warden: FreeBSD feels same with OpenZFS upstream I think, Linux is awkward but OpenZFS on FreeBSD is just fine

tux0r: AFAIK illumos ZFS is not OpenZFS (illumos.topicbox.com/groups/discuss/T627f77e1b29a7b53)

megaTherion: honestly, since FreeBSD migrated to OpenZFS I've experienced a few weird problems which never happened before. I wish FreeBSD would have been a bit more conservative approach on this essential system feature! :) This, among other little glitches in recent FreeBSD versions, made me approach illumos systems

illumos zfs is basically sitting in year 2018 and thats about it. some may call it conservative approach, I call it ignoring bugs and no development.

tsoome: I can add that OpenZFS pools are incompatible with illumos pools

with features like zstd, draid etc, yes, surely.

you can deliberately create them with those flags disabled and they will be compatible, modulo the NFS/POSIX ACLs stuff

yep.

in fact I remember that a few months ago I created a ZFS pool with FreeBSD 14.2 in a VM, then connected the VDEVs to an OmniOS guest and it imported the pool without problems (I also wrote something on it with both machines)

AFAIK only true compatibility issue is about encryption.

the ACLs thing can be pretty annoying though, don't mean to minimise it haha

right.

since the Linux style ACLs and the NFS ones aren't kept in sync, permissions can be suddenly quite different on illumos

and it's not easy to see that it's happened

warden: well I dont know, I cant talk about weird bugs. Never had any issues. All main work is going into OpenZFS right now, many companies investing in it like ixSystems.

megaTherion: well, actually I hit nothing about data corruption (even if a few bugs about that were found)... here is just an example which made me waste a lot of time since OpenZFS has been adopted by FreeBSD in its 13 branch: bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=274263

warden: sure, ok didn't know that bug was a thing. But in the end its FreeBSD specific, not the fault of OpenZFS

in the end now we benefit a lot from it that the upstream change has happened

This would be nice with OmniOS: liliputing.com/beelink-me-mini-is-a…cessor-and-support-for-up-to-6-ssds

Sadly my current hw limits me to 2 NVME, 1 SATA, + usb attached disks.

Hmmmph. 12GB max memory seems.... light.

not even upgradable

Yeah, the N200 can only hit 16GB.

u're kinda buying into a locked down system

Damned shame because a low-power-many-slot-two-NIC server would be amazing in some spaces.

yep, inter ark lists max ram as 16G for N200