01:13:28 <megaTherion> warden: FreeBSD feels same with OpenZFS upstream I think, Linux is awkward but OpenZFS on FreeBSD is just fine
07:48:08 <warden> tux0r: AFAIK illumos ZFS is not OpenZFS (https://illumos.topicbox.com/groups/discuss/T627f77e1b29a7b53)
07:52:25 <warden> megaTherion: honestly, since FreeBSD migrated to OpenZFS I've experienced a few weird problems which never happened before. I wish FreeBSD would have been a bit more conservative approach on this essential system feature! :)  This, among other little glitches in recent FreeBSD versions, made me approach illumos systems
07:54:37 <tsoome> illumos zfs is basically sitting in year 2018 and thats about it. some may call it conservative approach, I call it ignoring bugs and no development.
08:26:14 <vetal> tsoome: I can add that OpenZFS pools are incompatible with illumos pools
08:56:19 <tsoome> with features like zstd, draid etc, yes, surely.
09:14:17 <arekinath> you can deliberately create them with those flags disabled and they will be compatible, modulo the NFS/POSIX ACLs stuff
09:14:49 <tsoome> yep.
09:16:46 <warden> in fact I remember that a few months ago I created a ZFS pool with FreeBSD 14.2 in a VM, then connected the VDEVs to an OmniOS guest and it imported the pool without problems (I also wrote something on it with both machines)
09:18:02 <tsoome> AFAIK only true compatibility issue is about encryption.
09:18:54 <arekinath> the ACLs thing can be pretty annoying though, don't mean to minimise it haha
09:19:31 <tsoome> right.
09:19:43 <arekinath> since the Linux style ACLs and the NFS ones aren't kept in sync, permissions can be suddenly quite different on illumos
09:19:58 <arekinath> and it's not easy to see that it's happened
10:30:01 <megaTherion> warden: well I dont know, I cant talk about weird bugs. Never had any issues. All main work is going into OpenZFS right now, many companies investing in it like ixSystems.
10:35:29 <warden> megaTherion: well, actually I hit nothing about data corruption (even if a few bugs about that were found)... here is just an example which made me waste a lot of time since OpenZFS has been adopted by FreeBSD in its 13 branch: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=274263
10:47:48 <megaTherion> warden: sure, ok didn't know that bug was a thing. But in the end its FreeBSD specific, not the fault of OpenZFS
10:48:20 <megaTherion> in the end now we benefit a lot from it that the upstream change has happened
14:41:41 <szilard> This would be nice with OmniOS: https://liliputing.com/beelink-me-mini-is-a-nas-with-an-intel-n200-processor-and-support-for-up-to-6-ssds/
14:42:26 <szilard> Sadly my current hw limits me to 2 NVME, 1 SATA, + usb attached disks.
15:07:10 <danmcd> Hmmmph.  12GB max memory seems.... light.
15:07:46 <franstam> not even upgradable
15:07:49 <danmcd> Yeah, the N200 can only hit 16GB.
15:08:10 <franstam> u're kinda buying into a locked down system
15:08:11 <danmcd> Damned shame because a low-power-many-slot-two-NIC server would be amazing in some spaces.
15:10:36 <szilard> yep, inter ark lists max ram as 16G for N200