00:20:01 <mns> I have a headless freebsd system, how did wayland get installed on it ?  must be an intermittent dependency
00:26:36 <rtprio> yep, most likely
00:27:04 <mns> how do I find out what requires wayland ?
00:29:01 <rtprio> pkg query %rn wayland
00:35:16 <mns> thanks, rtprio
00:35:47 <rtprio> mns: 👍
00:38:37 <mns> hmmm mesa-libs, vulkan-loader, and libva.  Those last two are for ffmpeg, not sure why I would have that installed.  oh well time for some cleanup
00:39:05 <rtprio> run pkg query again and you can find that out
00:43:04 <RhodiumToad> ffmpeg might have been installed to convert files, even on a headless system?
00:45:24 <mns> RhodiumToad: yeah, but it ends up pulling in wayland.
00:45:41 <mns> rtprio: pkg query ffmpeg ?  or with %rn ?
00:46:23 <RhodiumToad> ffmpeg has a VULKAN option which is on by default
00:47:41 <mns> RhodiumToad, yes.  I just deleted vulkan-loader and libva and since I used --recursive it removed ffmpeg as well.
00:47:56 <RhodiumToad> libva is from ffmpeg's VAAPI option
00:48:49 <mns> I guess this is why probably better to build then use pkg, but I'm just too lazy.
00:49:24 <rtprio> depends. my ffmpeg was installd by youtube_dl
00:50:25 <mns> mine didn't have anything, so it was by me.
00:51:41 <mns> meaning 'pkg query %rn ffmpeg' returned nothing
00:54:53 <rtprio> unless some of the options are wholly incompatible, it's usually easier to let pkg do the default, ive found
00:55:02 <rtprio> rather than try to stop out weird dependancies
00:56:30 <mns> normally that's what I do,  and am aware that mixing between ports and pkg isn't normally a good idea
03:36:53 <rtprio> mns: that's not always true these days
03:50:53 <mns> well glad to hear that its not true these days
11:44:32 <_xor> Also, in my experience (and seemingly corroborated by others experiences), nVidia drivers suck and their Vulkan support is no exception.
11:45:06 * _xor is surprised he got Hyprland to work with nVidia
12:23:59 * kenrap is wondering how nvidia's open drivers are progressing these days since it's been over a year since they made it was available on github
12:32:59 <kenrap> Seriously Nvidia? https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules/issues/538
12:33:01 <VimDiesel> Title: KDE Plasma Wayland poor performance & frame drops when opening apps · Issue #538 · NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules · GitHub
12:33:01 <VimDiesel> 538 – MAP_FILE not mentioned in mmap man page. https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=538
12:37:18 <kenrap> Yeah... at this point their open driver is just a way for them to scope up "free labor" in the form of github contributor PRs and reap it back to the proprietary zone
12:48:55 <yuripv> you exposed them, good work
12:50:10 <kenrap> I don't know why you're being facetious but I wasn't paying attention to any of this
14:16:09 <PyR3X> the handbook instructions for Wayland skips over the part of creating /var/run/user/`id -u` with a cryptic message when trying to run sway
14:22:33 <rtprio> something about XDG_HOME ?
14:24:33 <meena> nerozero: here's what DLange found about the cron thing: https://bsd.network/@dvl/110792032810771269
14:24:37 <VimDiesel> Title: Dan Langille: "@meena⊙cc @mibh⊙fo Usually…" - BSD Network
14:25:33 <meena> i like that a bit better, cuz I just looks at the day
14:25:58 <meena> less variables, seems harder to mess up :D
14:26:10 <nerozero> meena, thank you for keeping watching for my question
14:26:11 <nerozero> respect
14:26:13 <nerozero> THANKS !
14:31:27 <meena> my VM is still showing 27th…
14:32:04 <meena> i wonder if once my vsock project is over, libvirt will be sending time updates over vsock??
