I have a headless freebsd system, how did wayland get installed on it ? must be an intermittent dependency

yep, most likely

how do I find out what requires wayland ?

pkg query %rn wayland

thanks, rtprio

mns: 👍

hmmm mesa-libs, vulkan-loader, and libva. Those last two are for ffmpeg, not sure why I would have that installed. oh well time for some cleanup

run pkg query again and you can find that out

ffmpeg might have been installed to convert files, even on a headless system?

RhodiumToad: yeah, but it ends up pulling in wayland.

rtprio: pkg query ffmpeg ? or with %rn ?

ffmpeg has a VULKAN option which is on by default

RhodiumToad, yes. I just deleted vulkan-loader and libva and since I used --recursive it removed ffmpeg as well.

libva is from ffmpeg's VAAPI option

I guess this is why probably better to build then use pkg, but I'm just too lazy.

depends. my ffmpeg was installd by youtube_dl

mine didn't have anything, so it was by me.

meaning 'pkg query %rn ffmpeg' returned nothing

unless some of the options are wholly incompatible, it's usually easier to let pkg do the default, ive found

rather than try to stop out weird dependancies

normally that's what I do, and am aware that mixing between ports and pkg isn't normally a good idea

mns: that's not always true these days

well glad to hear that its not true these days

Also, in my experience (and seemingly corroborated by others experiences), nVidia drivers suck and their Vulkan support is no exception.

Seriously Nvidia? NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules #538

Title: KDE Plasma Wayland poor performance & frame drops when opening apps · Issue #538 · NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules · GitHub

538 – MAP_FILE not mentioned in mmap man page. bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=538

Yeah... at this point their open driver is just a way for them to scope up "free labor" in the form of github contributor PRs and reap it back to the proprietary zone

you exposed them, good work

I don't know why you're being facetious but I wasn't paying attention to any of this

the handbook instructions for Wayland skips over the part of creating /var/run/user/`id -u` with a cryptic message when trying to run sway

something about XDG_HOME ?

nerozero: here's what DLange found about the cron thing: bsd.network/@dvl/110792032810771269

Title: Dan Langille: "@meena⊙cc @mibh⊙fo Usually…" - BSD Network

i like that a bit better, cuz I just looks at the day

less variables, seems harder to mess up :D

meena, thank you for keeping watching for my question

respect

THANKS !

my VM is still showing 27th…

i wonder if once my vsock project is over, libvirt will be sending time updates over vsock??

and if so, who's gonna listen out of that?

qemu-project.gitlab.io/qemu/interop/qemu-ga.html Transport method: one of unix-listen, virtio-serial, or isa-serial, or vsock-listen (virtio-serial is the default).

Title: QEMU Guest Agent — QEMU documentation

XDG_RUNTIME_DIR needs to be set for Sway to run and the handbook suggests export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/var/run/user/`id -u` but this directory does not exist and Sway reports it can't open a socket

meena, i get those same problems from virtualbox. pretty frustrating when you want to suspend a host, wake up the following day and the time is behind

CmdLnKid: especially since the VM doesn't know it was suspended, and as such, doesn't run /etc/rc.resume

no additions installed as they are very old now

yep

most my trouble is on shutdown since there is no signal sent to the vm arch for a proper shutdown then it just gets suspended instead and no watch for a full shutdown

its either suspended or aborted

with ZFS i don't really notice any damage done… so, yay zfs?

yeah thast the lifesaver here

anyway, now that the washing machine is finished, i can go have a shower. which is much better than staring at C code especially if it's GPL licensed.

lol

that better be a freebsd powered washing machine

;-)

CmdLnKid: i really hope that washing machine isn't running any "real" OS i know, but chances are it is running one

ikr

its running BASIC

it's much cheaper these days to buy ""micro" controllers" that are basically fully fledged CPUs, which should seem ridiculous for something that has less than eight buttons, but that's the world we live in

damnit meena go get your dirty bsd in the shower ;)

tonights dinner... bacon, salad & dressing

mmmm bacon

Guys, what is the best TOTP authentication PAM module for FreeBSD that you really use? (except pam_google_authenticator)

devnull: i'd like to know as well, because i wont' run anything with "google" in the name

Demosthenex, yes. I may be crazy, but not that crazy.

i usually leave that to appliances for remmote authentication like openvpn.net or fudosecurity.com

Title: Privileged Access Management Solutions for Enhanced Cybersecurity | PAM Systems | Fudo Security

fyi wheel systems if freebsd derived.

devnull: doesn't need crazy to avoid evil.

i installed btop yesterday, that's slick

just can't seem to get it to show io activity by zpool

signified by disks

afaik it isnt fs centric

CmdLnKid: there's an option in the menu that describes showing zpools

ok thnkx

doesn't seem to work ;]

going through a install right now of stable that ive beeb waiiting for

goinng to havve to check that out

devnull: if you have Yubi keys, you could go that route

i like my yubikey. PKCS/PIV mode for protected ssh keys

i'm even doing usb forwarding into an ubuntu vm in virtualbox, and remote to citrix.

those are awesonee

afraid the use, makes you neg of thee security posture tho

cut off a thumb and you still have a security mark

not that im that dude but just mentioning both sides

what?

its not a fingerprint scanner

meena yes, I have yubikey. But I want to do this for users that access my host via ssh. ssh public key + otp

Is ssh forwarding an option? I use that with my yubikeys to get into to any system without ever entering sensitive info on a remote system

Erhard: ssh agent forwarding works with yubi

but make sure you enable touch required to authenticate

Of course.

