSD source tree 15:23:24 Okay, how do I specify the interface it runs on, within rc.conf & rc.d mechanism? 15:25:45 I see the $ifn variable, but there's no rc.conf syntax to specify it, or even dhcpcd_options. 16:02:43 hello i am trying to get serial output on my little experimental SBC but i struggle to set the baud rate and what the handbook tells me to do does not work 16:03:37 the baud rate of the device’s bootloader is 115200, and i get into the freeBSD bootloader at the same speed, i can get into the boot menu etc, but once it loads the kernel it only prints a gharbled mess like when you connect at the wrong speed 16:04:31 so i checked the handbook and the handbook says to recompile the kernel with "options CONSPEED=115200" but if i try that all i get is a make error and "unknown option "CONSPEED"" 16:29:46 seriously, how long has this article not seen an update? https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/serialcomms/ 16:29:47 Title: Chapter 29. Serial Communications | FreeBSD Documentation Portal 17:09:01 Does anyone know: when installing the mini-memstick version which does not contain the installation files, how does bsdinstall verify that the downloads are ok? hash, or signature, or? 17:15:49 CrtxReavr: it looks like a drop-in replacement for /etc/rc.d/dhclient 17:15:49 however I don't see any way to make /etc/network.subr use it 17:22:04 seems like this is still a thing, escape codes not parseable by /bin/sh: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=211360 17:22:06 Title: 211360 – ESC characters are not interpreted by /bin/sh 17:26:00 mns: they're sent to various lists... they're also posted to the website: https://www.freebsd.org/security/advisories/ and https://www.freebsd.org/security/notices/ 17:26:02 Title: FreeBSD Security Advisories | The FreeBSD Project 17:33:19 in a system that sets serial console mode in loader.conf, is there any way to override this when booting? 17:33:51 it appears that even with Video console set in the main screen, the loader.conf eventually overrides it 17:34:21 loader.conf should nt (and usually doesn't) override anything set in the menu by design 17:37:01 hmm, not sure what i did then. i configured it to use serial console some time ago and i've forgotten how. but in any case, when i set Video console in the menu, eventually the boot changes to dual console with serial primary 17:37:57 and luckily the boot from iso mechanism on the remote access software is not working 17:39:42 babz, not setup to try it yet, but I suspect it's by tweaking: dhclient_program="/sbin/dhclient" # Path to dhcp client program. 18:57:03 hmm, can't unset console setting in the loader and also can't override it with console=vidconsole - it remains comconsole,vidconsole 19:05:40 jmnbtslsQE: UEFI boot or BIOS? 19:06:03 comconsole and vidconsole would imply bios 19:06:29 did you set boot_serial in loader.conf? 19:08:59 unfortunately not sure what exactly is in loader.conf since it's been set to serial for a while. i don't remember that specific setting; i think it's more likely i would have set something like "console=comconsole,vidconsole" 19:09:22 yeah, it's BIOS 19:09:41 this is 12.4 in case it matters 19:24:15 Is there a better room to use to discuss zfs? 19:28:33 #zfs I think ? 19:28:34 If your question is freebsd-specific you can ask it here 19:40:53 Is the memstick.img suppose to be legacy bios bootable? 19:41:27 Because mine, upon loading /boot/loader just restarts 19:41:54 Which FreeBSD version? 19:42:02 14 19:45:09 Ok I am about the abandon this whole legacy bios thing 19:45:17 it seems that it's not really well supported 19:45:51 I only wanted to try it because I had a graphics issue, I saw somewhere that switching to legacy might help, so I wanted to weed out the easy things first 19:47:50 i use legacy bios exclusively but i've never run 14 19:47:57 Did you verify the checksums are correct? 