14:32:17 <meena> and if so, who's gonna listen out of that?
14:32:42 * meena downloads qemu-guest-agent source code…
14:34:09 <meena> https://qemu-project.gitlab.io/qemu/interop/qemu-ga.html     Transport method: one of unix-listen, virtio-serial, or isa-serial, or vsock-listen (virtio-serial is the default).
14:34:10 <VimDiesel> Title: QEMU Guest Agent — QEMU documentation
14:34:41 <PyR3X> XDG_RUNTIME_DIR needs to be set for Sway to run and the handbook suggests export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/var/run/user/`id -u` but this directory does not exist and Sway reports it can't open a socket
14:35:33 <CmdLnKid> meena, i get those same problems from virtualbox. pretty frustrating when you want to suspend a host, wake up the following day and the time is behind
14:36:05 <meena> CmdLnKid: especially since the VM doesn't know it was suspended, and as such, doesn't run /etc/rc.resume
14:36:11 <CmdLnKid> no additions installed as they are very old now
14:36:23 <CmdLnKid> yep
14:38:29 <CmdLnKid> most my trouble is on shutdown since there is no signal sent to the vm arch for a proper shutdown then it just gets suspended instead and no watch for a full shutdown
14:39:28 <CmdLnKid> its either suspended or aborted
14:40:14 <meena> with ZFS i don't really notice any damage done… so, yay zfs?
14:40:37 <CmdLnKid> yeah thast the lifesaver here
14:41:18 <meena> anyway, now that the washing machine is finished, i can go have a shower. which is much better than staring at C code especially if it's GPL licensed.
14:42:23 <CmdLnKid> lol
14:42:43 <CmdLnKid> that better be a freebsd powered washing machine
14:42:47 <CmdLnKid> ;-)
14:44:06 <meena> CmdLnKid: i really hope that washing machine isn't running any "real" OS i know, but chances are it is running one
14:44:21 <CmdLnKid> ikr
14:45:04 <CmdLnKid> its running BASIC
14:45:06 <meena> it's much cheaper these days to buy ""micro" controllers" that are basically fully fledged CPUs, which should seem ridiculous for something that has less than eight buttons, but that's the world we live in
14:48:20 <CmdLnKid> damnit meena go get your dirty bsd in the shower ;)
14:51:55 <CmdLnKid> tonights dinner... bacon, salad & dressing
14:59:30 <Demosthenex> mmmm bacon
15:34:26 <devnull> Guys, what is the best TOTP authentication PAM module for FreeBSD that you really use? (except pam_google_authenticator)
15:37:54 <Demosthenex> devnull: i'd like to know as well, because i wont' run anything with "google" in the name
15:40:01 <devnull> Demosthenex, yes. I may be crazy, but not that crazy.
15:40:05 <CmdLnKid> i usually leave that to appliances for remmote authentication like openvpn.net or https://fudosecurity.com
15:40:07 <VimDiesel> Title: Privileged Access Management Solutions for Enhanced Cybersecurity | PAM Systems | Fudo Security
15:41:57 <CmdLnKid> fyi wheel systems if freebsd derived.
15:42:32 <Demosthenex> devnull: doesn't need crazy to avoid evil.
15:57:58 <Demosthenex> i installed btop yesterday, that's slick
15:58:09 <Demosthenex> just can't seem to get it to show io activity by zpool
16:13:27 <CmdLnKid> signified by disks
16:13:49 <CmdLnKid> afaik it isnt fs centric
16:36:41 <Demosthenex> CmdLnKid: there's an option in the menu that describes showing zpools
16:37:12 <CmdLnKid> ok thnkx
16:37:26 <Demosthenex> doesn't seem to work ;]
16:38:26 <CmdLnKid> going through a install right now of stable that ive beeb waiiting for
16:38:44 <CmdLnKid> goinng to havve to check that out
16:50:33 <meena> devnull: if you have Yubi keys, you could go that route
16:52:19 <Demosthenex> i like my yubikey. PKCS/PIV mode for protected ssh keys
16:52:42 <Demosthenex> i'm even doing usb forwarding into an ubuntu vm in virtualbox, and remote to citrix.
