Is there a good email client or something that i can use to read the mailing list? and all the archives?

neomutt

llua: guessing only for desktop?

Question. I'm reading the handbook right. And I'm reading about building world custom kernels etc.. is the default kernel good or do i need to make a custom kernel or build world?

jb1277976_: the normal kernel is usually fine

Thanks jmnbtslsQE

This is for anyone, i built my drivers for my printer right. i then installed cups. put the cups path in rc.conf but and i went to print a test page and nothing. i tried it twice. any ideas?

Is there a log i can look at?

stopped

"Filter failed"

^

try printing with simple nc

( if printer allows )

nc ip-adress-of-printer 9100 < file-to-print

9100 is port

i find cups to be an abomination but i digress

dsadsadas

irc unbroke :D

couldn't give a rats ass about the licensing get that Raspberry pi zero w support fully working so I don't have to install linsucks

we should rebraind the linsucks logo from the penguin to a big stinking fat black penis and rename it to systemd-INUX

ahh i just noticed it even have the word "inu" in it so we should make a shitcoin called linux-inu from it thats pretty much that pile of dogshit operating system is good for

Whats a good way to backup some system dirs? cp -r seems to skip some folders (mainly ~/.ssh and /etc/ssh)

Can't get dump working either :(

fragcula: For a general filesystem I suggest rsync. If the filesystem itself, like zfs, has support for snapshotting and distribution or snapshots, I'd aim for using those if applicable for your use case.

rsync -va <source_dir> <dest_dir> will include basically everything, including .-prefixed files and dirs

The skipping of /etc/ssh sounds a bit strange. I've never spotted anything in there that would be excluded by cp.

<koobs> "only time you need a reboot is..." <- If I'm not mistaken, very recently I found it necessary to go beyond `reboot -r` for a network-related change in `rc.conf` to take effect. NOAUTO

I had to, like, `shutdown -r now`

what is needed other than restarting netif and routing?

foof

yuripv, what was this about "one does not set up qmail"

yuripv: in retrospect, it might have been dhclient-related.

<discord.com/channels/72702375234843…117353616408577/1035702767748141157>, for anyone who uses Discord.

Title: Discord

Reinhilde: see, qmail made you misidentify the person you wanted to ask that question

yuripv, beep boop?

Ah, for Remilia as well as yourself yuripv.

kevans_: any updates on your dragonflybsd synth port to freebsd?

щ/

angry_vincent: I haven't had time to get back to it in a while, unfortunately

heh :)

kevans_: is there any specific dragonfly things?

I don't recall much, beyond the config having dflyisms

i see

i

Anyone here use neomutt?

jb1277976_: I do

meka: I want to use it because of the mailing list but I remember mitt very hard to setup. Hoe is the setup for neomutt?

Mutt was*

jb1277976_: neomutt is mutt with some features and none of them are about setup, so I would say it's the same

meka: Thanks

anyone ever seen this error when printing "stopped

"Filter failed"" ?

there are some hits on google but nothing really reated to freebsd

im still googleing

jb1277976_: error? what app??

here is the error log termbin.com/mifl

Yukiteru: cups main website. i added the printer then hit print test page

jb1277976_: ok, in that case, the error is for bad filter/driver for your printer

what printer model is??

Yukiteru: et-4760 on arch linux its the freshports.org/print/epson-inkjet-printer-escpr2

Title: FreshPorts -- print/epson-inkjet-printer-escpr2: Epson Inkjet Printer Driver 2 (ESC/P-R) for Linux

wonder why its not working

jb1277976_: this filter require linuxulator

Yukiteru: how did you find that in the log? i need to learn how to read this stuff

jb1277976_: in the freshport page is indicated

hmm

jb1277976_: this package is for linuxulator freshports.org/print/linux-c7-cups-libs

Title: FreshPorts -- print/linux-c7-cups-libs: Common UNIX Printing System libraries

install and configure linuxulator, install all dependencies in runtime, reboot system and test again

Under “Dependencies”

Aw

Kalten: correct :)

Nice attention to detail

You can tell this is my first time on a bsd :P

jb1277976_: not problem, work in linuxulator config and dependencies and test again

Yukiteru: i didn't see the linuxulator where did you get that?