20:04:41 can anyone try an openssl connect command and see if it works for you ? : openssl s_client -connect mail.ag.gov.tt:25 -starttls smtp 20:04:50 somehow this works on Linux, but not FreeBSD 20:04:57 Ugh! Something went wrong with my Samba DCs and replicated to them all and now none of the bind instances will start :/ 20:05:07 I mean, in FreeBSD it gets stuck for me at 'Connected' 20:06:39 last1: what were you expecting ? 20:07:29 to go past the connected text 20:07:41 negotiate cipher, etc, show the smtp prompt in the end 20:08:48 mns: can you try it ? What are you seeing ? 20:26:22 last1: I seem to get through the handshake just fine 20:28:34 kevans: which version of openssl are you using if you don't mind me asking 20:29:57 last1: 3.0.11 20:30:22 eh, it wouldn't matter, I just tried with an older FreeBSD with openssl 1.0.1p from 2015 and it connected 20:30:52 I don't understand, regular SMTP connects fine without TLS, I get the banner and everything. TLS connections hang at connected 20:35:53 last1, does the server log shed any light on it? 20:37:03 I don't have access to the server 20:43:28 Then I'd break out tcpdump or wireshark. 20:46:59 when it worked for you, which cipher was selected ? 20:49:51 I haven't tried. ISP won't let me SMTP out. 20:59:04 figured it out, sort of 20:59:07 it's pf 20:59:21 if I disable it, TLS handshake completes 21:07:28 last1: i can test. im at school right now 21:10:29 ok, but it seems to be an issue with the packet filter 21:10:45 I have pretty simple rules like: pass in quick on vmx0 all flags S/SA keep state 21:10:57 can that somehow block TLS negotiation in this particular case ? 21:12:24 last1: do you want me to run that command ? openssl s_client -connect mail.ag.gov.tt:25 -starttls smtp ? 21:13:02 sure, do you have pf enabled ? 21:13:11 probably not lol i'm new 21:13:21 what package is pf ? 21:13:32 any way to watch and see when pf is reloaded using 'service pf reload'? 21:13:34 it's the system firewall :) 21:13:41 aw proabbly not 21:22:31 not sure what was missing but adding scrub in all to my pf fixed the issue 21:22:41 for sure their firewall was messed up or something 21:50:44 hi, https://bpa.st/4JCQ any tip on why do I get invalid configuration for notebook while trying "service jail onestart notebook" ? first time with jails, thanks 21:50:45 Title: View paste 4JCQ 21:51:43 I am in doubt about host.hostname, my idea is to have several jails (it is a development environment) and having the DNS for "example.com" configured to point to local IP addresses 21:53:39 allow raw sockts 21:54:31 Starting jails:/etc/rc.d/jail: WARNING: Invalid configuration for notebook (no jail.conf, no hostname, or no path). Jail notebook was ignored. 21:54:45 still no luck after fixing the typo, seems something a bit more profound 21:55:44 you're going manual. i learned manual with this: https://clinta.github.io/freebsd-jails-the-hard-way/ 21:56:19 Thanks scoobybejesus , I will read that 21:57:28 semicolons missing on a couple lines might be it 21:58:24 interface might need quotes? 21:58:44 if none of that, i just wonder if the conf file is in a place jls will look for it 21:59:37 * meena didn't realize she does jails the hard way… 21:59:48 Now I see I skipped parts from the handbook..... I will do the homework again 22:01:58 btw, is there any online meetup or so about FreeBSD 22:02:09 Jails the hard way... docker ? 22:04:59 That depends on what you mean by "online meetup". There's #freebsd-social on IRC, if that counts for you. 22:05:21 so in thin jails, do jails share the environment with the actual box, or do the initial download of the FreeBSD 13.2 image will be shared for all thin jails? 22:05:36 Well I used to attend some C++ meetups, they do talks and things like that 22:10:07 Oh. I don't know, then. Maybe look at Community > User groups on https://www.freebsd.org/ . 22:10:08 Title: The FreeBSD Project 22:25:37 uskerine_: from the way I know, using bastille, thin jails share the base image, hence they're thin. that way you can update the base image, and it will propogate to the thin jails. 23:30:19 wonder if other folks encounter this.. https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=208911 23:30:20 Title: 208911 – devel/libedit: removes escape characters from prompt