koobs: o/

mason: o/~

hi koobs o/

edenist: o/~ how are you ?

well thanks koobs, yourself?

[sorry totally zoned out and missed the ping, heh]

edenist: not too shabby

and all good :)

:-)

i try and make zfs set snapdir=visible zroot/disk but it doesnt apply to datasets of that type. tried to set on zroot/disk@snapshot but then it said property can't be modified for snapshot

i made /zroot/vms/ have snapdir=visible. i can see volumes in /dev/zvol/zroot, but i can't see any of their snapshots. /zroot/vms/.zfs/snapshot/ exists but it's empty

I'm in a bit of a bind - in single user mode. Root FS is ufs and, before rebooting, I moved /usr/* to a new zpool called 'expanded' ... goal of single user mode is to remount that zpool from /expanded to /usr ... I tried zpool export and import but I'm not finding success

Currently, zpool import usr says that 'usr' is a pool that already exists (which would be great) but I can't 'ls /usr'

i mixed up snapdir with snapdev hehe sorry

sorry space im a noob

dunno how to fix ur prob

polyex, right there with you...including mixing up stuff. I've got decades of experience with tech and still feel like a noob compared to the experts :)

I think I sorted it... multitude of errors (on my end)... when I exported the old zpool and re-imported as usr it ended up having a path of /usr/usr ... a simple mv /usr/usr* /usr (in single user mode) fixed it

Mind you, I'm not 10 steps deep in simply trying to do a ports upgrade ... but I'd run out of space and needed to add a new drive 🤣

ya me too man

I keep coming back to an appreciation of FreeBSD's simplicity and adherence to (what probably dates me as) old-school standards. I had to work on an ubuntu server today with netplan networking and it was awful

ya but read all the earned hype about linux using rust now. linux starting to leave freebsd behind even more

i wonder how hard it is to learn

My similar concern is networking - pfSense and TrueNAS moving to linux-based cores for higher performance :( ... I love my Netgate hardware but FreeBSD chokes on intra-vlan routing that Linux can do on the same hardware and that makes me sad

ya im kinda uneasy

i think freebsd ppl are too old and out of it to know what kinda revolution rust is

btw you know how to mount a zfs zvol snapshot? i wanna diff the FS of 2 zvol snapshots to see what changed

use mount

is it possible to mount into a temporary dir? like so i dont have to mkdir /mnt/default before i run mount -t ufs /dev/zvol/zroot/vms/disk@raw /mnt/raw then delete it?

so then after i unmount the temp dir would go away automatically

no

k well i made a /mnt/raw dir manually, tried sudo mount -t ufs /dev/zvol/zroot/vms/disk@raw /mnt/raw and now it complains that no such file or dir

crw-r------ is the snapshot perms on disk

llua how do i use mount to mount a zfs zvol snapshot? its snapdev prop value is visible, i can see it on disk

i searched for tuts but didnt find anything u sure it's possible to mount a zfs zvol snapshot?

polyex: if it's ufs, you'll need to create the mountpoint

is that a zfs thing i do or?

rather, did you `mkdir /mnt/raw` ?

yep

under sudo

i suspect that /dev/zvol/zroot/vms/disk@raw does not exist

but i can ls -la it, copy pasting from the error output, and FS gives me its details :/

should snapshot owner be root:operator?

i don't see snapshots in /dev/zvol

where are yours? in /zroot?

elliot@freebsd:~$ zfs list |grep zvol

z/zvol 104M 34.5G 56K -

elliot@freebsd:~$ ls -al /dev/zvol/z/

crw-r----- 1 root operator 0x6b Sep 15 20:05 zvol

hmmm i dont get anything returned

that's it

why don't i get anything from zfs list grep?

you should get your zvol; assuming you `grep vms`

i have zfs filessystems and volumes, and snapshots of each, and they all back bhyve guests and they're running right now

nothing says zvol in zfs list. my zroot/vms points to /zroot/vms, which has .zfs/snapshot but nothing in it

right, to compare a snapshot is.. not going to be fun

but it's possible right?

pastebin your `zfs list`

and what is the path to the drive you're tying to compare

but /zroot/vms/ is empty, right?