I think, he means the linux emulation: freshports.org/emulators/linux-c7

Title: FreshPorts -- emulators/linux-c7: Meta-port for all things CentOS 7.9.2009

Title: Chapter 10. Linux Binary Compatibility | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

VimDiesel: twice at the same time ;-)

Ah: VimDiesel is a bot…

Kalten: so enable linux start it then try to print again? should i reinstall cups? and the driver for the printer?

Reinstallation will not be necessary, I think. I have allways rebooted the system after all these steps (linux_enable="YES"—see 10.2; linproc etc.—see 10.5 there)

So my laptop froze and i had to hard restart it by pressing the power button. i deleted printer and re-added it and it's working now

so wierd!

jb1277976_: hmmm: interesting. You had only mounted the linproc etc and startet the linux service by hand, and than the system got stock?

stuck?

something got stuck. i did su - then it said password and it froze

Interesting. Well: I hope, it will work now like a charm :-)

yea

i'm loving freebsd. been on it for a solid day

I can not even remember my beginnigs on freeBSD: it was at my university, that I do know, and IRC was part of it right in the beginning :-}

coming from a windows / debian / gentoo / arch background

(I am old:) DOS, Win3.* Win95, SuSE-Linux, FreeBSD

Kalten: remember dosshell?

:P

hmmmm… you mean command.com?

Title: DOS Shell - Wikipedia

COMSPEC=command.com (Blasphemy in #freebsd)

lol

no, I did use nc (Northon Commander), and in Win95++ TotalCommander? in Linux/freeBSD mc (freshports.org/misc/mc)

Wow you been on unix/linux like system for a long time

since 1995 using FreeBSD (in the beginningh at the university only)

Mate is so ugly lol

!man date

date(1) - display or set date and time freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=date

Kalten: mate the desktop, im looking for a good window manager or desktop env. somethign that my wife can come to and just use. of course i have virtualbox running windows for her. need something for my self cinnamon is out of the question

freshports.org/x11-wm/fvwm3 ;-)

Title: FreshPorts -- x11-wm/fvwm3: F? Virtual Window Manager

Well to configure, but not easy to configure. I like fvwm, but many do not.

KDE maybe?

haven't given kde a second thought since the 90's when it sucked hard 0_o

or early 20's

There've been some changes since then

yea the youtube videos of kde look really nice

Title: FreshPorts -- x11/kde5: KDE Plasma Desktop and Applications (current)

i'll give it a shot

I think, that one could be the latest?

looks complicated lol

The process will require 4 GiB more space. 2 GiB to be downloaded

KDE allways was and allways will be huge!

But fvwm is not to everyones taste :-)

There are solutions in-between those. Just sayin. :-)

;-)

Title: FreshPorts -- x11-wm

I think, some people liked

 freshports.org/x11-wm/afterstep

 freshports.org/x11-wm/enlightenment

Title: FreshPorts -- x11-wm/afterstep: Window manager originally based on the Bowman NeXTstep clone

Title: FreshPorts -- x11-wm/enlightenment: Artistic and fast X window manager

Title: FreshPorts -- x11-wm/fluxbox: Small and fast window manager based on BlackBox

Title: FreshPorts -- x11-wm/fvwm3: F? Virtual Window Manager

Title: FreshPorts -- x11-wm/windowmaker: GNUstep-compliant NeXTstep window manager clone

Title: FreshPorts -- x11-wm/xfce4: Meta-port for the Xfce Desktop Environment

Thanks Kalten

Use a pastebin.

morning

grahamperrin: re network related change, try service netif restart next time

it 'should' be addressing all network related changes (modulo loader changes)

ive seen it bork in certain states with respect to dhcp leases/etc

but, it should work the majority of the time

and if not, and its possible (at runtime), its a bug

`service netif restart` rarely works for me. I usually find myself using some weird combination that involves deprecated /etc/netstart

I don't doubt that networking is great for Netflix and many other use cases, but for me it's probably the worst aspect of FreeBSD.

Sup koobs

jb1277976_: how are you

grahamperrin: would be good know how/when/where/why it doesnt work

'raw' networking is fine, its our level of integration/polish/qol/ux for networking that isnt fantastic

OTOH, if you'll even try to suggest some kind of persistence and "better" UI, you'll get beaten on the mailing lists, so it stays the way it is :)

koobs: we talked about this but didn't get it. If I'm on current and I see something get fixed via bug website and they pushed it to the repos I can download or pull from gif or pkg install it and I will have that fix right?

Are pkg and ports updated together or separate?

I'm relatively new to FreeBSD. How do I set up paths for my shell?

I'm having trouble getting pip to work correctly

jb1277976_: you would update current (src), and build kernel and/or world

depending on where the change was localized to

you can often just rebuild/reinstall isolated components only

jb1277976_: packages are build *from* ports

ports get changes, packages are rebuilt on a certain cadence

for latest branch, its usually an increment every couple of days (building only port updates since last build)

quarterly is less frequent i believe

quarterly (packages)

yooey: heya, going to need more info to help :)

yooey: nothing special for PATH setup for your user/profile/shells

whats the issue?

I want to add a directory to my path but I don't know how the shell in freebsd works or what file to edit to do this

I just know its not bash so I assume it doesnt work like bash

broadly speaking, there's nothing freebsd specific (beyond posix'ey stuff), so .profile files, shell startup files (.zshrc for example) which are shell dependent

whos schell? root? the system itself? your own?

my user

yooey, What does this say? echo $0

sh

im using the default shell

there are multiple shells. which one is yours? You could use “chsh” to see it

If using sh then put PATH=$PATH:/whateveryouwanttoadd into the .profile file.

Can you do nfsv4 with zfs-share/zfsprops sharenfs?

you can find it /etc/passwd too

PATH is always an exported variable and does not need to be explicitly exported.

After doing this source the file to load the new value. . ./.profile

The next time you log out and log back in again it will take effect.

yooey, Are you running X? Or is this on the text vt console?

yooey: whats the issue with pip, and are you using ports/packages pip, or pip from pypi in --user or virtualenv?

I'm running X and using xterm

its installing packages in a folder thats not in path, this should fix the problem

What window manager? Something like XFCE?

WindowMaker

How do you start X? "exec xinit"? Or do you log into an X Display Manager?

yooey: with venvs/virtualenvwrapper PATH/PYTHONPATH is handled transprently, which motivates my questions

just with startx

Then what I said about .profile will be okay. If logging in with an xdm then that PATH setting also needs to go into ~/.xsessionrc file too.

I am using pip from packages

yooey: and your pip command, as --user or #/root ?

ill remember that last part for whever i stop being too lazy to configure xdm

yooey: whats the thing thats not 'seeing' the things at the path you want, and whats the path you want it to see ?

~/.local/bin

are you installing stuff there with pip --user (or venv/venvwrapper), or is that path 'custom' / manually setup ?

yooey: and what/where is the python thing not seeing the thing in ~/.local/bin ?

im just using pip install packagename

yooey: as root or user?

as my local user

gotcha

not root cuz thats bad

quite :)

So what youll want to do is venv/virtualenvwrapper to create venvs that inherit from system site packages

so that the venvs inherit (see) system packages

I added what i needed to my path, do i need to log out ad log i again

and you dont need to do the PATH hacks

you can either resource the profile/shell startup, or login again

koobs: I got ports set to the latest out pkg one of them

It worked

Yeah that was as straightforward as I expected it to be but I wasn't sure if there were any gotchas

yooey: virtualenvwrapper.readthedocs.io/en/latest -> installed via: freshports.org/devel/py-virtualenvwrapper

Title: virtualenvwrapper 4.8.5.dev15 — virtualenvwrapper 4.8.5.dev15 documentation

there's lots of gotchas

and pain :)

there are worse things

I've had much much much more pain on NetBSD

and its not a freebsd thing, its a PATH/python/import thing

no offese to NetBSD

If/when youre ready or have questions or need help setting up standard ways (to ebenfit from system packaging, whilst also doing what python ecosystem wants you to do for good UX/DX), hit us up in #freebsd-python

<-- freebsd/python team, so hit us up anytime

I appreciate the informatio

I appreciate the help

I find it annoying that python now simply assumes that PATH contains ~/.local/bin as a standard by fete accompli.

So I do need to build world once in a while or when new things get implemented

jb1277976_: operating systems dont update themselves, but youre not required to update

but generally, one wants to (at some cadence suitable to you), falling too far behind (~months+) can make upgrades harder