01:33:18 <K5KGT> evening
02:01:16 <K5KGT> sorry for the part/join dawned on me to set up irssi on my main freebsd server, not one of my home boxes
02:42:09 <K5KGT> there we go, installing screen / irssi and sasl on three machines helps the memory
08:37:25 <_xor> "pidfd_open - obtain a file descriptor that refers to a process"
08:37:57 <_xor> ^-- Is there a call on FreeBSD similar to that? or at least which one(s) are closest that I could use to implement a function to mimic it?
08:40:20 <Onepamopa> what are you trying to do exactly ?
08:41:22 <_xor> Porting a project to FreeBSD. Two errors where it tries to call pidfd_open and waitid, both of which are Linux-specific. They seem relatively straightforward though (on the surface at least).
08:42:25 <Onepamopa> maybe you're looking for https://man.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=pdfork&sektion=2 ?
08:42:26 <VimDiesel> Title: pdfork(2)
08:43:25 <_xor> That looks pretty close to what I need.
08:43:48 <_xor> Though in the source of this project, right above where it invokes the call, there's a comment: "// pidfd_open sets `O_CLOEXEC` by default, without requiring a flag."
08:44:35 <Onepamopa> you can set PD_CLOEXEC
08:44:51 <Onepamopa> worth a shot.. at least you'd know if this works for you or not :)
08:44:55 <_xor> Yup, I need to find all call sites though and make sure to do what it expects.
08:45:33 <Onepamopa> you can always do a #IF __FBSD__ or some such  ..
08:45:41 <_xor> Though I'm now searching the full codebase and it might not even be calling the function. The library that implements it has a compile guard that errors on anything but Linux. I might just be able to patch-remove that.
08:46:05 <Onepamopa> what are you porting exactly ?
08:46:06 <_xor> Yup, that's what I might do. This is a combination of rust + c.
08:46:27 <_xor> https://github.com/JakeStanger/ironbar
08:46:28 <VimDiesel> Title: GitHub - JakeStanger/ironbar: Customisable gtk-layer-shell wlroots/sway bar written in rust.
09:11:21 <meena> i'd hoped rust people would do better than putting if not Linux, fuck off. given all the tools at their disposal
10:09:14 <Onepamopa> meena yeah..
10:09:45 <Onepamopa> btw, where can I direct a very specific PF question? mailing list or bug tracker (even though it's not a bug..)
10:11:35 <Onepamopa> since it's too long a text to write here, I added the question in paste: https://bsd.to/wLnm
10:11:36 <VimDiesel> Title: dpaste/wLnm (Plain Text)
10:12:12 <parv> Onepamopa, Could ask on -questions list
10:12:40 <Onepamopa> where, exactly? kindly provide the full email..
10:14:14 <parv> Onepamopa, Subscribe to the list at https://lists.freebsd.org/subscription/freebsd-questions ; after replying to confirmation email, you should be able to post to the list
10:14:16 <VimDiesel> Title: FreeBSD Mailing lists: subscription for freebsd-questions
14:37:53 <Midjak> I've just tried make delete-old-libs . It broke many packages on my system. Is it safe to use ? How can I see ports using a specific lib  ?
14:40:01 <Midjak> now when I try git pull I have error message about libss needed by libssh. But both are installed with the system. I have no port to rebuild.
14:40:30 <rtprio> Midjak: what version of freebsd?
14:41:32 <mushbox> what about make reinstall? also, i think your question is on the todo list (import the data into a database)
14:43:11 <Midjak> rtprio, CURRENT
14:43:58 <Midjak> mushbox, I don't understand. I need to make resintall all broken ports yes
14:44:12 <rtprio> usually on updates all the packages/ports befor make-delete-old
14:44:55 <Midjak> I did that
14:44:57 <rtprio> pkg upgrade / portupgrade -a
14:45:11 <Midjak> well with portmaster
14:45:30 <Midjak> how can I fix this issue with libssl ?
14:45:36 <rtprio> then you didn't install the world correctly
14:46:02 <Midjak> I don't know I follow the guide
14:46:08 <Midjak> make installworld
14:47:08 <rtprio> ok, let's check; do you have /usr/lib/libssl.so.30 ?
