evening

sorry for the part/join dawned on me to set up irssi on my main freebsd server, not one of my home boxes

there we go, installing screen / irssi and sasl on three machines helps the memory

"pidfd_open - obtain a file descriptor that refers to a process"

^-- Is there a call on FreeBSD similar to that? or at least which one(s) are closest that I could use to implement a function to mimic it?

what are you trying to do exactly ?

Porting a project to FreeBSD. Two errors where it tries to call pidfd_open and waitid, both of which are Linux-specific. They seem relatively straightforward though (on the surface at least).

maybe you're looking for man.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=pdfork&sektion=2 ?

Title: pdfork(2)

That looks pretty close to what I need.

Though in the source of this project, right above where it invokes the call, there's a comment: "// pidfd_open sets `O_CLOEXEC` by default, without requiring a flag."

you can set PD_CLOEXEC

worth a shot.. at least you'd know if this works for you or not :)

Yup, I need to find all call sites though and make sure to do what it expects.

you can always do a #IF __FBSD__ or some such  ..

Though I'm now searching the full codebase and it might not even be calling the function. The library that implements it has a compile guard that errors on anything but Linux. I might just be able to patch-remove that.

what are you porting exactly ?

Yup, that's what I might do. This is a combination of rust + c.

Title: GitHub - JakeStanger/ironbar: Customisable gtk-layer-shell wlroots/sway bar written in rust.

i'd hoped rust people would do better than putting if not Linux, fuck off. given all the tools at their disposal

meena yeah..

btw, where can I direct a very specific PF question? mailing list or bug tracker (even though it's not a bug..)

since it's too long a text to write here, I added the question in paste: bsd.to/wLnm

Title: dpaste/wLnm (Plain Text)

Onepamopa, Could ask on -questions list

where, exactly? kindly provide the full email..

Onepamopa, Subscribe to the list at lists.freebsd.org/subscription/freebsd-questions ; after replying to confirmation email, you should be able to post to the list

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I've just tried make delete-old-libs . It broke many packages on my system. Is it safe to use ? How can I see ports using a specific lib ?

now when I try git pull I have error message about libss needed by libssh. But both are installed with the system. I have no port to rebuild.

Midjak: what version of freebsd?

what about make reinstall? also, i think your question is on the todo list (import the data into a database)

rtprio, CURRENT

mushbox, I don't understand. I need to make resintall all broken ports yes

usually on updates all the packages/ports befor make-delete-old

I did that

pkg upgrade / portupgrade -a

well with portmaster

how can I fix this issue with libssl ?

then you didn't install the world correctly

I don't know I follow the guide

make installworld

ok, let's check; do you have /usr/lib/libssl.so.30 ?

I did that docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/cutting-edge

Title: Chapter 26. Updating and Upgrading FreeBSD | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

yes I have

if you followed _all_ steps in docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/…ting-edge/#updating-src-quick-start

Title: Chapter 26. Updating and Upgrading FreeBSD | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

Yes I did

You are sure it is due to me ?

yes

How do you know that ?

because the freebsd developers are generally careful about these things

let's verify; let's see ls -al /usr/lib/libssl.so.30

I am carefull about thes thing too...

it's easy to have unknowns in a first upgrade, kinda sounds like it

YES rtprio I have libssl

ok, and what exact error message are you seeing when you, git pull, you said?

if you built your ports before updating current from before the openssl 3.x merge to after it, then you'll need to rebuild a lot of ports

ld-elf.so.1: shared object "libssl.so.111" not found, required by libssh2.so.1

right, you built your port when base ssl was still version 1.1.1

and it's since been updated to 3.x

there is a package libssh2 but I have never installed it

that's irrelevant

it's a required package for something else

you will need to rebuild the affected ports

i thought you said you updated your packages/ rebuilt your ports?

I answer rtprio RhodiumToad

this indicates that you ... did not

What is indicated I did not ?

