00:03:48 AllanJude: more UCL for the UCL gods 00:06:49 🎶Lua, lua, lua https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZJ4ESU52U 00:06:51 Title: The Kingsmen - Louie Louie - YouTube 00:08:19 ... better, can actually hear, understand the damn lyrics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAwrD1zG7R0 00:08:20 Title: Louie Louie - YouTube 00:12:39 can FreeBSD run regular linux programs? 00:12:44 hello VimSwartzeneger :) 00:13:29 hi gogofc :) 00:15:12 JoeLlama, Perhaps with Linux emulation layer; see https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/linuxemu/ ; failing that could run in a VM via "bhyve" 00:15:14 Title: Chapter 11. Linux Binary Compatibility | FreeBSD Documentation Portal 00:15:30 JoeLlama, it should. Using the... what parv linked to. 00:15:51 oh ok so FreeBSD is a different animal than linux and the two are not really compatible for running the same programs... 00:16:22 you have to run linux in a VM is that correct? 00:16:29 JoeLlama, Not as is. Oh, another method is to recompile for FreeBSD 00:16:37 JoeLlama: If you build from source, just about anything that runs on Linux is likely to also run on FreeBSD. Both are POSIX systems. 00:16:39 right ok I get it :) 00:16:41 Not necessarily. See the link above. 00:17:23 so like can I fun liberaOffice? 00:17:38 JoeLlama: Yep, you don't even need to compile that, just install it. 00:17:40 oops run LiberaOffice 00:17:46 LibreOffice, but yes 00:17:54 oh ok right 00:18:12 so there is a package for FreeBSD and I need to use that specific package right? 00:18:32 I miss UNIX and linux makes me itch :( 00:18:41 It's a bit more complex than that, but generally yes. FreeBSD offers a package of it but that's not the only way to run it on FreeBSD, just the easiest. 00:18:57 I like easy 00:18:59 ok thanks :) 00:19:06 Binary packages make a lot of stuff easy. 00:20:00 I'll set up a box and try it at some point 00:20:06 JoeLlama, Use "pkg search --regex" to see what packages are available; Use "--comment" or "--description" to search in respective fields with successively more text 00:20:15 It's fun stuff and if you miss Unix, this is probably the best place to be. 00:20:35 oh ok thanks parv and mason 00:27:14 .oO( Last I used linuxulator explicitly was a long time ago, perhaps for Mozilla browser|OpenOffice|JDK; once or twice had used WINE ) 00:30:53 ( I do use Alpine in VM via net/wifibox port on the laptop with Intel AX210 Wifi card ) 01:13:45 whoo whoo built my first jail image with buildah 01:13:51 now, it's bed time. 04:48:30 bootstrapping my 12.1 installation to run a modern version of FreeBSD is fun 04:48:43 especially when I moved it onto hardware that the 12.1 kernel doesn't support 04:48:46 like...the NIC 04:48:51 * endrift sighs 05:18:37 endrift: arf... i hope things get better >.< 05:18:55 It's...close to working 05:19:00 it boots on a 13.1 kernel now 05:19:34 FBSD 13.1 liveimage + chroot = I can actually do stuff 05:20:24 aaaaa! 05:30:40 Does anyone has a preferred DHCP server software to provide IPv4 (for now) addresses? 05:32:04 I have used dnsmasq in my time. I haven't gone into that sausage factory 05:32:25 lol 05:33:00 For simple use-cases NOT involving proxy-dhcp, it works well. 05:33:19 Ok 05:34:17 It... can do PXE, but I haven't managed to get FreeBSD running out of it. 05:39:30 What issues should I expect when the DHCP server would be running on the same machine that would run pf (firewall, NAT, router)? 05:41:42 parv: isc-dhcpd is my favourite 05:41:52 mason, Thanks 05:42:12 I don't run it on my firewall - I use a dedicated system for it. 05:44:29 No issues that you wouldn't have having them separate, though mason is sage about this. 05:44:45 you shouldn't run it on the same system, but you won't have issues if you do. 05:46:49 I had found the same while looking up how to set up a router 05:47:20 now I'm getting pager faults x_x 05:47:40 I'm tired of hitting whackamole with issues, I'll come back to this tomorrow 05:51:09 Do not have the hardware which could reasonably be used for dedicated purposes; have laptops (one is working, with broken screen). Only recently did I buy a machine for router+switch+firewall. *ugh* Now need to buy a monitor too 05:55:35 To clarify "have laptops (one is working ...": have 3 working laptops; one of them has broken screen 12:04:03 i really hope this gets merged, https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=268717#c24 12:04:06 Title: 268717 – [pf] [ipnat] rdr rules don't work for traffic originating at localhost 12:06:42 yep, very usable for containers 12:50:55 hi. what does mean innobase in mysql8 port make options? statically linked innodb or it means that innodb feature will be added. otherwise no innodb then available? 