14:47:14 <Midjak> I did that https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/cutting-edge/
14:47:15 <VimDiesel> Title: Chapter 26. Updating and Upgrading FreeBSD | FreeBSD Documentation Portal
14:47:35 <Midjak> yes I have
14:49:10 <rtprio> if you followed _all_ steps in https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/cutting-edge/#updating-src-quick-start
14:49:11 <VimDiesel> Title: Chapter 26. Updating and Upgrading FreeBSD | FreeBSD Documentation Portal
14:49:31 <Midjak> Yes I did
14:49:49 <Midjak> You are sure it is due to me ?
14:49:59 <rtprio> yes
14:50:02 <Midjak> How do you know that ?
14:50:27 <rtprio> because the freebsd developers are generally careful about these things
14:50:54 <rtprio> let's verify; let's see ls -al /usr/lib/libssl.so.30
14:51:22 <Midjak> I am carefull about thes thing too...
14:52:37 <mushbox> it's easy to have unknowns in a first upgrade, kinda sounds like it
14:52:49 <Midjak> YES rtprio I have libssl
14:53:06 <rtprio> ok, and what exact error message are you seeing when you, git pull, you said?
14:54:26 <RhodiumToad> if you built your ports before updating current from before the openssl 3.x merge to after it, then you'll need to rebuild a lot of ports
14:54:31 <Midjak> ld-elf.so.1: shared object "libssl.so.111" not found, required by libssh2.so.1
14:54:51 <RhodiumToad> right, you built your port when base ssl was still version 1.1.1
14:55:06 <RhodiumToad> and it's since been updated to 3.x
14:55:07 <Midjak> there is a package libssh2 but I have never installed it
14:55:16 <RhodiumToad> that's irrelevant
14:55:25 <rtprio> it's a required package for something else
14:55:28 <RhodiumToad> you will need to rebuild the affected ports
14:55:35 <rtprio> i thought you said you updated your packages/ rebuilt your ports?
14:55:42 <Midjak> I answer rtprio RhodiumToad
14:55:44 <rtprio> this indicates that you ... did not
14:56:49 <Midjak> What is indicated I did not ?
14:57:08 <Midjak> I never manage libssl nor libssh
14:57:08 <rtprio> because you still have libssl errors
14:57:16 <RhodiumToad> the fact that git is still expecting the old openssl version rather than the new one shows that it was not rebuilt
14:57:23 <rtprio> doesn't manage if it's unmanaged, you still haven't updated it
14:57:43 <Midjak> I just rebuilt git
14:57:43 <RhodiumToad> if you're using ports, note that it's not enough to reinstall the port if the old build is still in /usr/obj, you actually have to rebuild it
14:57:58 <RhodiumToad> e.g. do make do-clean  first
14:58:25 <RhodiumToad> (the ports makefiles won't rebuild the port if the old build is still there)
14:58:27 <Midjak> make do-clean on git port or in /usr/src ?
14:58:35 <RhodiumToad> in /usr/ports/devel/git
14:59:05 <rtprio> * in /usr/ports ^, i think toad means?
14:59:06 <mushbox> portmaster has a force rebuild option too
14:59:48 <rtprio> i'm a fan of `rm -Rf /usr/ports/*/*/work`
15:00:17 <mushbox> yeah, for some reason make clean doesn't always remove everything
15:01:23 <Midjak> BTW the guide doesn't give the same step in different section
15:01:29 <RhodiumToad> I'm a fan of using WRKDIRPREFIX to not pollute /usr/ports with work/ dirs
15:02:04 <Midjak> in 26.6.1 and 26.6.4
15:02:05 <RhodiumToad> e.g. using WRKDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj  lets you do  rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/ports
15:02:15 <rtprio> that's not a bad idea either
15:02:33 <RhodiumToad> also throw portmaster away and use poudriere
15:02:48 <mushbox> i might try out WRKDIRPREFIX=/tmp
15:02:56 <RhodiumToad> (and I say this as someone who was an avid portmaster user back in the day)
15:03:33 <rtprio> i've never used portmaster, but current packages seem fine, and portupgrade works although i have mixed feelings about ruby
15:03:33 <Midjak> So if i sumarize I need to rebuild all port after a kernel upgrade. That's it ?