I never manage libssl nor libssh

because you still have libssl errors

the fact that git is still expecting the old openssl version rather than the new one shows that it was not rebuilt

doesn't manage if it's unmanaged, you still haven't updated it

I just rebuilt git

if you're using ports, note that it's not enough to reinstall the port if the old build is still in /usr/obj, you actually have to rebuild it

e.g. do make do-clean first

(the ports makefiles won't rebuild the port if the old build is still there)

make do-clean on git port or in /usr/src ?

in /usr/ports/devel/git

* in /usr/ports ^, i think toad means?

portmaster has a force rebuild option too

i'm a fan of `rm -Rf /usr/ports/*/*/work`

yeah, for some reason make clean doesn't always remove everything

BTW the guide doesn't give the same step in different section

I'm a fan of using WRKDIRPREFIX to not pollute /usr/ports with work/ dirs

in 26.6.1 and 26.6.4

e.g. using WRKDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj lets you do rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/ports

that's not a bad idea either

also throw portmaster away and use poudriere

i might try out WRKDIRPREFIX=/tmp

(and I say this as someone who was an avid portmaster user back in the day)

i've never used portmaster, but current packages seem fine, and portupgrade works although i have mixed feelings about ruby

So if i sumarize I need to rebuild all port after a kernel upgrade. That's it ?

Midjak: it's not needed all the time, but a good habit to be in

it's just irrealistic

if it's a major version upgrade the ABI has changed

CURRENT explicitly does not have a stable ABI, which means you need to rebuild ports frequently, any time _FreeBSD_version changes

otherwise you don't need to

if you want a stable ABI that's what -stable is for

posrtmaster is not a choice it's the tool the gui recommands. So when you are new with freebsd you follow the guide.

the guide

Midjak: you just rebuild the whole os, and updating the packages is unrealiastic?

current is not for everyone

yes rtprio you have the point

but current is installed

i've had some rather collosal current failures

update all package yes it's unrealistic, sure....

Just firefox... LOL

not at all, not with the many tools to do it for you

if I had to do it all over again, I'd install the 13 with poudriere

but now it's a current with package installed with portmaster

idk, can you upgrade to an older version?

you can stop using portmaster

je préfèrerai pas

I'd rather not

sorry

unfortunately more and more software referenced in ports assume building in clean/isolated environments anymore

stop using portmaster I plan to do that taking the time.

because i don't know how to deal with already installed package

you could, also use packages, i've not a had a problem with them;

but I plan tobuild all port from poudriere indeed

that's great

one problem i have with poudriere, how do you wipe out old jails?

old?

unused

poudriere jail -d

when I started freebsd (near 2015) I used pkg but I have quickly to switch to ports because version were outdated

oh with poudriere... does that clear the file system too?

what do you mean?

i mean if you rm -rf a jail you can't get rid of it

what poudriere does is to create a bunch of jails, use them to build the list of ports you gave it into packages, then delete them all

nothing is left behind but the packages and the logfiles

yeah, i mean the jail itself on the file system

> right, you built your port when base ssl was still version 1.1.1

How does libssl upgrade from 1.0 to 3.0 in few days ?

the change was merged into CURRENT in one commit? you can check the date

ok just try to understand

it's part of what delayed 14 release

it happened around June 23rd

How do you search that RhodiumToad ?

I think I could be from git command line but it doesn't work

I tried from web interface but I don't find

I just did a git log and searched for openssl

yes the web interface in not usable

not for a project like that anyway

since this came with an ABI version bump, look at the file history of sys/sys/param.h

good idea to bookmark it when using -CURRENT lol

So if I try to sumarize

vishwin: oh, good idea

for upgrade. make buildworld then upgrade all port then make buildkernel and next steps. Am I right ?

no, not right

update all ports at the end

what are the steps so ?

then delete old libs

ok

so I need to rebuild only when I want clean /usr/obj ?

well ok for that (I will do that)

for now how can I fix my issue ?

when you want to clean /usr/obj you can just rm -Rf /usr/obj/* ; i don't understand your question

issue? we already told you, rebuild all ports or update all packages

I talked bout this docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/…/#updating-src-completing-check-old

Title: Chapter 26. Updating and Upgrading FreeBSD | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

I never try to remove /usr/obj

Midjak: "Programs which were still using those old libraries will stop working when the library has been deleted. These programs must be rebuilt or replaced after deleting the old libraries."

it says it right there, what we've been trying to explain to you

I didn't ask you about this

my issue was that: now when I try git pull I have error message about libss needed by libssh. But both are installed with the system. I have no port to rebuild.

libssh is a port

I didn't use it

I never installed ti

ssh is installed with freebsd

you know that ports can install, more ports

you know it ask you at the end pf the process

install process

firefox, as you mentioned, has like 140 dependant ports. they _all_ need updated if you want your shit to work

sorry but it's not clear.

yes I will see for firefox

but it's not my problem right now

i don't understand what the problem is. you need to update the ports you installed and all the ports you didn't install.

git pull doesn't work

i don't understand what the problem is. you need to update the ports you installed and all the ports you didn't install yourself that are installed on the system..