I do that even locally

so, it's dangerous to forward agent across hosts,MITM can happen

but with the yubi set to require touch, it will blink and if you weren't using it, you know something is up

Yes, and it will not auth without the touch

Of course I would try to avoid hopping, but sometimes you have to if there is a border box, etc.

Certainly beats entering credentials or copying keys to a remote box to get to a third box.

that requires knowinng your hardware "blink blink" thats what ???

If you mean someone could fool you by timing one auth request off the key right when you were expecting another, then yes, that is a remote posibility

But you don't go randomly touching the key unless you know you are using it.

Demosthenex security/oath-toolkit worked very well!

does drm-kmod support Alder Lake-UP3 GT2 [UHD Graphics] on 13.2-RELEASE?

I get "(EE) Cannot run in framebuffer mode. Please specify busIDs for all framebuffer devices"

if i start vncviewer i have name does not resolve (8) error. however i havent change anything in resolv.conf... 🤨

how are you calling vncviewer

pertho, run pciconf -l | egrep '^vgapci', copy the pci address (something like 11:22:33), then open /usr/local/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-main.conf with a text editor and change the busID from the Device section. reload x11 or reboot and you should be set

rodri: there is no such file 10-main.conf in that directory

rtprio: vncviewer as root

there's just 10-quirks.conf, 20-evdev-kbd.conf, and 40-libinput.conf

pertho, hmm, damn. do you have anything in /usr/local/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/?

yes. those files I mentioned above

i am looking for tigervnc alternatives. tiger is shit...😒 I am trying remmina. i remember was wroking many years ago on windows. maybe would work for me on bsd also with bhyve...🙄

oh that's /usr/local/share/X11/xorg.conf.d.. /usr/local/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d is empty

you could create one and put the following in there:

Section "Device"

Identifier "Card0"

Driver "modesetting"

BusID "PCI:41:0:0"

EndSection

with your gpu BDF instead

tyler82: .... lik what command, with arguments did you run?

i love tigervnc :)

isn't tigervnc discontinued?

no idea tbh. it works like a charm for me though

rodri: because it is working for u 😁

(EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory

(yes I am in video group and no that file doesn't exist)

rtprio: no arg. just plain "vncviewer"

if I kldunload i915kms and kldload it.. no output.. I guess my chipset isn't supported :(

maybe FreeBSD 14 will support it

pertho, what do you have in /dev/dri?

there is no /dev/dri directory

nah. with remmina does work bhyve now. 😃 I donno whats wrong with tigervnc. complains about hostname resolving 🙄

:(

pertho, not supported then, yeah. too bad

yeah.. I guess Intel Iris XE / Alder Lake isn't supported yet

fwiw, this is the first time i've heard Intel Xe cards mentioned on FreeBSD

trust me, I'd know

:)

maybe you could get away with VESA. at least to get some graphics

tyler82: what hostname are you using?

Title: Pasteboard - Uploaded Image

vgapci0@pci0:0:2:0: class=0x030000 rev=0x0c hdr=0x00 vendor=0x8086 device=0x4628 subvendor=0x1558 subdevice=0x4150

rtprio: lenovoPC

and did you put lenovopc in to dns or /etc/hosts ?

rodri: yeah though Vesa is pretty awful

rtprio: nope...🫣

so of course it's not going to work

why not try the ip address

pertho, better than nothing. otherwise: linux-hardware.org/?id=pci:8086-4628-17aa-50a0

Title: Intel Alder Lake-UP3 GT2 [UHD Graphics]

it seems to be available for linux >=5.14. i don't know if CURRENT targets beyond that

rtprio: ok. will try later on. but remmina has not got this problem....🙄

i don't know what remmina is

an old neighbor of mine

ah no, that was romina

rtprio: tiger vnc alternative remmina.org

Title: Remote desktop client with RDP, SSH, SPICE, VNC, and X2Go protocol support. - Remmina

oh

rodri: latest I can find is 5.10

pertho, forums.freebsd.org/threads/freebsd-…-amd-gpu-support.88489/#post-603322

Title: FreeBSD 14.0 and AMD GPU support | The FreeBSD Forums

> Linux 5.16 drm-kmod is also available from the current drm-kmod "main" (master) branch Github repository. It is to 100 % completed in porting.

you might be in luck

rodri: will it compile on 13.2?

try it