it has .zfs/snapshot in it, but empty

but is the disk your vm us using is /zroot/vms/disk the zvol or something else

zvols and snapshots appear to be in /dev/zvol/zroot/vms/

in there is like, disk, disk@default, disk@snap1, disk2, disk2⊙d.

perms on everything in there, zvols and snapshots, are crw-r----- root:operator

zvols and zvol snapshots* (they arent fs snapshots)

you'll have to `zfs clone` your snapshot, and then you can mount it somewhere else

when i make a snapshot i run zfs snapshot zroot/vms/disk@snap#

why is my stuff in the wrong dir tho first?

what makes you think it's in the wrong directory?

i just thought they were supposed to go in /zroot/vms/.zfs/snapshot

if it's a zfs filesystem; but zvols are just a chunk of blocks (in your case formatted with ufs)

ok so i gotta clone the zvol snapshot, then mount clone, then do same for other snapshot, then diff their mounts?

if you're trying to diff two snapshots, yes; if you're trying to diff the zvol and a snapshot, no.

ooooo

you might consider setting no mountpoint for zroot/vms to reduce confusion

was just running into that trying out zfs-clone and missing target dataset. what sets it?

i dont remember setting it

you need to name the new volume created from the snapshot

rather than cloning to volume, any way to cut out a step and clone right into mounting maybe in a tmp dir?

someone else may correct me, but it doesn't look like it.

first i should unset zroot/vms like you said. i guess thats zfs inherit mountpoint ?

zfs inherit mountpoint zroot/vms

it's already inherited; you want it to not inherit

zfs mountpoint=? zroot/vms

zfs set mountpoint=? zroot/vms

i found a forum thread asking for zfs-unset but seems zfs set inherit was what ppl use. what's the value you're talking about?

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oh think i got it

NO WAY

well i think i got the zfs clone to work. i see it at /dev/zvol/zroot/diskdefaultclone. crw-r----- root:operator. but sudo mount /dev/zvol/zroot/diskdefaultclone /mnt/default errors no such file or dir. but i can ls -la it

hey guys, is the new libxft with bgra support in 12.3?

has started now

nice

can't wait to have some colored emoji in my dwm, dmenu and st

rtprio?

polyex: you want to specify fs type in your mount command, otherwise it defaults to ufs (and gives that confusing error, yes)

isn't ufs the right type?

is it?

not sure. it's a clone of a zfs zvol snapshot

zvol is just a "device"

bhyve vms use zfs zvols. i want to diff 2 zvol snapshots, to see what's changed in a vm. so i guess i need to clone the zvol snapshot then mount the clones then diff them. is that right?

polyex: there is also zfs diff which might help with snapshots

that's for FS types, not zvols

FS snapshot not zvol snapshot

yuripv ^

is there any way to install libXft 2.3.6 in 12.3-RELEASE?

Clone ports tree; checkout the right commit; build, install

/j #valheim

pardon :/

so, I just discovered that sanoid snapshots are not atomic, even with recursive = yes

hi

having an old problem here, can't install freebsd on this laptop because it won't detect my SSD, it's simply not on the list

neither geom nor camcontrol show it

the SSD is LITEON CX1-JB512-HP ATA

incidentally, no such issue on windows or linux, it's just bsd

not sure what to look for

in BIOS SATA mode is AHCI and there's no way i can change that, oddly enough

no bsd support

can someone recommend me something that is better than sanoid?

Plasmoduck, support for what?

hi Moebius

i mean what exactly is wrong about this ssd what freesbd can't support

hey psydroid

what=that*

maybe you could try grepping dmesg for that device

psydroid, by the way, in version 13.1 they fixed the reboots/hangups, no need to go to uefi mode anymore

that's good, but ssd issue is still there

to see if it is detected at all and if some error message is printed

psydroid, thought about it, but something tells me i won't see much... but let me try. Just tired of rebooting heh

Moebius, freebsd is picky with my hardware too

openbsd is much less picky and works on almost everything but has other downsides