12:52:18 compile innodb storage statically in server is description 13:04:04 Does bhyve support qcow2 disks? 13:04:09 so does this mean that without this option innodb is not available or it is dynamic module? 13:05:17 gh00p: https://wiki.freebsd.org/bhyve 13:05:18 Title: bhyve - FreeBSD Wiki 13:05:30 gh00p: VMDK, QCOW, QCOW2, VDI and more images can be converted to raw images using the qemu-img(1) utility in the emulators/qemu-devel port. 13:05:46 by default qcow2 is not supported 13:07:12 I see that in the FAQ, but sometimes documentation is out of date, and I found a blog post suggesting that it does work. 13:08:11 can anybody with CPU Core 2 Duo E6xxx/4xxx/2xxx/1xxx show: sysctl dev.cpu.0.temperature dev.cpu.0.coretemp.tjmax dev.cpu.0.coretemp.delta && grep -E 'CPU:|Family=0x' /var/run/dmesg.boot 13:08:15 So I thought I'd check to see if anyone had more current knowledge than what the wiki provides 13:09:56 gh00p: stick around. they do. i don't.. i am new to bhyve also :) 13:11:28 or Xeon 51xx/30xx 13:12:58 ivaat, incidentally, check out the "vm create" line here: https://community.home-assistant.io/t/installing-home-assistant-hassos-in-freebsd-bhyve-vm/223492 13:12:59 Title: Installing Home Assistant/HassOS in FreeBSD bhyve VM - Community Guides - Home Assistant Community 13:16:00 VVD: i can show output of Intel(R) Xeon(R) Gold 6142 13:16:45 ivaat, thansk - too new, I need old Core 2 Duo Conroe 65nm: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=269228 13:16:47 Title: 269228 – coretemp: incorrect tjmax for desktop and server Core 2 Duo/Xeon 51xx 2cores 65nm (Conroe, Woodcrest, possible Allendale): 85°C, but must be 100°C 13:20:20 gh00p: yay with VM script indeed is shown qcow2 so either this is fake or bhyve understands qcow2 image.. maybe try it out with VM script :)? 13:33:55 VVD, I have a E5-2670.. but all my core/core2 cpus are still in their old mac minis. :) 13:36:55 gh00p, E5-2670 is SandyBridge - too new too :-D 13:52:46 gee.. gpart show does not show anything and it does not exit also. not even with -KILL or -TERM 13:56:02 is gpart just busy finishing something here? 13:57:51 and now reboot does not work. All buffers synced and nothing happens after that 13:57:57 hm 13:58:16 on bare metal or virtualized/bhyve 13:59:00 bare metal 14:00:32 poweredge r740 and freebsd FreeBSD-12.4-RELEASE 14:01:53 i got it so well so far. mysql benchmark is like double speedy with zfs then same configure linux xfs ( i am not raising anything in here now ).. just a bummer thing now.. i have to test it out totally to be sure of stable system 14:04:57 but should kill -KILL just ignore everything else and kill process regardless? 14:05:07 souldn't 14:05:10 argh 14:05:13 sry :) 15:38:06 I create a new dataset in a FreeBSD server using OpenZFS 2.1.4. After creation I set acltype=nfsv4 and xattr=sa. I create a new file and setfacl -m u:www:x:allow file. I zdb the file inode number but it doesn't show anything about xattr. Shouldn't zdb show something about xattr? 15:41:00 CyberCr33p: I'm not sure xattr=sa is valid for FreeBSD. 15:42:13 mason according to https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/pull/11997 it works 15:42:16 Title: FreeBSD: Implement xattr=sa by freqlabs · Pull Request #11997 · openzfs/zfs · GitHub 15:42:19 CyberCr33p: Belay that. I see xattr=sa mentioned in the zfsprops() man page 15:42:27 yeah 15:43:07 any idea if for files that don't have extended attributes is any performace hit ? 15:43:47 on my systems only the parent directory for each user has extended atrribute to give access to web-server, all subdirectories and files don't have extened attributes 16:23:10 so i think i tracked down why system did not reboot. one disc seems to have error 16:23:31 but shoulndt raidz1 then turn off that disc? 16:23:59 shouldn't 16:53:32 hm but so far on live scan that disc for example in linux does not report anything bad back 16:53:48 i smell hardware bug 17:00:48 is it smoking yet ? no ? hit with hammer 17:02:48 i would use freebsd live but this reports IO error 17:02:59 using badblocks in linux live boot 17:05:34 i hope it is disc issue 17:06:16 assuming thats "disk" issue 17:19:56 can anyone recommend a good console/terminal sound mixer? Getting a hissing noise from a microphone monitor and pulseaudio/pavucontrol can't seem to do anything for it. 17:21:09 including moving them further apart and/or also cleaning the connections with a non-residue solvent ? 17:21:56 ;-) 17:23:18 pertho: you could check out mixertui, aumix and rexima as three option (I've used at various times) 17:28:16 thanks, zykotick9 I will 18:01:09 CAn't just use the mixer(8) CLI util? 18:05:26 is forced zpool export coming to freebsd soon? i see some work has been done on this https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/pull/11082 18:05:30 Title: Support forced export of ZFS pools by wca · Pull Request #11082 · openzfs/zfs · GitHub 18:50:22 How does /etc/auto_master work with devd as show here: https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/disks/#_automounting_removable_media? What 'links' the two to work together? 18:50:23 Title: Chapter 19. Storage | FreeBSD Documentation Portal 19:10:56 Ah ha... found it.. 'aumix -x 0' got rid of the hiss.. wonder how that got turned up? 19:11:08 what good is it for besides making a nice constant hissing noise in your speakers? 19:11:17 (mix monitor) 19:22:26 pertho: glad you found the solution 21:10:58 where exactly is the _correct_ location to permanently set environment variables? I am a bit confused by this sometimes. Is this shell depending? I'm using shells/zsh 21:14:51 jbo: yeah, very shell dependent. 21:15:03 aye, so this would go into ~/.zshrc ? 21:15:27 it's a good start 21:15:28 I don't know why but for some reason my brain tells me that environment variables should be a "core OS feature" rather than a shell thing but I guess I'm wrong 21:15:42 * meena hasn't used a sh based shell in a decade 21:15:59 sh in -CURRENT is usable. 21:16:12 meaning, as a terminal shell 21:17:29 I use tcsh for root, and fish for everyone else 21:18:15 I used fish before, but it's not a POSIX shell which ruined my day at one point so I moved to zsh :D 21:19:17 i mean, environment variables are a core os feature. 21:19:43 since apple switched from bash to zsh, i use zsh, too. 21:19:44 fish not being a POSIX shell is the main reason I use it 21:20:15 llua, so how come that I can't set environment variables somewhere "through the OS" rather than in a shell config file? 21:21:29 you can, and even if you couldn't doesn't make it any less of something pretty fundamental to the os 21:21:53 llua, how would one get/set environment variables "through the OS" ? 21:21:59 OS != kernel. (And they *are* passed from parent to child process via the kernel.) 21:22:50 to get at what you are looking for, man 5 login.conf 21:22:59 thanks! 21:23:08 that can set environment variables from a process that isn't a shell. 21:33:39 When will FreeBSD stop using X11 ? 21:33:57 FreeBSD isn't using X11, it's just something you install on top of it 21:34:08 When Wayland is sufficiently mature and ready? 21:34:40 by then the Linux folks will most likely have changed init systems three times already again xD 21:35:41 Regarding shell environment variables: Note that X started by an xdm (X Display Manager) won't necessarily get vars set in a ~/.profile file. 21:36:11 That's one of the several reasons many of us log into a text console and then start X with either startx or xinit directly. 21:36:33 Because by logging in on the text console our login shell reads ~/.profile and the other files as per normal first. 21:36:59 source the .profile from .xsession 21:37:47 or just link .xsession to .xinit 21:38:08 Is .xinit a thing? I am unaware of that permutation. 21:50:15 it is a thing 21:50:31 .xsession was for sessions with login managers, xwm or gdm 21:50:39 .xinit was for `startx` 21:53:13 ahh, .xinitrc perhaps? 21:54:53 Definitely .xinitrc is for xinit and startx. 21:56:57 I don't have an xdm installed so can't easily verify but on other OS's such as Debian Xsession sources ~/.xsessionrc 21:57:02 and I recommend that instead of the must be executable ~/.xsession script which is bypassed if the user selects a Desktop Environment manually. 22:07:18 yeah, i can't speak to linux, what had a bunch of weird cruft like `desktop-selection-manager` or some such 22:14:15 mmm is there a tool for PMTU discovery (for udp) 22:14:23 other than ping with binary search 22:26:09 some versions of traceroute will 22:59:38 dch, I forget exactly how EDNS0 works, but you might be able to derive some info from the length of the server's responses to you. I never heard of a tool to automate that, though. 23:00:13 I found https://github.com/katef/stping which purports to run on BSD but doesn't compile 23:00:15 Title: GitHub - katef/stping: TCP and UDP client/server ping 23:00:19 I'm using ... curl atm 23:23:45 Does anyone know how can I show %wa in FreeBSD top like I can see it on Linux top. It's the waiting time, % when CPU waits for disks to finish writing. Or any other command, I tried systat, iostat, but I can't find it. 23:34:23 I guess I want iowait, also I guess it's time to learn Dtrace