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can FreeBSD run regular linux programs?

hello VimSwartzeneger :)

hi gogofc :)

JoeLlama, Perhaps with Linux emulation layer; see docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/linuxemu ; failing that could run in a VM via "bhyve"

Title: Chapter 11. Linux Binary Compatibility | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

JoeLlama, it should. Using the... what parv linked to.

oh ok so FreeBSD is a different animal than linux and the two are not really compatible for running the same programs...

you have to run linux in a VM is that correct?

JoeLlama, Not as is. Oh, another method is to recompile for FreeBSD

JoeLlama: If you build from source, just about anything that runs on Linux is likely to also run on FreeBSD. Both are POSIX systems.

right ok I get it :)

Not necessarily. See the link above.

so like can I fun liberaOffice?

JoeLlama: Yep, you don't even need to compile that, just install it.

oops run LiberaOffice

LibreOffice, but yes

oh ok right

so there is a package for FreeBSD and I need to use that specific package right?

I miss UNIX and linux makes me itch :(

It's a bit more complex than that, but generally yes. FreeBSD offers a package of it but that's not the only way to run it on FreeBSD, just the easiest.

I like easy

ok thanks :)

Binary packages make a lot of stuff easy.

I'll set up a box and try it at some point

JoeLlama, Use "pkg search --regex" to see what packages are available; Use "--comment" or "--description" to search in respective fields with successively more text

It's fun stuff and if you miss Unix, this is probably the best place to be.

oh ok thanks parv and mason

.oO( Last I used linuxulator explicitly was a long time ago, perhaps for Mozilla browser|OpenOffice|JDK; once or twice had used WINE )

( I do use Alpine in VM via net/wifibox port on the laptop with Intel AX210 Wifi card )

whoo whoo built my first jail image with buildah

now, it's bed time.

bootstrapping my 12.1 installation to run a modern version of FreeBSD is fun

especially when I moved it onto hardware that the 12.1 kernel doesn't support

like...the NIC

endrift: arf... i hope things get better >.<

It's...close to working

it boots on a 13.1 kernel now

FBSD 13.1 liveimage + chroot = I can actually do stuff

aaaaa!

Does anyone has a preferred DHCP server software to provide IPv4 (for now) addresses?

I have used dnsmasq in my time. I haven't gone into that sausage factory

lol

For simple use-cases NOT involving proxy-dhcp, it works well.

Ok

It... can do PXE, but I haven't managed to get FreeBSD running out of it.

What issues should I expect when the DHCP server would be running on the same machine that would run pf (firewall, NAT, router)?

parv: isc-dhcpd is my favourite

mason, Thanks

I don't run it on my firewall - I use a dedicated system for it.

No issues that you wouldn't have having them separate, though mason is sage about this.

you shouldn't run it on the same system, but you won't have issues if you do.

I had found the same while looking up how to set up a router

now I'm getting pager faults x_x

I'm tired of hitting whackamole with issues, I'll come back to this tomorrow

Do not have the hardware which could reasonably be used for dedicated purposes; have laptops (one is working, with broken screen). Only recently did I buy a machine for router+switch+firewall. *ugh* Now need to buy a monitor too

To clarify "have laptops (one is working ...": have 3 working laptops; one of them has broken screen

i really hope this gets merged, bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=268717#c24

Title: 268717 – [pf] [ipnat] rdr rules don't work for traffic originating at localhost

yep, very usable for containers

hi. what does mean innobase in mysql8 port make options? statically linked innodb or it means that innodb feature will be added. otherwise no innodb then available?

compile innodb storage statically in server is description

Does bhyve support qcow2 disks?

so does this mean that without this option innodb is not available or it is dynamic module?

gh00p: wiki.freebsd.org/bhyve

Title: bhyve - FreeBSD Wiki

gh00p: VMDK, QCOW, QCOW2, VDI and more images can be converted to raw images using the qemu-img(1) utility in the emulators/qemu-devel port.

by default qcow2 is not supported

I see that in the FAQ, but sometimes documentation is out of date, and I found a blog post suggesting that it does work.

can anybody with CPU Core 2 Duo E6xxx/4xxx/2xxx/1xxx show: sysctl dev.cpu.0.temperature dev.cpu.0.coretemp.tjmax dev.cpu.0.coretemp.delta && grep -E 'CPU:|Family=0x' /var/run/dmesg.boot

So I thought I'd check to see if anyone had more current knowledge than what the wiki provides

gh00p: stick around. they do. i don't.. i am new to bhyve also :)

or Xeon 51xx/30xx

ivaat, incidentally, check out the "vm create" line here: community.home-assistant.io/t/insta…t-hassos-in-freebsd-bhyve-vm/223492

Title: Installing Home Assistant/HassOS in FreeBSD bhyve VM - Community Guides - Home Assistant Community

VVD: i can show output of Intel(R) Xeon(R) Gold 6142

ivaat, thansk - too new, I need old Core 2 Duo Conroe 65nm: bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=269228

Title: 269228 – coretemp: incorrect tjmax for desktop and server Core 2 Duo/Xeon 51xx 2cores 65nm (Conroe, Woodcrest, possible Allendale): 85°C, but must be 100°C

gh00p: yay with VM script indeed is shown qcow2 so either this is fake or bhyve understands qcow2 image.. maybe try it out with VM script :)?

VVD, I have a E5-2670.. but all my core/core2 cpus are still in their old mac minis. :)

gh00p, E5-2670 is SandyBridge - too new too :-D

gee.. gpart show does not show anything and it does not exit also. not even with -KILL or -TERM

is gpart just busy finishing something here?

and now reboot does not work. All buffers synced and nothing happens after that

hm

on bare metal or virtualized/bhyve

bare metal

poweredge r740 and freebsd FreeBSD-12.4-RELEASE

i got it so well so far. mysql benchmark is like double speedy with zfs then same configure linux xfs ( i am not raising anything in here now ).. just a bummer thing now.. i have to test it out totally to be sure of stable system

but should kill -KILL just ignore everything else and kill process regardless?

souldn't

argh

sry :)

I create a new dataset in a FreeBSD server using OpenZFS 2.1.4. After creation I set acltype=nfsv4 and xattr=sa. I create a new file and setfacl -m u:www:x:allow file. I zdb the file inode number but it doesn't show anything about xattr. Shouldn't zdb show something about xattr?

CyberCr33p: I'm not sure xattr=sa is valid for FreeBSD.

mason according to openzfs/zfs #11997 it works

Title: FreeBSD: Implement xattr=sa by freqlabs · Pull Request #11997 · openzfs/zfs · GitHub

CyberCr33p: Belay that. I see xattr=sa mentioned in the zfsprops() man page

yeah

any idea if for files that don't have extended attributes is any performace hit ?

on my systems only the parent directory for each user has extended atrribute to give access to web-server, all subdirectories and files don't have extened attributes

so i think i tracked down why system did not reboot. one disc seems to have error

but shoulndt raidz1 then turn off that disc?

shouldn't

hm but so far on live scan that disc for example in linux does not report anything bad back

i smell hardware bug

is it smoking yet ? no ? hit with hammer

i would use freebsd live but this reports IO error

using badblocks in linux live boot

i hope it is disc issue

assuming thats "disk" issue

can anyone recommend a good console/terminal sound mixer? Getting a hissing noise from a microphone monitor and pulseaudio/pavucontrol can't seem to do anything for it.

including moving them further apart and/or also cleaning the connections with a non-residue solvent ?

;-)

pertho: you could check out mixertui, aumix and rexima as three option (I've used at various times)

thanks, zykotick9 I will

CAn't just use the mixer(8) CLI util?

is forced zpool export coming to freebsd soon? i see some work has been done on this openzfs/zfs #11082

Title: Support forced export of ZFS pools by wca · Pull Request #11082 · openzfs/zfs · GitHub

How does /etc/auto_master work with devd as show here: docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/…sks/#_automounting_removable_media? What 'links' the two to work together?

Title: Chapter 19. Storage | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

Ah ha... found it.. 'aumix -x 0' got rid of the hiss.. wonder how that got turned up?

what good is it for besides making a nice constant hissing noise in your speakers?

(mix monitor)

pertho: glad you found the solution

where exactly is the _correct_ location to permanently set environment variables? I am a bit confused by this sometimes. Is this shell depending? I'm using shells/zsh

jbo: yeah, very shell dependent.

aye, so this would go into ~/.zshrc ?

it's a good start

I don't know why but for some reason my brain tells me that environment variables should be a "core OS feature" rather than a shell thing but I guess I'm wrong

sh in -CURRENT is usable.

meaning, as a terminal shell

I use tcsh for root, and fish for everyone else

I used fish before, but it's not a POSIX shell which ruined my day at one point so I moved to zsh :D

i mean, environment variables are a core os feature.

since apple switched from bash to zsh, i use zsh, too.

fish not being a POSIX shell is the main reason I use it

llua, so how come that I can't set environment variables somewhere "through the OS" rather than in a shell config file?

you can, and even if you couldn't doesn't make it any less of something pretty fundamental to the os

llua, how would one get/set environment variables "through the OS" ?

OS != kernel. (And they *are* passed from parent to child process via the kernel.)

to get at what you are looking for, man 5 login.conf

thanks!

that can set environment variables from a process that isn't a shell.

When will FreeBSD stop using X11 ?

FreeBSD isn't using X11, it's just something you install on top of it

When Wayland is sufficiently mature and ready?

by then the Linux folks will most likely have changed init systems three times already again xD

Regarding shell environment variables: Note that X started by an xdm (X Display Manager) won't necessarily get vars set in a ~/.profile file.

That's one of the several reasons many of us log into a text console and then start X with either startx or xinit directly.

Because by logging in on the text console our login shell reads ~/.profile and the other files as per normal first.

source the .profile from .xsession

or just link .xsession to .xinit

Is .xinit a thing? I am unaware of that permutation.

it is a thing

.xsession was for sessions with login managers, xwm or gdm

.xinit was for `startx`

ahh, .xinitrc perhaps?

Definitely .xinitrc is for xinit and startx.

I don't have an xdm installed so can't easily verify but on other OS's such as Debian Xsession sources ~/.xsessionrc

and I recommend that instead of the must be executable ~/.xsession script which is bypassed if the user selects a Desktop Environment manually.

yeah, i can't speak to linux, what had a bunch of weird cruft like `desktop-selection-manager` or some such

mmm is there a tool for PMTU discovery (for udp)

other than ping with binary search

some versions of traceroute will

dch, I forget exactly how EDNS0 works, but you might be able to derive some info from the length of the server's responses to you. I never heard of a tool to automate that, though.

I found github.com/katef/stping which purports to run on BSD but doesn't compile

Title: GitHub - katef/stping: TCP and UDP client/server ping

I'm using ... curl atm

Does anyone know how can I show %wa in FreeBSD top like I can see it on Linux top. It's the waiting time, % when CPU waits for disks to finish writing. Or any other command, I tried systat, iostat, but I can't find it.

I guess I want iowait, also I guess it's time to learn Dtrace