oh well

definitely huge explosion of knowledge for me with internet

Is anyone here au fait with buildbot? I'm trying to set it up in a jail but for some reason when I try to start the service I'm getting "error reading '/var/buildbot-worker/buildbot.tac': Permission denied"

Running buildbot-worker from inside the directory as the assigned buildbot-worker user works fine (seemingly)

Re: the above, I fixed it. Found out what had changed in between when the guide I was reading was written and now

wtf is build bot and wtf do we care ?

it... builds things

can it build my house ?

A screenshot of the various "fetch" programs I could find in ports ibb.co/gDnTPD2 I like how ufetch and rsfetch report my DE/WM as mame... I understand it's grabing the incorrect value from .xinitrc but it's still funny IMO. Are there any "fetch" programs anyone uses I'm missing from ports?

Title: 2023-01-27-220559-1920x1080-scrot hosted at ImgBB — ImgBB

which fetch ?

base comes with one

cpet: different sort of fetch

fetch beer ?

is that is ports? ;)

it can be

going to update hiawatha think I still maintain that

then do some magic with my yubico card

s/that is/that in/

knew what you meant

cpet: it took about ten years from the first ideas of VNET until the first release. In that regard, PkgBase is on track for the usual timelines at FreeBSD

klarasystems.com/articles/virtualiz…e-your-network-on-freebsd-with-vnet 2003 - 2009 for the first release, and then 2018 it came to GENERIC

Title: Virtualize Your Network on FreeBSD with VNET | Klara Inc

vnet is a bit of a special case, because it's a specific implementation of the generalized idea of VIMAGE

VIMAGE would've been something between a NetBSD rump kernel and DragonFlyBSD vKernel.

debdrup: can you elaborate on that?

meena: elaborate on what?

"VIMAGE would've been something between a NetBSD rump kernel and DragonFlyBSD vKernel." — i don't know vKernel, and i always thought rump kernel was just a very stripped down NetBSD

meena: well, it's based on my understanding of a part of the VIMAGE paper that Marco Zec did as part of his time at University of Zagreb

There's some details in it that make it seem more than just vnet, at least.

maybe i should read that paper then. maybe it had some ideas already that i still need

It's on papers.freebsd.org and I think it's from 2003

tho, to be fair, networking is probably the most difficult part about containerised OS partitioning

meena: which at least goes some way towards explaining why it took a bit longer than one might've hoped, because for the majority of the time since the paper came out, nobody was doing containerized OS' like FreeBSD

almost nobody, anyway

Title: Implementing a Clonable Network Stack in the FreeBSD Kernel :: FreeBSD Presentations and Papers

debdrup: Solaris zones are pretty old

but most Solaris shops just used them as super lightweight VMs

"entire distribution" in a zone

Yep.

I'm extremely excited for dfr's work

which is funny, cuz he seems quite excited and my work

what part of his work? he's got a lot going?

well i'm excited for both your works

the podman stuff

he's using PkgBase.live to build extremely smol images of jails

Morning, is there a way to see "cpu steal" on FreeBSD? Specifically looking at a VM that I think may be contended.

dubiousness: you could dtrace it

Another way of finding out if that's the issue is to set affinities with cpuset(8).

debdrup: for the latter, do you mean on the HV?

Also, any examples of dtrace'ing that? I'm not familiar with dtrace (beyond knowing what it is)

dubiousness: you run cpuset on the bhyve process, yes

dubiousness: sysutils/dtrace-toolkit should contain some examples, and there's a fair bit of documentation on dtrace to be found online

Sorry, should have contextualised better, this VM is actually in a cloud provider :tm: and not under my direct control :)

I'll have a read over the docs and see if I can spot anything

thank you

Go yell at your butt provider then, or find one that doesn't oversubscribe their hardware (good luck, it's the only way it's possible to make money in the butt business)

Could do, I just wanted to prove things out before I jumped to that assumption.

(I thought for a second Marko's name was missing letters, but it just means 🐰)

most cloud providers provide VMs that aren't oversubscribed, at a premium

meena: it's priced the same way bare metal is, so at that point there's no reason not to have bare metal.

if you don't have time and skill to manage metal, all you'll do is cut yourself

it's a good way to learn, or lose fingers / customers

How's that different from putting your fingers in the butt?

you could argue the time it would take t oget the basics down would be less painful than the cost over time of dealing with anything with 'cloud' related to it

are cloud providers now known as 'butts' lol

There's a browser plugin that does s/the cloud/your butt/g. I think debdrup is referring to that.

Yup.

I think debdrup *is* that plugin

That's entirely possible.

examine debdrup

Beep, boop.

Go wash your speakers with soap!

ah :)

good morning

mornin', ngortheone

Hello! Please tell me the correct way to use Windows 10 systems and

freebsd on one machine. Windows 10 is installed in UEFI GPT mode. For double

Boot two systems will need to install GRUB?

Kit_Leopold: apparently, loader(8) can chain boot windows

eh

meena: apparently, loader(8) can chain boot windows [00:57]

<ketas> eh [00:58]

ERC> meena: apparently, loader(8) can chain boot windows [00:57]

<ketas> eh [00:58]

ERC> meena: Thanks for the reply, I'll read more about it.

i keep forgetting that the FreeBSD VM images come with UFS and not ZFS…

to keep a stable/13 installation up-to-date you really have to build from source every time? I'm following this (docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/cutting-edge/#makeworld) but the building process is taking forever on this cheap laptop.

Title: Chapter 25. Updating and Upgrading FreeBSD | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

harpia: To update your system: yes

building the Kernel does not take that much time

And I think someone mentioned once that you can build world using ccache, which would speed up the building process.

meena, Convert it from UFS to ZFS in place! people.freebsd.org/~lidl/blog/re-root.html

Title: Using FreeBSD's re-root capability

rwp: i could just setup another VM…

My "uname -r" went from 13.1-STABLE to 13.2-PRERELEASE after the "make installkernel". I'm updating from branch stable/13. To remain on 13.1 I should have picked the branch releng/13.1, right? The name, releng, what does it stand for? Release engineering?

rwp: horrific. terrible. i love it.