16:53:33 <CmdLnKid> those are awesonee
16:54:40 <CmdLnKid> afraid the use, makes you neg of thee security posture tho
16:55:33 <CmdLnKid> cut off a thumb and you still have a security mark
16:56:12 <CmdLnKid> not that im that dude but just mentioning both sides
16:57:19 <Demosthenex> what?
16:57:23 <Demosthenex> its not a fingerprint scanner
16:57:42 <devnull> meena yes, I have yubikey. But I want to do this for users that access my host via ssh. ssh public key + otp
16:58:41 <Erhard> Is ssh forwarding an option? I use that with my yubikeys to get into to any system without ever entering sensitive info on a remote system
17:00:03 <Demosthenex> Erhard: ssh agent forwarding works with yubi
17:00:11 <Demosthenex> but make sure you enable touch required to authenticate
17:00:18 <Erhard> Of course.
17:00:22 <Erhard> I do that even locally
17:00:59 <Demosthenex> so, it's dangerous to forward agent across hosts,MITM can happen
17:01:20 <Demosthenex> but with the yubi set to require touch, it will blink and if you weren't using it, you know something is up
17:01:42 <Erhard> Yes, and it will not auth without the touch
17:02:08 <Erhard> Of course I would try to avoid hopping, but sometimes you have to if there is a border box, etc.
17:02:46 <Erhard> Certainly beats entering credentials or copying keys to a remote box to get to a third box.
17:03:03 <CmdLnKid> that requires knowinng your hardware "blink blink" thats what ???
17:03:52 <Erhard> If you mean someone could fool you by timing one auth request off the key right when you were expecting another, then yes, that is a remote posibility
17:04:28 <Erhard> But you don't go randomly touching the key unless you know you are using it.
21:09:55 <devnull> Demosthenex security/oath-toolkit worked very well!
21:29:57 <pertho> does drm-kmod support Alder Lake-UP3 GT2 [UHD Graphics] on 13.2-RELEASE?
21:33:15 <pertho> I get "(EE) Cannot run in framebuffer mode. Please specify busIDs for all framebuffer devices"
21:46:45 <tyler82> if i start vncviewer i have name does not resolve (8) error. however i havent change anything in resolv.conf... 🤨
21:54:20 <rtprio> how are you calling vncviewer
21:58:05 <rodri> pertho, run pciconf -l | egrep '^vgapci', copy the pci address (something like 11:22:33), then open /usr/local/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-main.conf with a text editor and change the busID from the Device section. reload x11 or reboot and you should be set
21:59:47 <pertho> rodri: there is no such file 10-main.conf in that directory
22:00:29 <tyler82> rtprio: vncviewer as root
22:00:32 <pertho> there's just 10-quirks.conf, 20-evdev-kbd.conf, and 40-libinput.conf
22:01:45 <rodri> pertho, hmm, damn. do you have anything in /usr/local/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/?
22:02:34 <pertho> yes. those files I mentioned above
22:02:52 <tyler82> i am looking for tigervnc alternatives. tiger is shit...😒 I am trying remmina. i remember was wroking many years ago on windows. maybe would work for me on bsd also with bhyve...🙄
22:03:19 <pertho> oh that's /usr/local/share/X11/xorg.conf.d.. /usr/local/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d is empty
22:03:47 <rodri> you could create one and put the following in there:
22:03:47 <rodri> Section "Device"
22:03:47 <rodri> 	Identifier  "Card0"
22:03:47 <rodri> 	Driver      "modesetting"
22:03:48 <rodri> 	BusID       "PCI:41:0:0"
22:03:48 <rodri> EndSection
22:03:49 <rodri> with your gpu BDF instead
22:04:30 <rtprio> tyler82: .... lik what command, with arguments did you run?