I had the opposite taste

it would be interesting if you could try openbsd even if briefly

FreeBSD works where OpenBSD did not work (only 1 occasion)

psydroid, ibb.co/N2byfXw

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must be it but it's not very revealing

as you can see below goes the hdd on channel 1, which is fine

Moebius, this is freebsd, right?

yep

it doesn't even seem to detect the Lite-On drive

yes, that's what i'm saying.. it's perfectly invisible to it

this is the same Zbook btw.. i installed freebsd on this older HP laptop here that i'm using as a server now, no probs there, but my main laptop is still an issue. At least they fixed the UEFI/framebuffer bug or whatever it was, now it won't suddenly reboot in legacy mode

i'm just beginning to like how small and thrifty bsd is, so i thought i wanna give a whirl to the desktop version right here

but if i don't find a cure for this.. oh well, server alone it is

I guess all you can do for now is to make a bug report against FreeBSD 13.1, although I'm not sure if any developer will be able to get hold of this exact SSD

I also use most of my older hardware with BSD

does FreeBSD have an equivalent to Linux' /proc/cmdline? that is, passing parameters from the bootloader to the kernel

Moebius, if you could do one more thing it would be to test with the OpenBSD installer to see if it is detected at all

I wouldn't be surprised if it got detected there

mena maybe a sysctl?

paulf: i don't know, that's why i'm asking

I don't usually boot

FreeBSD with something like GRUB, which allows that

I don't know if our bootloader allows that

meena, it must have something. Otherwise "boot -s" in the loader wouldn't work, I think.

kenv kernel.options

kenv kernel_optons

boot -s sets boot_single in kenv then boots

will do psydroid, thanks

kevans: cool. so, how i pass parameters to the kernel? (without modifying loader.conf?)

meena set name=value then enter boot

tsoome__: set that where? Will it work thru quemu?

before kernel is loader;)

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i am trying to build qemu in poudriere without the GTK and X11 dependency , but when i check the build package file with pkg info -d, it still depends on them. i've removed the GTK and X11 options with the 'poudriere options' command, which i can check has taken effect, using 'poudriere options -s'. i feel like i've addressed this before but can't remember. curious if anyone knows about this

i've just been re-building it by deleting the package and then building it again in poudriere

i cant figure out how to mount a clone of a zfs zvol snapshot. anyone done that before know how?

i did the clone but when i try to mount it says no such file or dir. but i can see it at the tpath

polyex: are you sure you are selecting a partition to mount, not just the entire volume? (assuming you have your filesystems inside partitions there)

no

so i guess that's what i gotta do, mount a partition?

if you normally mount a partition on that volume, that is what you would need to do on the clone, for example /dev/zvol/mypool/myvolumep1

since it's a clone of the volume

OK!! i tried myvolumep1 but itsaid no file found too. but myvolumep2 WORKED

finally some progress omg ty

sure, you can always look at your partitions with gpart show to see what it is

"gpart show"?

the command `gpart show` will show you some info about detected partitions

and i guess the partitions detected on zfs snapshots, clones, zvols etc always appear there also

(i mean for zvols only)

if i wanna mount a zfs zvol (not a snapshot of it) do i gotta clone it and mount one of its partitions too? or can we mount those more directly?

no, you can do it directly, from /dev/zvol, though i usually like to set a label on the partitions so that they appear in /dev/gpt

back

if i wanna mount a zfs zvol (not a snapshot of it) do i gotta clone it and mount one of its partitions too? or can we mount those more directly?

20:54 < jmnbtslsQE> no, you can do it directly, from /dev/zvol, though i usually like to set a label on the partitions so that they appear in /dev/gpt

can mount it directly wow. to mount it directly that means i need its partitions to show which means volmode can't be dev because that hides partitions, right?

how do i make fsck fix a zfs zvol snapshot clone partition that's marked dirty?

sudo fsck and sudo fsck -p helped!

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and then an avalanche of garbage

i should probably put this on bugzilla

can we run diff and have it show paths that differ, but not output their contents?

i wanna start with a list then do individual file comparisons

-q!

YASSS

I CAN DIFF 2 ZVOL SNAPSHOT CLONES OF A BHYVE VM ZVOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOLOLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL