00:01:31 <mason> koobs: o/
00:01:40 <koobs> mason: o/~
00:42:16 <edenist> hi koobs o/
00:42:41 <koobs> edenist: o/~ how are you ?
01:22:29 <edenist> well thanks koobs, yourself?
01:22:39 <edenist> [sorry totally zoned out and missed the ping, heh]
01:35:54 <koobs> edenist: not too shabby
01:35:56 <koobs> and all good :)
01:36:03 <edenist> :-)
03:25:40 <polyex> i try and make zfs set snapdir=visible zroot/disk but it doesnt apply to datasets of that type. tried to set on zroot/disk@snapshot but then it said property can't be modified for snapshot
03:49:09 <polyex> i made /zroot/vms/ have snapdir=visible. i can see volumes in /dev/zvol/zroot, but i can't see any of their snapshots. /zroot/vms/.zfs/snapshot/ exists but it's empty
03:53:50 <SpaceBass> I'm in a bit of a bind - in single user mode. Root FS is ufs and, before rebooting, I moved /usr/* to a new zpool called 'expanded' ... goal of single user mode is to remount that zpool from /expanded to /usr ... I tried zpool export and import but I'm not finding success
03:54:55 <SpaceBass> Currently, zpool import usr says that 'usr' is a pool that already exists (which would be great) but I can't 'ls /usr'
03:55:14 <polyex> i mixed up snapdir with snapdev hehe sorry
04:04:10 <polyex> sorry space im a noob
04:04:20 <polyex> dunno how to fix ur prob
04:04:55 <SpaceBass> polyex,  right there with you...including mixing up stuff. I've got decades of experience with tech and still feel like a noob compared to the experts :)
04:06:32 <SpaceBass> I think I sorted it... multitude of errors (on my end)... when I exported the old zpool and re-imported as usr it ended up having a path of /usr/usr ... a simple mv /usr/usr* /usr (in single user mode) fixed it
04:07:16 <SpaceBass> Mind you, I'm not 10 steps deep in simply trying to do a ports upgrade ... but I'd run out of space and needed to add a new drive 🤣
04:08:14 <polyex> ya me too man
04:15:27 <SpaceBass> I keep coming back to an appreciation of FreeBSD's simplicity and adherence to (what probably dates me as) old-school standards. I had to work on an ubuntu server today with netplan networking and it was awful
04:22:22 <polyex> ya but read all the earned hype about linux using rust now. linux starting to leave freebsd behind even more
04:22:51 <polyex> i wonder how hard it is to learn
04:25:30 <SpaceBass> My similar concern is networking - pfSense and TrueNAS moving to linux-based cores for higher performance :( ... I love my Netgate hardware but FreeBSD chokes on intra-vlan routing that Linux can do on the same hardware and that makes me sad
04:31:28 <polyex> ya im kinda uneasy
04:31:46 <polyex> i think freebsd ppl are too old and out of it to know what kinda revolution rust is
04:32:23 <polyex> btw you know how to mount a zfs zvol snapshot? i wanna diff the FS of 2 zvol snapshots to see what changed
04:32:42 <llua> use mount
04:36:49 <polyex> is it possible to mount into a temporary dir? like so i dont have to mkdir /mnt/default before i run mount -t ufs /dev/zvol/zroot/vms/disk@raw /mnt/raw then delete it?
04:37:22 <polyex> so then after i unmount the temp dir would go away automatically
04:40:01 <llua> no
04:41:25 <polyex> k well i made a /mnt/raw dir manually, tried sudo mount -t ufs /dev/zvol/zroot/vms/disk@raw /mnt/raw and now it complains that no such file or dir
04:42:01 <polyex> crw-r------ is the snapshot perms on disk
04:49:47 <polyex> llua how do i use mount to mount a zfs zvol snapshot? its snapdev prop value is visible, i can see it on disk
05:13:57 <polyex> i searched for tuts but didnt find anything u sure it's possible to mount a zfs zvol snapshot?
06:01:51 <rtprio> polyex: if it's ufs, you'll need to create the mountpoint
06:02:16 <polyex> is that a zfs thing i do or?
06:02:41 <rtprio> rather, did you `mkdir /mnt/raw` ?
06:02:46 <polyex> yep
06:02:51 <polyex> under sudo
06:03:52 <rtprio> i suspect that /dev/zvol/zroot/vms/disk@raw does not exist
06:04:50 <polyex> but i can ls -la it, copy pasting from the error output, and FS gives me its details :/
06:06:39 <polyex> should snapshot owner be root:operator?
06:06:54 <rtprio> i don't see snapshots in /dev/zvol
06:07:43 <polyex> where are yours? in /zroot?
06:08:10 <rtprio> elliot@freebsd:~$ zfs list |grep zvol
06:08:10 <rtprio> z/zvol            104M  34.5G    56K  -
06:08:57 <rtprio> elliot@freebsd:~$ ls -al /dev/zvol/z/
06:09:02 <rtprio> crw-r-----  1 root  operator  0x6b Sep 15 20:05 zvol
06:09:05 <polyex> hmmm i dont get anything returned
06:09:06 <rtprio> that's it
06:09:26 <polyex> why don't i get anything from zfs list grep?
06:09:50 <rtprio> you should get your zvol; assuming you `grep vms`
06:09:54 <polyex> i have zfs filessystems and volumes, and snapshots of each, and they all back bhyve guests and they're running right now
06:11:21 <polyex> nothing says zvol in zfs list. my zroot/vms points to /zroot/vms, which has .zfs/snapshot but nothing in it
06:11:22 <rtprio> right, to compare a snapshot is.. not going to be fun
06:11:36 <polyex> but it's possible right?
06:11:52 <rtprio> pastebin your `zfs list`
06:12:25 <rtprio> and what is the path to the drive you're tying to compare
06:15:52 <polyex> https://termbin.com/0s80
06:17:44 <rtprio> but /zroot/vms/ is empty, right?
06:19:09 <polyex> it has .zfs/snapshot in it, but empty
06:19:43 <rtprio> but is the disk your vm us using is /zroot/vms/disk the zvol or something else
06:20:39 <polyex> zvols and snapshots appear to be in /dev/zvol/zroot/vms/
06:21:04 <polyex> in there is like, disk, disk@default, disk@snap1, disk2, disk2⊙d.
06:21:38 <polyex> perms on everything in there, zvols and snapshots, are crw-r----- root:operator
06:22:20 <polyex> zvols and zvol snapshots* (they arent fs snapshots)
06:23:00 <rtprio> you'll have to `zfs clone` your snapshot, and then you can mount it somewhere else
06:23:03 <polyex> when i make a snapshot i run zfs snapshot zroot/vms/disk@snap#
06:23:20 <polyex> why is my stuff in the wrong dir tho first?
06:23:41 <rtprio> what makes you think it's in the wrong directory?
06:24:06 <polyex> i just thought they were supposed to go in /zroot/vms/.zfs/snapshot
06:25:06 <rtprio> if it's a zfs filesystem; but zvols are just a chunk of blocks (in your case formatted with ufs)
06:26:41 <polyex> ok so i gotta clone the zvol snapshot, then mount clone, then do same for other snapshot, then diff their mounts?
06:27:14 <rtprio> if you're trying to diff two snapshots, yes; if you're trying to diff the zvol and a snapshot, no.
06:27:44 <polyex> ooooo
06:29:13 <rtprio> you might consider setting no mountpoint for zroot/vms to reduce confusion
06:31:35 <polyex> was just running into that trying out zfs-clone and missing target dataset. what sets it?
06:31:40 <polyex> i dont remember setting it
06:32:27 <rtprio> you need to name the new volume created from the snapshot
06:35:00 <polyex> rather than cloning to volume, any way to cut out a step and clone right into mounting maybe in a tmp dir?
06:35:53 <rtprio> someone else may correct me, but it doesn't look like it.
06:36:55 <polyex> first i should unset zroot/vms like you said. i guess thats zfs inherit mountpoint ?
06:37:07 <polyex> zfs inherit mountpoint zroot/vms
06:38:03 <rtprio> it's already inherited; you want it to not inherit
06:38:27 <polyex> zfs mountpoint=? zroot/vms
06:38:37 <polyex> zfs set mountpoint=? zroot/vms
06:39:17 <polyex> i found a forum thread asking for zfs-unset but seems zfs set inherit was what ppl use. what's the value you're talking about?
06:45:41 <polyex> https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/completely-remove-user-defined-property-from-root-level-dataset.56106/
06:45:42 <VimDiesel> Title: Solved - Completely remove user-defined property from root-level dataset | The FreeBSD Forums
06:48:05 <luna> https://bsdtv-hls.secdn.net/bsdtv-channel/play/input_track1.smil/playlist.m3u8 Day 2 of the FreeBSD Developer Summit being streamed atm
06:48:25 <polyex> oh think i got it
06:48:35 <polyex> NO WAY
07:02:45 <polyex> well i think i got the zfs clone to work. i see it at /dev/zvol/zroot/diskdefaultclone. crw-r----- root:operator. but sudo mount /dev/zvol/zroot/diskdefaultclone /mnt/default errors no such file or dir. but i can ls -la it
07:34:11 <Plasmoduck> hey guys, is the new libxft with bgra support in 12.3?
07:47:14 <luna> has started now
07:49:15 <Plasmoduck> nice
07:49:56 <Plasmoduck> can't wait to have some colored emoji in my dwm, dmenu and st
08:26:48 <polyex> rtprio?
09:17:23 <yuripv> polyex: you want to specify fs type in your mount command, otherwise it defaults to ufs (and gives that confusing error, yes)
09:17:52 <polyex> isn't ufs the right type?
09:18:01 <yuripv> is it?
09:18:12 <polyex> not sure. it's a clone of a zfs zvol snapshot
09:18:48 <yuripv> zvol is just a "device"
09:20:56 <polyex> bhyve vms use zfs zvols. i want to diff 2 zvol snapshots, to see what's changed in a vm. so i guess i need to clone the zvol snapshot then mount the clones then diff them. is that right?
09:30:08 <meka> polyex: there is also zfs diff which might help with snapshots
09:30:24 <polyex> that's for FS types, not zvols
09:30:38 <polyex> FS snapshot not zvol snapshot
09:36:51 <polyex> yuripv ^
10:06:45 <Plasmoduck> is there any way to install libXft 2.3.6 in 12.3-RELEASE?
10:22:44 <parv> Clone ports tree; checkout the right commit; build, install
11:53:28 <FaFaS>  /j #valheim
11:53:31 <FaFaS> pardon :/
12:55:15 <mage> so, I just discovered that sanoid snapshots are not atomic, even with recursive = yes
12:56:01 <Moebius> hi
12:56:30 <Moebius> having an old problem here, can't install freebsd on this laptop because it won't detect my SSD, it's simply not on the list
12:57:07 <Moebius> neither geom nor camcontrol show it
12:57:12 <Moebius> the SSD is LITEON CX1-JB512-HP ATA
12:57:26 <Moebius> incidentally, no such issue on windows or linux, it's just bsd
12:57:47 <Moebius> not sure what to look for
13:03:07 <Moebius> in BIOS SATA mode is AHCI and there's no way i can change that, oddly enough
13:05:42 <Plasmoduck> no bsd support
13:06:09 <mage> can someone recommend me something that is better than sanoid?
13:07:06 <Moebius> Plasmoduck, support for what?
13:07:47 <psydroid> hi Moebius
13:07:48 <Moebius> i mean what exactly is wrong about this ssd what freesbd can't support
13:07:50 <Moebius> hey psydroid
13:08:03 <Moebius> what=that*
13:08:09 <psydroid> maybe you could try grepping dmesg for that device
13:08:24 <Moebius> psydroid, by the way, in version 13.1 they fixed the reboots/hangups, no need to go to uefi mode anymore
13:08:29 <Moebius> that's good, but ssd issue is still there
13:08:45 <psydroid> to see if it is detected at all and if some error message is printed
13:09:02 <Moebius> psydroid, thought about it, but something tells me i won't see much... but let me try. Just tired of rebooting heh
13:14:03 <psydroid> Moebius, freebsd is picky with my hardware too
13:14:39 <psydroid> openbsd is much less picky and works on almost everything but has other downsides
13:15:06 <PredatorONormies> I had the opposite taste
13:15:14 <psydroid> it would be interesting if you could try openbsd even if briefly
13:15:20 <PredatorONormies> FreeBSD works where OpenBSD did not work (only 1 occasion)
13:44:23 <Moebius> psydroid, https://ibb.co/N2byfXw
13:44:24 <VimDiesel> Title: IMG-20220916-163607 — ImgBB
13:46:00 <Moebius> must be it but it's not very revealing
13:46:40 <Moebius> as you can see below goes the hdd on channel 1, which is fine
13:53:35 <psydroid> Moebius, this is freebsd, right?
13:53:41 <Moebius> yep
13:54:48 <psydroid> it doesn't even seem to detect the Lite-On drive
13:55:29 <Moebius> yes, that's what i'm saying.. it's perfectly invisible to it
13:56:53 <Moebius> this is the same Zbook btw.. i installed freebsd on this older HP laptop here that i'm using as a server now, no probs there, but my main laptop is still an issue. At least they fixed the UEFI/framebuffer bug or whatever it was, now it won't suddenly reboot in legacy mode
13:58:20 <Moebius> i'm just beginning to like how small and thrifty bsd is, so i thought i wanna give a whirl to the desktop version right here
13:59:45 <Moebius> but if i don't find a cure for this.. oh well, server alone it is
14:01:23 <psydroid> I guess all you can do for now is to make a bug report against FreeBSD 13.1, although I'm not sure if any developer will be able to get hold of this exact SSD
14:01:58 <psydroid> I also use most of my older hardware with BSD
14:04:06 <meena> does FreeBSD have an equivalent to Linux' /proc/cmdline? that is, passing parameters from the bootloader to the kernel
14:07:19 <psydroid> Moebius, if you could do one more thing it would be to test with the OpenBSD installer to see if it is detected at all
14:07:48 <psydroid> I wouldn't be surprised if it got detected there
14:10:41 <paulf> mena maybe a sysctl?
14:13:43 <meena> paulf: i don't know, that's why i'm asking
14:13:56 <meena> I don't usually boot
14:15:26 <meena> FreeBSD with something like GRUB, which allows that
14:15:59 <meena> I don't know if our bootloader allows that
14:17:00 <V_PauAmma_V> meena, it must have something. Otherwise "boot -s" in the loader wouldn't work, I think.
14:17:30 <otis> kenv kernel.options
14:17:42 <otis> kenv kernel_optons
14:29:30 <kevans> boot -s sets boot_single in kenv then boots
14:59:03 <Moebius> will do psydroid, thanks
14:59:03 <meena> kevans:  cool. so, how i pass parameters to the kernel? (without modifying loader.conf?)
15:14:37 <tsoome__> meena set name=value then enter boot
15:43:43 <meena> tsoome__: set that where? Will it work thru quemu?
15:46:53 <tsoome__> before kernel is loader;)
18:51:11 <saltd> (σ｀д′)σ
19:23:31 <jmnbtslsQE> i am trying to build qemu in poudriere without the GTK and X11 dependency , but when i check the build package file with pkg info -d, it still depends on them. i've removed the GTK and X11 options with the 'poudriere options' command, which i can check has taken effect, using 'poudriere options -s'. i feel like i've addressed this before but can't remember. curious if anyone knows about this
19:24:05 <jmnbtslsQE> i've just been re-building it by deleting the package and then building it again in poudriere
19:30:23 <polyex> i cant figure out how to mount a clone of a zfs zvol snapshot. anyone done that before know how?
19:30:41 <polyex> i did the clone but when i try to mount it says no such file or dir. but i can see it at the tpath
19:37:18 <jmnbtslsQE> polyex: are you sure you are selecting a partition to mount, not just the entire volume? (assuming you have your filesystems inside partitions there)
19:38:23 <polyex> no
19:39:39 <polyex> so i guess that's what i gotta do, mount a partition?
19:40:12 <jmnbtslsQE> if you normally mount a partition on that volume, that is what you would need to do on the clone, for example /dev/zvol/mypool/myvolumep1
19:40:21 <jmnbtslsQE> since it's a clone of the volume
19:41:16 <polyex> OK!! i tried myvolumep1 but itsaid no file found too. but myvolumep2 WORKED
19:42:08 <polyex> finally some progress omg ty
19:42:30 <jmnbtslsQE> sure, you can always look at your partitions with gpart show to see what it is
19:43:58 <polyex> "gpart show"?
19:45:43 <jmnbtslsQE> the command `gpart show` will show you some info about detected partitions
19:46:19 <jmnbtslsQE> and i guess the partitions detected on zfs snapshots, clones, zvols etc always appear there also
19:46:33 <jmnbtslsQE> (i mean for zvols only)
19:52:18 <polyex> if i wanna mount a zfs zvol (not a snapshot of it) do i gotta clone it and mount one of its partitions too? or can we mount those more directly?
19:53:59 <jmnbtslsQE> no, you can do it directly, from /dev/zvol, though i usually like to set a label on the partitions so that they appear in /dev/gpt
20:20:52 <polyex> back
20:22:43 <polyex> if i wanna mount a zfs zvol (not a snapshot of it) do i gotta clone it and mount one of its partitions too? or can we mount those more directly?
20:40:22 <jmnbtslsQE> 20:54 < jmnbtslsQE> no, you can do it directly, from /dev/zvol, though i usually like to set a label on the partitions so that they appear in /dev/gpt
20:41:27 <polyex> can mount it directly wow. to mount it directly that means i need its partitions to show which means volmode can't be dev because that hides partitions, right?
21:16:28 <polyex> how do i make fsck fix a zfs zvol snapshot clone partition that's marked dirty?
21:20:30 <polyex> sudo fsck and sudo fsck -p helped!
21:24:23 <MelMalik> ?_?
21:24:25 <MelMalik> INFO: Creating class file for Rsvg.Handle: /usr/ports/graphics/librsvg2-rust/work/librsvg-2.54.5/doc/Rsvg-2.0/class.Handle.html
21:24:27 <MelMalik> WARNING: Unable to process dot data: b"FT_S
21:24:32 <MelMalik> and then an avalanche of garbage
21:25:04 <MelMalik> i should probably put this on bugzilla
21:26:55 <polyex> can we run diff and have it show paths that differ, but not output their contents?
21:43:20 <polyex> i wanna start with a list then do individual file comparisons
21:58:14 <polyex> -q!
21:58:30 <polyex> YASSS
21:58:53 <polyex> I CAN DIFF 2 ZVOL SNAPSHOT CLONES OF A BHYVE VM ZVOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOLOLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL