parvXirc, Curious. What does freebsd-version -kru say in that case too?

rwp, "13.1-STABLE", all three

parvXirc: thank you

parvXirc, Useful to know. Thanks! I am running binary installed systems and didn't have an easy way to check. Mine say 13.1-RELEASE-p3 13.1-RELEASE-p3 13.1-RELEASE-p5

rwp, Yeah "freebsd-version" is actually useful in that case

I am running Quarterly and I'll note that today's "pkg upgrade" included what looks like the full quarterly upgrade. Largest upgrade seen in a while.

I haven't upgraded any to it yet but I assume that last 13.1-RELEASE-p5 will become 13.1-RELEASE-p6 or some other later version.

Why would I get a "required shared library libc.so.7 not found"" on a port's "make install"? No jails involved, program works fine.

cracauer, (No idea but...) What was "ls -l /lib/libc.so.7" say? You really do have it, right? And what core version are you running?

-r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 1992224 Jan 5 12:57 /lib/libc.so.7

14-current

And the program works fine, it is not linked against anything wrong.

A quick google showed that this warning popped up for people messing with jails, but no jails are involved here.

I am not running source ports so just don't know but... I assume that "ldd /usr/local/bin/fooexecutable" shows everything okay? (ldd list dynamic dependencies)

And then I would also run it again with ldd -a to recursively list dependencies of each of those dependent objects.

I have used that in the past to track down missing shared libs and other related shared object problems.

Yeah, everything is there. The program works fine.

Then the IRC rule of wait a couple of hours for the participating audience to change and then ask again and see if the different audience knows.

:-) Will do. Really an odd warning.

To error is human, but to really mess things up requires a computer! I am chasing a really crazy thing myself.

I have a newly assembled 6x SATA drive raidz2 array. And one drive keeps getting dropped out of the array.

Ouch.

Have tried a different drive or the same drive in different location/

But everything about that drive appears okay.

But in the testing if I hot swap bay eject a random other drive then of course the ejected dive is removed but sometimes that pesky troubled drive also gets "detached".

s,/,?,

Nice way to get double drive faults.

I don't have an extra drive of large enough size to try it.

Yes. Double drive faults. This is a raidz2 so it can tolerate it. But... Why is it happening with this drive?

SMART saying anything?

This is using a Dell H310 SAS HBA with the LSI 9211-8i chipset by the way.

No smart errors logged. Have smart short selftests running daily.

Try with changing the locations of existing drives to see if the connections to a location are faulty, or if the currently dropping drive does the same in another location

Here is the syslog from the time of a detach event. bsd.to/aPQn/raw

Title: aPQn

That SAS/SATA controller has 8 ports, using 6, and so I already swapped those two drives to the other two ports. About an hour later the same drive detached again.

I know it is looking like that one drive is at fault. But twice now one of the other drives dropped out at exactly the same time. So *two* drives??

Thanks

It's a new assembly so I think I will take those two drives out and run them through a full test exercise and see if I can stress test them in isolation a little.

Order new disks now to have on hand

These are 6TB drives so running a full stress test against them will run for a while. Maybe have a new data point tomorrow.

And btw if I don't touch anything but just zpool online any drive that is offline then the entire pool snaps back into 100% online with no problems showing.

Are the disks specifically NAS types (WD Red Plus|Pro; Seagate Exos)?

Yes. These are HGST NAS drives. Should be very good quality drives. I have had similar models run 11+ years!

I have one of those on an LSI controller in a SATA cage. No problems.

Right. This is one of those cases where everything _should_ be good. But something odd is happening.

It's a new assembly. Nothing critical on it yet. I'll beat on it some more. Eventually something will fall.

Everything will be all right in the end. If it's not all right, then it's not yet the end.

nothing more annoying than an intermittent fault

can you re-arrange the drives and see if the error follows the drive or stays on that port

how reliable are the +5, +12 volt lines?

(under load)

also a good question

Hello, I figured out by accident how to panic and completely stop the latest freebsd 13.1-release patchlevel kernel from within a jail

How should I contact about this?

I also have a stacktrace I gathered over the serial console

sfox: if it is serious enough: freebsd.org/security/#reporting

Title: FreeBSD Security Information | The FreeBSD Project

ty

if you are unsure, it's probably better to err on the side of caution

will do

good evening everyone i did a freebsd-update fetch for freebsd 13-1p5 but after rebooting im still seeing the following: 13.1-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 13.1-RELEASE-p3 GENERIC amd6

not sure what else to try at this point

fetch doesn't install i don't think

freebsd-update fetch && freebsd-update install

were the commands that i ran

hrm, i'm at p3 too

do you get "No updates needed to update system to 13.1-RELEASE-p5." ?

yes

then you're good; i don't thin the p3 and p5 are supposed to line up at this time.

but it sure is confusing

I'm getting that same issue

yeah

No updates needed to update system to 13.1-RELEASE-p5.

thanks rtprio

FreeBSD 13.1-RELEASE-p3 GENERIC

20221230 2129.55 <parv> The FreeBSD project really should just bump up all the damn versions to the same string already :-|

yeah parvXirc

You could try persuading FreeBSD release engineering on the matter: re @ freebsd .org ; or file bug report bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=Base%20System

Title: Log in to FreeBSD Bugzilla

why doesn't a crontab entry of */3 in the hours field run at 00:00 ?

it runs at 9PM and then next @ 3AM

nvm, it ran :)

Question about Virtualbox ... Can I run a normal desktop environment in something like say, a Ubuntu VM?

I didn't think that with bhyve, I would be able to run a graphical environment.

Monegro: yeah with bhyve you can. you can get a desktop once installed if you're in a gui already and you ssh -TC into the bhyve or wrap it in a vnc

ssh -YC

you can also do it in vb (though it might be automatic there)

bsd.to/Smvc <--- Is this expected? (Summary: env LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8" ls -l sorts Greek filenames ahead of . and ..)

Title: dpaste/Smvc (Plain Text)

en_GR.UTF-8? :D

I haven't tried that. Hold on.

It can't interpret Greek characters with that. Renders them as groups of '?' bytes.

I don't know if en_GR.UTF-8 is a valid locale.. could be gr_GR.UTF-8

V_PauAmma_V, I do not see that with en_US.UTF-8 here on 13.1R bsd.to/Bidd/raw

Title: Bidd

What did you do to me Firefox? it broke

PredatorONormies, This lastest Firefox v108 has been giving several of us problems. Crashes. Hangs. Hangs and crashes!

I didn't use en_GR, I used el_GR (which is correct - the language and the country have different codes).

mine won't even start XD

On FreeBSD and also on Debian and Ubuntu systems. Not just FreeBSD.

rwp, It's okay, I'm soon removing Firefox forever

I'm almost 100% content with Links .. well I am, but some sites I crave for aren't

well.. 1, to be exact

Firefox is slow shit even on a BEAST computer

Where-as Links is probably fast even on a POTATO computer

Firefox is the worst web browser except for all of the others. Honestly the others are worse!

That's the power of TUI/CLI

XD

I don't like GUI, am slowly walking away from it so yeah

If it is the GUI you dislike then yes for many things you can use lynx, w3m, or emacs-w3m and emacs-eww for the advanced power user! :-)

I use Links xD

Heard good things about w3m

Anyone got Links with graphics mode to work inside of the tty/terminal without X11?

Without X11 needed*

"links" is a good text browser but has a terrible name making it impossible to search for. I can only find it by searching for elinks and then following their reference link.

rwp, you have LC_COLLATE=C, not en_US.UTF-8.

Ah, yes, I do. Sorry. I wasn't thinking. Lost my head in the heat of things. :-(

And if I do set it to en_US.UTF-8 then I see the same as you. bsd.to/U7Wk/raw

Title: U7Wk

Lol agree about the name

I usually try "links browser" like to be more specific, more in-deetail

to hlep the search engine

Same applies to lynx, but kitties!

kitties? y pls

I hate when animals shed their hair

fur

rwp, what's the best terminal-based browser in your opinion and why? Which ones have you tried

V_PauAmma_V, another system bsd.to/YrZ8/raw

(others can say, too)

Title: YrZ8

GNU glibc "gets it right" so...

PredatorONormies, I use emacs so when I am doing terminal browsing I use either Emacs w3m encapsulation or Emacs eww pure elisp implementation.

For use converting html email in mutt to plain text I am currently using "links -dump" as best at doing tables.

But I have other options commented and flip things around as needed. My ~/.mailcap file: bsd.to/3VRj/raw

Title: 3VRj

sounds like too complex to be cool to me

theEmacs part

PredatorONormies, See "man mailcap" for how MIME is used and how mailcap entries are used to read MIME things.

Links has some associations thing

If not installed then see: freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=mailc…+and+Ports&arch=default&format=html

Title: mailcap

So you can open like files and shits in outside progrims

meh

Each to their own! Everything pretty much uses mailcap to handle MIME things.

yeah

MEMES

I don't really use MIME

You use it even if you don't know you use it. Everything these days uses MIME. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIME

Title: MIME - Wikipedia

What do you mean by everyhing?

I use Vi

And with Links I use it's associations meaning I choose what opens in what

Email for example.

And I pipe shit into programs

Work calls... Blech!

I don't e-mail troug a terminal and shit

I might in the future who-knows

what does a e-mail service need to prived in-order for terminal e-mail client?

Kitties are their own justification. I'll die on that hill.

kitties are perfectly ok

depending on how they're cooked

same goes for humans

taste-wise

for sending terminal e-mail telnet can be enough

telnet??

Can I use a proxy with it?

I don't do clear-net I mean shit-net

I don't need speed anyways

I have patience

I don't need 50G 1000000Gb/s internet conncetion

fcking normies

streaming 4k

on phones?

the main thing is lower latency and longer coverage distances imo

People want for the services they use which provide web-pages with MEGABYTES and MEGABYTES of BULLSHIT - to load within a second

like immediately

Web-pages used to be a few bytes in size

But today - idiots need a few megabytes of SCRIPTS to just load a "Welcome, stranger" text lmao

What a joke

Want eye-candy? Go watch a movie

JavaScript was a mistake.

hahaha no shit

Convenience is bliss for normies

anyways

wrong channel

PredatorONormies: you want that your email provider has imap support (but you want that anyway, doesn't matter if terminal or not)

does someone here know why the telegram-desktop port calls many c++ processes in stage? shouldn't that happen in build and in stage mostly copying stuff around?

anybody know how to enable dumpdev (kernel dumps) on the fly?

trying to submit a bug report

but... i have them disabled

dumpon /dev/ada1p3 works

so... how do i read the dumps off the swap?

ah got it

good day

hi :) can I replace Intel graphics driver with something else that supports xrandr?

Intel is very bugged on my machine and many apps segfault

I can't submit a bug report :(

bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/post_bug.cgi is giving access denied

Title: Log in to FreeBSD Bugzilla

nekobit: did you create an account?

yes

> Log out me⊙onn