22:04:50 <rodri> i love tigervnc :)
22:05:26 <pertho> isn't tigervnc discontinued?
22:06:00 <rodri> no idea tbh. it works like a charm for me though
22:06:49 <tyler82> rodri: because it is working for u 😁
22:07:21 <pertho> (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory
22:07:30 <pertho> (yes I am in video group and no that file doesn't exist)
22:07:31 <tyler82> rtprio: no arg. just plain "vncviewer"
22:07:47 <pertho> if I kldunload i915kms and kldload it.. no output.. I guess my chipset isn't supported :(
22:08:06 <pertho> maybe FreeBSD 14 will support it
22:08:51 <rodri> pertho, what do you have in /dev/dri?
22:09:26 <pertho> there is no /dev/dri directory
22:09:32 <tyler82> nah. with remmina does work bhyve now. 😃 I donno whats wrong with tigervnc. complains about hostname resolving 🙄
22:09:33 <rodri> :(
22:09:51 <rodri> pertho, not supported then, yeah. too bad
22:09:57 <pertho> yeah.. I guess Intel Iris XE / Alder Lake isn't supported yet
22:11:51 <Xe> fwiw, this is the first time i've heard Intel Xe cards mentioned on FreeBSD
22:11:56 <Xe> trust me, I'd know
22:12:03 <pertho> :)
22:12:29 <rodri> maybe you could get away with VESA. at least to get some graphics
22:13:05 <rtprio> tyler82: what hostname are you using?
22:15:25 <tyler82> https://pasteboard.co/K9NnyS3E76gF.jpg
22:15:26 <VimDiesel> Title: Pasteboard - Uploaded Image
22:15:48 <pertho> vgapci0@pci0:0:2:0:     class=0x030000 rev=0x0c hdr=0x00 vendor=0x8086 device=0x4628 subvendor=0x1558 subdevice=0x4150
22:15:58 <tyler82> rtprio: lenovoPC
22:16:24 <rtprio> and did you put lenovopc in to dns or /etc/hosts ?
22:17:04 <pertho> rodri: yeah though Vesa is pretty awful
22:17:45 <tyler82> rtprio: nope...🫣
22:18:07 <rtprio> so of course it's not going to work
22:18:20 <rtprio> why not try the ip address
22:18:43 <rodri> pertho, better than nothing. otherwise: https://linux-hardware.org/?id=pci:8086-4628-17aa-50a0
22:18:44 <VimDiesel> Title: Intel Alder Lake-UP3 GT2 [UHD Graphics]
22:19:19 <rodri> it seems to be available for linux >=5.14. i don't know if CURRENT targets beyond that
22:19:28 <tyler82> rtprio: ok. will try later on. but remmina has not got this problem....🙄
22:19:44 <rtprio> i don't know what remmina is
22:20:33 <rodri> an old neighbor of mine
22:20:38 <rodri> ah no, that was romina
22:22:48 <tyler82> rtprio: tiger vnc alternative https://remmina.org/
22:22:49 <VimDiesel> Title: Remote desktop client with RDP, SSH, SPICE, VNC, and X2Go protocol support. - Remmina
22:26:14 <rtprio> oh
22:26:14 <pertho> rodri: latest I can find is 5.10
22:35:45 <rodri> pertho, https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/freebsd-14-0-and-amd-gpu-support.88489/#post-603322
22:35:46 <VimDiesel> Title: FreeBSD 14.0 and AMD GPU support | The FreeBSD Forums
22:36:05 <rodri> > Linux 5.16 drm-kmod is also available from the current drm-kmod "main" (master) branch Github repository. It is to 100 % completed in porting.
22:36:26 <rodri> you might be in luck
22:51:29 <pertho> rodri: will it compile on 13.2?
23:05:09 <yuripv> try it