V_PauAmma_V, Onepamopa: for what it's worth, <docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/problem-reports/#pr-when>

> … Please do not submit problem reports that simply state that a newer version of an application is available. Ports maintainers are automatically notified …

Title: Writing FreeBSD Problem Reports | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

koobs: should that be added to <wiki.freebsd.org/Bugzilla/DosAndDonts#DON.27TS>?

Title: Bugzilla/DosAndDonts - FreeBSD Wiki

grahamperrin, are you referring to the report I filed for sysutils/libudisks?

grahamperrin: there's not a goal to match those two docs up

grahamperrin: treat stuff in the handbook as stale as they are

hence the refresh needed (rather than incremental edits

My personal position is

V_PauAmma_V: a conversation somewhere above that included Onepamopa, so I guess not. What's the bug number?

1) user requests to update a port to version show maintainers something that automated notifications cant, that users use/want it

2) automatic notification doesnt work in many cases

3) anything that adds transparency/accountability/quality of the maintainership role is a good thing

grahamperrin, I was asking because I filed it recently, as the port maintainer.

and that is one example

2) will be very useful to have documented

for example, it establishes a window of time from a request to resolution

which 'automated notifications dont do'

V_PauAmma_V: I remember a rework bug, I wasn't thinking of that one

grahamperrin: kinda sorta

grahamperrin: if we can get a good bugmeister/docs editing cadence going (with anyone) that would be great, and the main point

rather than specific edits

Not speaking about the rework one, which was someone more experienced giving me an object lesson in things and tricks I missed.

grahamperrin: 4) it happens infrequently enough that it doesnt warrant the explicit mention and the cost (DONT DO THIS)

just kidding

<docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/pr-guidelines> oh dear

Title: Problem Report Handling Guidelines | FreeBSD Documentation Portal

I'm pulling my hair out over here. can't get interal microphone detect at all. i think i been going at this all day. i have virtual_oss installed cuse.ko loaded. i'm out of options. anyone?

jb1277976: start with pciconf -lv output and /var/run/dmesg.boot output (pastebin)

ok

jb1277976: might be worth `sudo usbconfig dump_info` too

jb1277976: this is a good resource too: wiki.freebsd.org/Sound

Title: Sound - FreeBSD Wiki

koobs: termbin.com/93aj1 termbin.com/xov5 termbin.com/v9jp1

koobs: been looking at that wiki all day 0_o

jb1277976: also mixer, mixer -f /dev/mixer1, sysctl dev.hdaa and sysctl dev.hdac

jb1277976: hdac0: <Intel Tiger Lake HDA Controller> mem 0x601f288000-0x601f28bfff,0x601f000000-0x601f0fffff at device 31.3 on pci0

+ bsd.to/A0Rn/raw

Title: A0Rn

koobs What am i looking for?

id expect a 'rec' or 'mic' device there

im just snipping out relevant sound bits from your pastes

koobs: that's cause its on mixer 0

want the output?

koobs | jb1277976: also mixer, mixer -f /dev/mixer1, sysctl dev.hdaa and sysctl dev.hdac

yeh

of all those

koobs: termbin.com/6qqd

Title: Intel Tiger Lake-LP Smart Sound Technology Audio Controller

so at least your tiger lake HDA is supported 12.2+

koobs: sound works fine. just can't get the mic working or detected

yeh

Title: 262579 – Framework Laptop: headset/mic input issues

mmm

framework has the same HDA

"Aha, it is possible to record from /dev/dsp1 using the built-in mic."

mmmm

koobs: is that a good step? look at the bug website?

he'd want to see "(Internal Analog Mic)>"

also what would i be looking for on the bug site? input/output tigerlake?

well, were asking the question, what if anything have people reported re tiger lake sound + mic, if anything

ok

that bug contains very detailed 'debugging steps' to get in info etc

which may be helpful

jb1277976: as an example, this fix: cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=d88…1b0b9af4de5ecbe0cdae1cea6055c8c9ec8

Title: src - FreeBSD source tree

" Fix headphone (12th gen Intel laptops) and mic jack (both 11th and

12th gen) switching."

2022-09-13 (which if youre using the latest current, you should have)

but point being, there were headphone/mix switching issues in framework (which has tiger lake HDA sound controller)

Seriously koobs how are you getting this info? you should see my seaerch history since 9:00am PST

0_o

Title: "freebsd" "tiger lake" "microphone" - Google Search

just practiced search

and good at following tracks/clues

Mixer mic is currently set to 67:67

Mixer rec is currently set to 89:89

from your paste

mmmmmmmmmm

I never thought to look up tigerlake at all today. google searches duckduckgo searches. forums all go tricks but nothing

jb1277976: what about: sysctl dev.hdaa and sysctl dev.hdac

one sec let me get it

and whats the laptop model again ?

hp envy x360

is Spectre x260 same as Ency x360 ?

hdaa termbin.com/rzo3 hdac termbin.com/3j48

is Spectre x360 same as Envy x360 ?

i mean

prob

Title: Laptops/HP_Spectre_x360_13t-aw200 - FreeBSD Wiki

"I'm probably the first person to use ?TigerLake with FreeBSD, and all it's roadblocks."

lol

bad first sentence

"I initially switched to an AMD Ryzen-based HP Envy,"

mmmm

maybe not the same

yours is the ryzen yeh ?

hmmmm there is it: wiki.freebsd.org/Laptops/HP_Envy_x360_13-ay0021nr

Title: Laptops/HP_Envy_x360_13-ay0021nr - FreeBSD Wiki

"FreeBSD support is more-or-less worry-free on the Envy"

ok thats good i spose

naw mine is all intel

let me get the specs

mmmmm

please

:)

but for that model at least

can i get it from the termina;?

"The only thing that doesn't work as of now is built-in Wi-Fi and speakers (headphones are fine), but nothing when compared to the Intel TigerLake HP Spectre. "

no speakers, is ... odd.

label on bottom of lappy

should have a model

number

rather than 'name'

for the specific version/revision info

one sec

Title: Internal Microphone not working on HP Envy 13 | The FreeBSD Forums

one week ago

thats not you is it ? :)

" I haven't been able to get the internal microphone working yet."

"The HP website describes the microphone as "HP Wide Vision HD Camera with integrated dual array digital microphone"."

ahh, mic is via WEBCAM?@!#

ok so hint one is, boot verbose, so we can see the pins being reported (in /var/run/dmesg.boot)

and this is why you went down the webcamd/cuse route?

"I wasn't able to get ffmpeg to record, but when I set the default pcm to 0 with sysctl hw.snd.default_unit=0, then rec foo.wav successfully records from the headphone jack. "

ok, they can record, via via the headphone jack, weird

so we're gonna need a sound expert :D

emaste: !

i have NO idea about sound / pins / debugging freebsd

but i dont think this will be tough to work out

jb1277976: but yeh, the good new (also a 'little' bad), is we found a Oct 14 2022 (< two week old) report of identical symptoms on identical hardware

sorry koobs had to look under laptop and get model and it wen to hibernate lol

jb1277976: thats ok, did you miss all my text?

koobs: Model 4N715UA

looking at the backlog

Title: xM0X

especially after 2:26

yeh its this: support.hp.com/us-en/document/c07914557

Title: HP ENVY x360 Convert 15m-es1013dx Product Specifications | HP® Customer Support

wtf the microphone is via the webcam?

"apparently

i been doing this all wrong :P

and they got mic recording going via headphone jack

interesting from: support.hp.com/us-en/document/c07914557 though: it says "1 headphone/microphone combo"

Title: HP ENVY x360 Convert 15m-es1013dx Product Specifications | HP® Customer Support

wtf is that

might be more details in product/service manual (so worth going through those)

jb1277976: also, if youre behind on firmwares/bios, check the changelogs for those too (even if you dont update)

HP is relatively good with explaining changes

yea dam. i needed to start with the basics

webcam is noted as:

 

HP Wide Vision 720p HD camera with camera shutter and integrated dual array digital microphones

yeh, good lesson

but, we got you progress

another user with same hardware/issue

partial workaround (record via headphone jack)

and possibly explanation for that workaround (shared headphone/mic jack?)

How do i do that?

plus the lead for the mics being via webcam (possible)

how do you do what ?

how do i record from headphone jack?

no idea

lol

im reporting what the forum post user said

got it

so, read my pastbin (backlog here), and the forum post (take your time)

ok thanks

jb1277976: if it were me, if be 'confirming' how the mic pins are setup (is it via webcam? the docs say it has two mic's)

so my next step would be getting that going

then next question is, is that 'the same thing as' the 'internal mic'

or not

and id branch out my search from freebsd to not freebsd specific

so look at the manual?

because guaranteed other OS's either have same problem, or they identified 'whats needed to enable it by default'

which we could copy

Title: HP "envy" "microphone" - Google Search

lol, theres a FAQ entry for this at HP

"Does the HP Envy x 360 have a built in microphone?"

Title: Solved: Does the HP Envy x 360 have a built in microphone? - HP Support Community - 7705039

"Solved: HP Envy x360. No microphone. Model #15M-EE0013DX"

Title: Solved: HP Envy x360. No microphone. Model #15M-EE0013DX - Page 2 - HP Support Community - 7707746

youtube: HP Envy - microphone doesnt work - youtube.com/watch?v=EmPVXJHzu1o

Title: HP Envy - microphone doesn't work - YouTube

there we go

yeh, so 'x360 internal mic no worky' is 'a thing' :)

ubuntu: Internal microphone not detected: 20.04, HP Envy x360 ..

Title: sound - Internal microphone not detected: 20.04, HP Envy x360, Ryzen 5 4500 - Ask Ubuntu

Thanks for everything koobs I wasn't gonna give up until i get it working lol

yeh dont

this might have to require you chasing down the root cause

which will help our devs fix it

any fixes for your model in linux or other os's

would be handy to know about

ok i thought it was only realted to freebsd

i will look on linux distros

you have all the links you need above

let us know if you find anything interesting

bbl

Thank you

youre welcome

rawr

if my site's being ddos'd i say my site's getting attacked. what do i say if my site's getting too much LEGITIMATE traffic? like a big site starts linking it

polyex: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slashdot_effect

Title: Slashdot effect - Wikipedia

ya read it

koobs: Look what I just found forums.freebsd.org/threads/internal…one-not-working-on-hp-envy-13.86764 exact issue

Title: Internal Microphone not working on HP Envy 13 | The FreeBSD Forums

Used bing.com

Maybe not like mine but close

which is channel for freebsd chat?

gnathat: you might try #freebsd-social

So I created a zipfile with zip(1)

Now I'm running 'zip -e file.zip' against it to encrypt it with a password.

It prompts me for the password twice, they prints an error saying 'nothing to do'

What am i doing wrong.

?

Nevermind. ..

not read the man page? :>

reading

CrtxReavr: -e is an option, not a command

if I recall right the format does not prohibit having only some of the files encrypted

Oh, I read it. . . well searched around.

You gotta use -e upon zipfile creation. . . manpage was not clear on that.

so 'zip -e file.zip file1 file2 . . .'

tbh I do not know of any archivers with a dedicated encrypt command that would encrypt the contents of an existing archive

Well, got zip(1) to do what I needed - tested the extraction with Windows' built-in zip functionality.

is there a way to get the boot log output to have times?

Because the boot log is only written to /var/log/messages (which has timestamps) when the system is effectively finished booting…

meena: no idea if it's new or not, but kern.msgbuf_show_timestamp is a thing in main

kevans: well, i am on 14.0-CURRENT

tristate, 0/1/2 no/sec/usec

I have it in 12.3

is this a sysctl or kenv variable?

kern, apparantly it was already in 9.1

loader tunable

Title: gist:df99adad7408773342530e51fb45d255 · GitHub

46 seconds

now it looks like linux

lol

yeah, so I guess just the usec part is new

so, something very fishy going on with em driver there… or the qemu implementation on the other side

without that nic, 20 seconds to boot

why not vtnet?

yuripv: i have vtnet, and re, too, just testing various combinations… all in the name of cloud-init

got it!

how the heck is GENERIC-MMCCAM faster than GENERIC-NODEBUG??

on hardware?

kevans: on this virtual machine… libvirt/qemu running on a Linux laptop

I have to run MMCCAM on my RPis when I run those, the old stack never drives the controller above 400 (Hz? KHz? don't remember) so I/O is painfully slow

ahh

so, like, most devices are virtio

but, like, GENERIC-NODEBUG should just be GENERIC… without DEBUG stuff, while GENERIC-MMCCAM should still have DEBUG stuff, right?

FreeBSD boot log

Rotfl I thought this was bing 😭

Can freebsd use windows drivers like wrappers or something?

Title: ndis(4)

looks like it won't last much longer

rtprio: That for me?

I could always download a 12 release though right and don't upgrade

jb1277976: yes, that's the wrapper you were asking about. it's usually easier to secure a supported card.

rtprio: I need a driver for my internal microphone

"Webcam

HP Wide Vision 720p HD camera with camera shutter and integrated dual array digital microphones"

unlikly that will work

rtprio On freebsd?

do you think current or stable will work? or no in genreal ?

cheap generic webcams have a tendency to not work

There is no point in keep pulling my hair out even though koobs helped me a lot. that this won't work. it was fun being on freebsd and i know i can install it but if the microphone won't work i gotta cut my lossess

if you know what i mean

rtprio: The webcam is built in

Title: HP ENVY x360 Convert 15m-es1013dx Product Specifications | HP® Customer Support

i don't current would work; but i suppose you could give it a try

koobs: note re "headphone/mix switching issues in framework", this is just a symptom of our headphone/mic switching architecture... we need a holistic solution to this, not special cases for each device

Hi people, any idea how to get rid of geli metadata? I'm currently stuck remotely re-installing a system. Long story short, the loader seems to detect some geli metadata that is a left over of the previous FreeBSD 12 installation (that was ZFS on root+geli), and I'm prompted with the password of the previous geli system. So far I tried "geli clear <devices>" but of course it just gives enigmatic "Cannot

clear metadata on ada0: Invalid argument / geli: Not fully done".

I did also attempt destroying the GPT tables completely, and after first getting "Device busy", I managed to do so using the "-F" flag with gpart; after reinstalling again on the "fresh disks" the loader still detects geli metadata and still prompts for password

are you able to run the geli cli ? then could try geli clear

that is the problem, it does not work

ah sorry didn't see your message there

# geli clear ada1

Cannot clear metadata on ada1: Invalid argument.

geli: Not fully done.

Even wiping/destroying disks from a rescue linux system did not help

are you sure that you want to specify that whole disk instead of some partition?

the loader gets stuck asking the password for a particular partition of the first disk (p4) but the partition tables are long gone

unless gpart destroy -F lied to me

did you recreate the same partition table after?

yeah

then i guess i would try the geli clear on the partition in question since the partition table is the same as it was before

the partitions are no longer there since a while

did you try with fully overriding the disk with zeros? afaik there is a backup partition table at the end of the disk, so just overriding the one at the start won't work

nimaje, no that is what i was trying to avoid todo

and the only solution that came to my mind

usually its enough just to whack the first 10M or so

then use gpart to re-init the table

dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ada0 bs=1M count=20

little excessive it should work though

ada1 **

yeah lets try that before doing that on the entire disk(s), that is excessive :P

:)

thanks, im going to try that before wiping out the disks completely :)

however, where the heck is geli storing this metadata? geli clear should have a "-F" flag as well

mmh i guess that did not work

also i forgot to mention that im installing using mfsbsd, so I have to dd on the disks on in order to that (and metadata is still there..) I guess possibly at end at this point?

tsk: i wonder if you could create a zpool over it and destroy it

the fact that im still seeing "device busy" when trying to destroy the thing, suggest me that something is using the disk (ZFS or geli layer), given that asks for the password after i create a brand new partition schema + zfs on root without geli this time

rtprio: that is what im doing :(

before was ZFS+geli, now im doing ZFS only

however, could not destroy the geli thing before, because the root of the system was on it

tsk, you tried rebooting into your shell after you have done the dd

rebooting the system

anything that has a lock will likely fail it next boot

as there is no partition table

yes that is how im doing the installation

by the way dd mfsbsd -> works fine

mfsbsd loader not detecting the geli stuff, probably not compiled in?

probably I think geli is kldloaded by default

actually so is zfs

which is the ideal position to do the dd from as nothing will have a lock on the disk

yeah im trying to do dd zero on all disk now but its taking ages (and i have two to go :D), nevertheless this *should* work

:D

:)

How do you erase a thumb drive on freebsd ?

Depends what you mean by erase.

You wan to erase evidence of your crimes, or just free up some space?

CrtxReavr: Erase it so its free and i can put files on it

Then I guess mount it, and delete what's there.

ok thanks

When you insert it, you should see a kernel message about /dev/daX being added?

'dmesg' should tell you.

i keep getting operation not permitted as root

o_O

When you do what?

dd command

What happned to just deleting files?

dd is more in the hide your crimes catagory?

What did command are you running?

can i do both?

You can, but then you'd need to create a new partion & re-newfs it.

dam

ok i gotta go thought. thanks

You gotta love people that just blindly swing dd around like an ax.

It wasn't clear to me that they understood the difference between files and devices, or between deleting files and shredding files.

One is like erasing the temporary markings on a whiteboard with an eraser. The other is like burning the whiteboard entirely!

There a way to get guest additions or something in FreeBSD via Virt-manager ?

emaste: yep, i did a bit of a deep dive into how linux handles these crazy pin special configurations issues - Sound Open Firmware (sof-firmware) and runtime (not hardcoded) configuration/quirking,

emaste: i think a great first step would be to make reporting issues, and the info required to identify configurations required per device/class/whatever, suyper easy for users

the barrier/overhead to debugging / reporting info needed to get stuff sorted (relatively quick once specific issues/config is identified) is way too h igh

emaste: it would be great if some base sound devs could list out the things/info that help us isolate issues quickly

Hi koobs gave up on my quest to get my microphone. Plus some of the feedback from today. All in all there are some stuff out there that talk about tiger lake nothing concrete. After 3 days or so decided to run freebsd in a vm to test it more. Thanks for all your help