I need to pull the /usr/port

here's an idea, to get you going again, try `pkg update; pkg upgrade git`

you also don't need the latest git, you just need to rebuild git

OR ; `cd /usr/ports/devel/git; make clean; make install`

I did that. I just tried pkg install and got the same error

do the other one; i forgot that pkg rquires libssl also

RhodiumToad, just reread your answers what is make do-clean where I must do that ? Is it documented somewhere ?

rtprio, libssh2 ?

clean is documented in `man ports`

make clean in a port dir is recursive, it cleans the dependencies too

make do-clean just cleans the current port

ok I did that too

what is weird is libssh2 is not installed

how do you figure?

when I try whereis libssh2 I see the port but not the path where the lib should be installed

that's not how whereis works, iirc

pkg-static info libssh2

yes I found it

it's a curl requirement

I reinstall curl

but problem persists

I could remove libssh2 but this removes 76 dependant packages.

thats why

as i have said several times now

rebuild all packages

just as I have said several time, SSH and CURL are installed WITH Freebsd. they are not pacakages ?

they are both

curl is not installed with freebsd

ssh is both

SSH

but it's good it works

you could have been done 20 minutes ago

Do you know how I fixed it ?

It turns out that if you're planning to do pkg upgrade -f, it's probably a good idea to do pkg update -f first, even if pkg-upgrade doesn't tell you to do so. Who knew.

at this point i'm starting to not care givien your propensity for not following along

to continue accept rebuilding all packages ;p

Well I don't follow you right now

glad it works.

thanks I will consider to swtich to 13

poudrier is on going

hello

hi

ive been considering on making some sort of shell script collection recently

since ive been using freebsd for almost two months and have managed to even start thinking of mantaining some ports i might as well make something that will allow people to set up a desktop with ports easily

i seem to recall something like this existing already

yeah i know

but this one would be more suited towards port development and stuff like that

like, setting up a vm for port building and such

there are tools for that already as well

ooh, thats cool

i guess ill just stick with my original idea of just making a script that should reinstall all the configs i need for my own desktop in case i end up accidentally formatting my drives again

(which happened to me time ago

(like, a few weeks ago, no backups either)

there's tools for that also; puppet, salt, ansible, etc

yeah i know about ansible and all that

they can be kind of overkill

agreed

I have a setup script that I use on my own machines

id rather have something i can execute almost instantly after installing

you could just make a carefully constructed tar and extract it

it's a bit more complicated than that if you want to cope with changes in the OS

yeah

i want my script to at least support all the versions freebsd hasnt eoled yet

my script does a lot of files by just using cat <<EOF so that they can be edited easily in the script

damn thats cool

some files like host keys are restored from an encrypted archive

i was thinking of just copying some config files lol

passwords are set from an encrypted data block in the script

damn thats cool

i actually got bhyve working for a windows vm which ill be using for photoshop like yesterday too

(though if I go for a long time without having to use it, there is the risk of forgetting the password)

yea

i have a thing to say though, does bhyve support resolutions higher than 1024x768? i heard it could go to 1920x1200 once

puddinghead: Have you tested it?

"maximum is 1920x1200 pixels" says the manpage

it's only a framebuffer for vnc, so very high resolutions wouldn't perform well

If Windows, simply enable RDP/Desktop Sharing from within Windows.

I guess that works too (I have no interest in windows myself)

@michaeldexter testing what?

and yeah that makes sense

i guess i could try using desktop shraing to get at least 1920x1080 then

puddinghead: Simply crank it up in your configuration or try RDP. Or both!

that sounds cool!

will try after i get home then! (and also finally set up my freebsd 14.0 vm for port building lol9

i will admit one of my favorite things about freebsd how easily i can get rid of stuff like pulseaudio

if i used linux itd a real struggle to get these things out, like for example i still have dbus installed on my desktop in theory but in practice its never enabled

if i still used linux id have been forced to use it as soon as i set up the desktop environment