15:03:56 <rtprio> Midjak: it's not needed all the time, but a good habit to be in
15:04:34 <Midjak> it's just  irrealistic
15:05:08 <mushbox> if it's a major version upgrade the ABI has changed
15:05:14 <RhodiumToad> CURRENT explicitly does not have a stable ABI, which means you need to rebuild ports frequently, any time _FreeBSD_version changes
15:05:15 <mushbox> otherwise you don't need to
15:05:31 <RhodiumToad> if you want a stable ABI that's what -stable is for
15:05:40 <Midjak> posrtmaster is not a choice it's the tool the gui recommands. So when you are new with freebsd you follow the guide.
15:05:47 <Midjak> the guide
15:05:59 <rtprio> Midjak: you just rebuild the whole os, and updating the packages is unrealiastic?
15:06:05 <rtprio> current is not for everyone
15:06:30 <Midjak> yes rtprio you have the point
15:06:39 <Midjak> but current is installed
15:08:06 <rtprio> i've had some rather collosal current failures
15:08:21 <Midjak> update all package yes it's unrealistic, sure....
15:08:30 <Midjak> Just firefox... LOL
15:08:33 <rtprio> not at all, not with the many tools to do it for you
15:09:46 <Midjak> if I had to do it all over again, I'd install the 13 with poudriere
15:10:09 <Midjak> but now it's a current with package installed with portmaster
15:10:43 <mushbox> idk, can you upgrade to an older version?
15:11:10 <rtprio> you can stop using portmaster
15:11:14 <Midjak> je préfèrerai pas
15:11:48 <Midjak> I'd rather not
15:11:50 <Midjak> sorry
15:12:21 <vishwin> unfortunately more and more software referenced in ports assume building in clean/isolated environments anymore
15:12:33 <Midjak> stop using portmaster I plan to do that taking the time.
15:12:55 <Midjak> because i don't know how to deal with already installed package
15:13:07 <rtprio> you could, also use packages, i've not a had a problem with them;
15:13:14 <Midjak> but I plan tobuild all port from poudriere indeed
15:13:51 <rtprio> that's great
15:13:57 <mushbox> one problem i have with poudriere, how do you wipe out old jails?
15:14:08 <RhodiumToad> old?
15:14:17 <mushbox> unused
15:14:23 <RhodiumToad> poudriere jail -d
15:15:02 <Midjak> when I started  freebsd (near 2015) I used pkg but I have quickly to switch to ports because version were outdated
15:15:02 <mushbox> oh with poudriere... does that clear the file system too?
15:15:20 <RhodiumToad> what do you mean?
15:15:49 <mushbox> i mean if you rm -rf a jail you can't get rid of it
15:16:20 <RhodiumToad> what poudriere does is to create a bunch of jails, use them to build the list of ports you gave it into packages, then delete them all
15:16:40 <RhodiumToad> nothing is left behind but the packages and the logfiles
15:16:43 <mushbox> yeah, i mean the jail itself on the file system
15:17:02 <Midjak> > right, you built your port when base ssl was still version 1.1.1
15:17:02 <Midjak> How does libssl upgrade from 1.0 to 3.0 in few days ?
15:17:33 <RhodiumToad> the change was merged into CURRENT in one commit? you can check the date
15:17:51 <Midjak> ok just try to understand
15:18:11 <mushbox> it's part of what delayed 14 release
15:18:37 <RhodiumToad> it happened around June 23rd
15:20:49 <Midjak> How do you search that RhodiumToad  ?
15:21:21 <Midjak> I think I could be from git command line but it doesn't work
15:21:34 <Midjak> I tried from web interface but I don't find
15:21:48 <RhodiumToad> I just did a git log and searched for openssl
15:22:51 <Midjak> yes the web interface in not usable
15:23:02 <Midjak> not for a project like that anyway
15:26:20 <vishwin> since this came with an ABI version bump, look at the file history of sys/sys/param.h
15:26:39 <vishwin> good idea to bookmark it when using -CURRENT lol
15:28:31 <Midjak> So if I try to sumarize
15:29:24 <rtprio> vishwin: oh, good idea
15:29:33 <Midjak> for upgrade. make buildworld then upgrade all port then make buildkernel and next steps. Am I right ?
15:29:50 <rtprio> no, not right
15:29:56 <rtprio> update all ports at the end
15:29:59 <Midjak> what are the steps so ?
15:30:00 <rtprio> then delete old libs
15:30:05 <Midjak> ok
15:30:33 <Midjak> so I need to rebuild only when I want clean /usr/obj ?
15:31:22 <Midjak> well ok for that (I will do that)
15:31:41 <Midjak> for now how can I fix my issue ?
15:31:44 <rtprio> when you want to clean /usr/obj you can just rm -Rf /usr/obj/* ; i don't understand your question
15:32:09 <rtprio> issue? we already told you, rebuild all ports or update all packages
15:33:31 <Midjak> I talked bout this https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/cutting-edge/#updating-src-completing-check-old
15:33:32 <VimDiesel> Title: Chapter 26. Updating and Upgrading FreeBSD | FreeBSD Documentation Portal
15:33:56 <Midjak> I never try to remove /usr/obj
15:34:15 <rtprio> Midjak: "Programs which were still using those old libraries will stop working when the library has been deleted. These programs must be rebuilt or replaced after deleting the old libraries."
15:34:33 <rtprio> it says it right there, what we've been trying to explain to you
15:35:01 <Midjak> I didn't ask you about this
15:35:33 <Midjak> my issue was that: now when I try git pull I have error message about libss needed by libssh. But both are installed with the system. I have no port to rebuild.
15:36:11 <rtprio> libssh is a port
15:36:22 <Midjak> I didn't use it
15:36:31 <Midjak> I never installed ti
15:36:44 <Midjak> ssh is installed with freebsd
15:36:54 <rtprio> you know that ports can install, more ports
15:37:08 <Midjak> you know it ask you at the end pf the process
15:37:18 <Midjak> install process
15:38:05 <rtprio> firefox, as you mentioned, has like 140 dependant ports. they _all_ need updated if you want your shit to work
15:38:23 <Midjak> sorry but it's not clear.
15:38:37 <Midjak> yes I will see for firefox
15:38:50 <Midjak> but it's not my problem right now
15:39:21 <rtprio> i don't understand what the problem is. you need to update the ports you installed and all the ports you didn't install.
15:40:33 <Midjak> git pull doesn't work
15:40:43 <rtprio> i don't understand what the problem is. you need to update the ports you installed and all the ports you didn't install yourself that are installed on the system..
15:41:04 <Midjak> I need to pull the /usr/port
15:41:06 <rtprio> here's an idea, to get you going again, try `pkg update; pkg upgrade git`
15:41:24 <rtprio> you also don't need the latest git, you just need to rebuild git
15:41:53 <rtprio> OR ; `cd /usr/ports/devel/git; make clean; make install`
15:42:18 <Midjak> I did that. I just tried pkg install and got the same error
15:43:03 <rtprio> do the other one; i forgot that pkg rquires libssl also
15:48:44 <Midjak> RhodiumToad, just reread your answers what is make do-clean where I must do that ? Is it documented somewhere ?
15:49:07 <Midjak> rtprio, libssh2 ?
15:49:28 <rtprio> clean is documented in `man ports`
15:49:45 <RhodiumToad> make clean  in a port dir is recursive, it cleans the dependencies too
15:49:56 <RhodiumToad> make do-clean  just cleans the current port
15:50:45 <Midjak> ok I did that too
15:50:56 <Midjak> what is weird is libssh2 is not installed
15:51:14 <rtprio> how do you figure?
15:51:29 <Midjak> when I try whereis libssh2 I see the port but not the path where the lib should be installed
15:52:23 <rtprio> that's not how whereis works, iirc
15:53:42 <rtprio> pkg-static info libssh2
15:55:34 <Midjak> yes I found it
15:55:49 <Midjak> it's a curl requirement
15:55:56 <Midjak> I reinstall curl
15:56:04 <Midjak> but problem persists
15:56:54 <Midjak> I could remove libssh2 but this removes 76 dependant packages.
15:58:00 <rtprio> thats why
15:58:10 <rtprio> as i have said several times now
15:58:15 <rtprio> rebuild all packages
15:59:14 <Midjak> just as I have said several time, SSH and CURL are installed WITH Freebsd. they are not pacakages ?
15:59:26 <rtprio> they are both
15:59:32 <rtprio> curl is not installed with freebsd
15:59:56 <rtprio> ssh is both
16:00:02 <Midjak> SSH
16:00:17 <Midjak> but it's good it works
16:00:40 <rtprio> you could have been done 20 minutes ago
16:01:29 <Midjak> Do you know how I fixed it ?
16:03:02 <debdrup> It turns out that if you're planning to do pkg upgrade -f, it's probably a good idea to do pkg update -f first, even if pkg-upgrade doesn't tell you to do so. Who knew.
16:03:08 <rtprio> at this point i'm starting to not care givien your propensity for not following along
16:04:38 <mushbox> to continue accept rebuilding all packages ;p
16:05:43 <Midjak> Well I don't follow you right now
16:07:23 <rtprio> glad it works.
16:08:58 <Midjak> thanks I will consider to swtich to 13
16:09:05 <Midjak> poudrier is on going
21:17:57 <puddinghead> hello
21:19:52 <la_mettrie> hi
21:19:57 <puddinghead> ive been considering on making some sort of shell script collection recently
21:21:35 <puddinghead> since ive been using freebsd for almost two months and have managed to even start thinking of mantaining some ports i might as well make something that will allow people to set up a desktop with ports easily
21:22:05 <rtprio> i seem to recall something like this existing already
21:22:09 <puddinghead> yeah i know
21:22:27 <puddinghead> but this one would be more suited towards port development and stuff like that
21:22:39 <puddinghead> like, setting up a vm for port building and such
21:22:55 <rtprio> there are tools for that already as well
21:23:00 <puddinghead> ooh, thats cool
21:23:40 <puddinghead> i guess ill just stick with my original idea of just making a script that should reinstall all the configs i need for my own desktop in case i end up accidentally formatting my drives again
21:23:52 <puddinghead> (which happened to me time ago
21:24:04 <puddinghead> (like, a few weeks ago, no backups either)
21:24:12 <rtprio> there's tools for that also; puppet, salt, ansible, etc
21:24:36 <puddinghead> yeah i know about ansible and all that
21:24:36 <RhodiumToad> they can be kind of overkill
21:24:41 <puddinghead> agreed
21:24:53 <RhodiumToad> I have a setup script that I use on my own machines
21:25:00 <puddinghead> id rather have something i can execute almost instantly after installing
21:25:36 <rtprio> you could just make a carefully constructed tar and extract it
21:26:00 <RhodiumToad> it's a bit more complicated than that if you want to cope with changes in the OS
21:26:06 <puddinghead> yeah
21:26:58 <puddinghead> i want my script to at least support all the versions freebsd hasnt eoled yet
21:28:01 <RhodiumToad> my script does a lot of files by just using cat <<EOF so that they can be edited easily in the script
21:28:19 <puddinghead> damn thats cool
21:28:19 <RhodiumToad> some files like host keys are restored from an encrypted archive
21:28:33 <puddinghead> i was thinking of just copying some config files lol
21:28:42 <RhodiumToad> passwords are set from an encrypted data block in the script
21:29:12 <puddinghead> damn thats cool
21:29:57 <puddinghead> i actually got bhyve working for a windows vm which ill be using for photoshop like yesterday too
21:30:03 <RhodiumToad> (though if I go for a long time without having to use it, there is the risk of forgetting the password)
21:30:07 <puddinghead> yea
21:30:21 <puddinghead> i have a thing to say though, does bhyve support resolutions higher than 1024x768? i heard it could go to 1920x1200 once
21:31:14 <michaeldexter> puddinghead: Have you tested it?
21:31:16 <RhodiumToad> "maximum is 1920x1200 pixels" says the manpage
21:32:08 <RhodiumToad> it's only a framebuffer for vnc, so very high resolutions wouldn't perform well
21:32:39 <michaeldexter> If Windows, simply enable RDP/Desktop Sharing from within Windows.
21:33:03 <RhodiumToad> I guess that works too (I have no interest in windows myself)
21:35:12 <puddinghead> @michaeldexter testing what?
21:35:20 <puddinghead> and yeah that makes sense
21:35:32 <puddinghead> i guess i could try using desktop shraing to get at least 1920x1080 then
21:36:10 <michaeldexter> puddinghead: Simply crank it up in your configuration or try RDP. Or both!
21:36:28 <puddinghead> that sounds cool!
21:36:53 <puddinghead> will try after i get home then! (and also finally set up my freebsd 14.0 vm for port building lol9
21:38:19 <puddinghead> i will admit one of my favorite things about freebsd how easily i can get rid of stuff like pulseaudio
21:38:59 <puddinghead> if i used linux itd a real struggle to get these things out, like for example i still have dbus installed on my desktop in theory but in practice its never enabled
21:39:32 <puddinghead> if i still used linux id have been forced to use it as soon as i set up the desktop environment